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Windows 11 fiasco --I think I am going to wait

 

Hello all...I purchased a Laptop Win11 computer as I was ready to transfer my DX labs and various other application for my shack computer. I spent a $1000 dollars for 32 gigs ram and 1TB SSD and found that the computer would not connect to the internet. The network adapter was not stable and would not allow connection for more than a minute....The computer slowed down to a crawl and would not turn off or restart. Then the BSOD would show up while restarting then the computer would reboot and connect for a minute and then lose all internet connectivity. My computer guys who are hams told me that it is systemic and wished me well.
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Conclusion I think at this time with the plethora of issues with this operating system I am going to pay the, I hope, yearly fee for the Win10 support. I worked two weeks for nothing. I pulled the battery out of the Lap top and put it with the other dead computers. I can only hope the MS stabilizes this software or junks it like Win 8, but flogging a dead horse is a waste of time and has seriously impacted time on the air.?
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I have also been told that a large number of hams are switching to Linux and abandoning MS.?
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In conclusion I enjoy running DX Labs and have done so for 12 years. It is my sincere hope that MS stabilizes this software so that it is able to run DX Labs as well as my other Ham peripherals on a stable operating platform.
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Thanks for the bandwith for my rant...I am out a grand and frustrated beyond belief.? BTW I am not feeling lucky.? ?Jim K5KND
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
Hello all...I purchased a Laptop Win11 computer as I was ready to transfer my DX labs and various other application for my shack computer. I spent a $1000 dollars for 32 gigs ram and 1TB SSD and found that the computer would not connect to the internet. The network adapter was not stable and would not allow connection for more than a minute....The computer slowed down to a crawl and would not turn off or restart. Then the BSOD would show up while restarting then the computer would reboot and connect for a minute and then lose all internet connectivity. My computer guys who are hams told me that it is systemic and wished me well.
+ I don't want to turn this group into a Windows 11 support forum, but I wouldn't give up so quickly. Have you contacted the company from which you purchased the laptop? If its networking capability is non-functional, I would demand a replacement or a refund.

? ? ? ?73,

? ? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ
 

Dave,

I got the impression that this sounded like a computer issue, not an OpSys?issue. However, like many others who are working with Win 10 and DXLab I am looking at upgrading computers and systems to avoid the consequences of losing support.? (I lost a lot of my log with the end of XP due to a virus.)? So I am looking at moving to Win11 with my?DXLab intact.? Can you advise what we need to do or look out for in making that transition?but keeping our DXLab programs working correctly?? I know there are folks out there who have made the move to Win11 and have not reported any issues with DXLab operations.? I admit that this has got me concerned.? I'm not a computer guy (no pun intended) and would?really appreciate your comments and advice.

73,

Guy K4CNF

On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 1:44?PM Dave AA6YQ via <aa6yq=[email protected]> wrote:
+ AA6YQ comments below
Hello all...I purchased a Laptop Win11 computer as I was ready to transfer my DX labs and various other application for my shack computer. I spent a $1000 dollars for 32 gigs ram and 1TB SSD and found that the computer would not connect to the internet. The network adapter was not stable and would not allow connection for more than a minute....The computer slowed down to a crawl and would not turn off or restart. Then the BSOD would show up while restarting then the computer would reboot and connect for a minute and then lose all internet connectivity. My computer guys who are hams told me that it is systemic and wished me well.
+ I don't want to turn this group into a Windows 11 support forum, but I wouldn't give up so quickly. Have you contacted the company from which you purchased the laptop? If its networking capability is non-functional, I would demand a replacement or a refund.

? ? ? ?73,

? ? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ
 

Guy,

Get a new computer with Windows 11 if at all possible. I tend
to favor the Ryzen 7 based "NUC" designs these days and have not
had any issues with Windows 11 (on Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 based
Windows 11 systems since Windows 11 was released). The Ryzen 7
systems can be found with 32 GB RAM and 500 GB/1TB SSD for
less than $400 ... often as little as $300 (Amazon Prime).

