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Re: Dalton TL

 

Hi Trey

As to serial numbers each?Dalton model or lot number has its own set of sequential?serial numbers.? We found this to be true when identical serial numbers showed up in different?models.? As to? your TL, don't we wish it could talk the stories this old girl could tell?? The milling attachment looks to be mounted on a Lot 4 or 5 cross slide. Dalton did not offer?this type of setup so it's?the work of a creative wood worker. As to the tags, yes they are unique as I have never seen tags with the Dalton tool company on it.? If you were to remove the one on top of the larger tag it would probably show the Dalton Mfg Company of NY or possibly?Sound Beach Ct.? We have seen these tag overlays before but never with the wording?yours has. Just looked at the smaller of the two tags that show feed rates.? Neither?one of my TL lathes have this chart.? And I see that the overlay covers?the same tool company information as the overlay does.? It looks like the overlay was installed so they had a place to stamp something on the tag.? Again we have never seen tags like these before. As to the milling attachment I will look through the literature?I have to see if it is in fact a Dalton accessory. Thanks for the great post Trey as well as the great photos. Oh one other thing the TL had no extra change gears as all the feed rates you see on the chart can be gotten using only the gears under the end door.? ?

Oh and one other thing Trey the end door hinge was patented in 1922 and it's I think the last patent Hubert did for the lathe he built. There is one example of a Dalton 10 1/2 inch we think is a prototype that has the same style of end door that your TL has. We have found three examples of this larger lathe but all three are a bit different and all have had the word Dalton ground off any of the castings and there is no serial number.? It has been thought that the company was selling off stuff at the end of their business life to gain revenue.? Or prototypes just had all identification of the company removed and then sold. No literature?has ever been found covering these larger Dalton lathes. Pictures are of my two Dalton TL lathes with the black one being marketed as an electrical shop lathe as it has a very slow speed gear drive as well as having the same spindle nose as the Lot 3 4 and 5 lathe.? The one I have was in original finish and was covered in copper shavings attesting to its work turning commutators on motors and generators.
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 6:39?PM <trey.tull@...> wrote:
Good evening everyone.

My family recently purchased an old factory and in the old tool room was a Dalton TL. I am really fond of old machines and have restored a South Bend Heavy 10 and an old knee mill, so when I saw it I quickly snatched it up.? At some point over the years, bed extensions had been welded on and after reading everything I could find on Dalton lathes, I was pretty bummed b/c of not knowing the serial number.??



Wasting no time, I got to work tearing everything apart and cleaning it up and while I'm not close to getting everything "paint ready",? I think it's not too bad damaged.? The ways have some marks but that's to be expected after almost 100yrs.?




I knew I didn't want the bed extensions, so I cut them off and stuck the bed in my mill, with the hopes of peeling the metal back until I found the serial number.? Well luck would have it that after two nights, I found part of it.? They had welded part of it up and that is as clean as I can get it.? I think the serial number is 10103 which I would think it high b/c of the tags have the New York address, so I believe it would've had to be built between '22 and '25 but please let me know if you feel that is incorrect.? ?There was a smaller tag with a place for a model number on top of the cutting table tag.



Someone has made a steady rest for it over the years, I also found a milling attachment (It looks like it could be from Dalton but there are no markings on it....that I have found), the 3c collets that came with it and a precision level along with a few chucks, and various live and dead centers.? The collets all have Dalton stamped on them.? I have not found the collet draw bar yet, so I guess I'll have to make one of those if I can't find it.



I don't think the Master motor is the one that came with it but after doing some research, it is period correct and runs like a top.


My plan is to get it back to as close to new as I can (within reason) and to quote Henry Ford "you can have any color you want as long as its black", so black is what it will be.? I plan to bring everyone along as I go and if anyone has any pointers or information, please let me know.

Thanks
Trey

Dalton TL auto electrical shop lathe.jpg
Seattle Dalton TL with a little spit and polish.JPG

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