Once you have a new Windows 11 system and are comfortable that
is is performing properly, then you can move DXLab Suite to the
new system following the instructions here:
<>

If you follow those instructions to the letter, you should be
able to pick up where you left off on the new computer. If
anything should fail, you would still have the old system to
fall back on.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2025-03-12 3:03 PM, Guy Carlsen via groups.io wrote:
Dave,
I got the impression that this sounded like a computer issue, not an
OpSys issue. However, like many others who are working with Win 10 and
DXLab I am looking at upgrading computers and systems to avoid the
consequences of losing support. (I lost a lot of my log with the end of XP
due to a virus.) So I am looking at moving to Win11 with my DXLab intact.
Can you advise what we need to do or look out for in making that
transition but keeping our DXLab programs working correctly? I know there
are folks out there who have made the move to Win11 and have not reported
any issues with DXLab operations. I admit that this has got me concerned.
I'm not a computer guy (no pun intended) and would really appreciate your
comments and advice.
73,
Guy K4CNF
On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 1:44?PM Dave AA6YQ via groups.io <aa6yq=
[email protected]> wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below

Hello all...I purchased a Laptop Win11 computer as I was ready to transfer
my DX labs and various other application for my shack computer. I spent a
$1000 dollars for 32 gigs ram and 1TB SSD and found that the computer would
not connect to the internet. The network adapter was not stable and would
not allow connection for more than a minute....The computer slowed down to
a crawl and would not turn off or restart. Then the BSOD would show up
while restarting then the computer would reboot and connect for a minute
and then lose all internet connectivity. My computer guys who are hams told
me that it is systemic and wished me well.

+ I don't want to turn this group into a Windows 11 support forum, but I
wouldn't give up so quickly. Have you contacted the company from which you
purchased the laptop? If its networking capability is non-functional, I
would demand a replacement or a refund.

73,

Dave, AA6YQ
 

+ AA6YQ comments below
I got the impression that this sounded like a computer issue, not an OpSys?issue. However, like many others who are working with Win 10 and DXLab I am looking at upgrading computers and systems to avoid the consequences of losing support.? (I lost a lot of my log with the end of XP due to a virus.)? So I am looking at moving to Win11 with my?DXLab intact.? Can you advise what we need to do or look out for in making that transition?but keeping our DXLab programs working correctly?? I know there are folks out there who have made the move to Win11 and have not reported any issues with DXLab operations.? I admit that this has got me concerned.? I'm not a computer guy (no pun intended) and would?really appreciate your comments and advice.
+ I cannot provide advice without turning this into a Windows Support Forum, but I can share my experience:

1. I have no experience upgrading a PC from Windows 10 to Windows 11, as my Windows 11 systems were pre-installed on new hardware. Since I first began using Windows in 1985, I have always upgraded to a new version by copying all critical files to external storage media, erasing the contents of the C: drive, installing the new version of Windows, and then restoring all critical files from that external storage and re-installing my applications. I don't know if Microsoft's "Windows version upgrade" mechanism has improved to the point where it is trustworthy, and thus I defer to those here with this experience. Step-by-step instructions for DXLab applications are here:

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/MovingBetweenPCs

2. Windows 11 version 23H2 is stable. I have not encountered problems when running Adobe, DXLab, Google, or Microsoft applications on this version.
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3. I have Windows 11 configured to inform me when a new Windows Update is available, but to not automatically download and install it; Perplexity can provide step-by-step instructions for doing this.

4. When I am informed that a new Windows Update is available, I direct Perplexity to report any adverse side effects that have been reported; until there are no relevant problems with an update, I hold off.

5. None of the Security Intelligence Updates for Microsoft Defender Antivirus that I have applied have caused trouble.

Perplexity is a free AI search engine that I have come to rely on for Windows management, and many other subjects, from home repairs to cosmology;? it cites its sources, which makes it easy to check the accuracy of its response and obtain additional information. I have no affiliation with the company.

? ? ? 73,

? ? ? ? ? ? Dave, AA6YQ
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On 13/03/2025 6:42 am, Dave AA6YQ via groups.io wrote:
I have always upgraded to a new version by copying all critical files to external storage media, erasing the contents of the C: drive, installing the new version of Windows, and then restoring all critical files from that external storage and re-installing my applications.

That's my advice as well.

When you get to the point of needing to upgrade Windows it typically is on an old installation which will be carrying years of accumulated garbage and file/data fragmentation (like the Windows Registry). A disk format and install of the new OS is guaranteed to not be bringing over problems compared to doing an upgrade. Without needing an OS upgrade, an old problematic Windows installation will usually benefit from a disk format and reinstall of OS and applications.

de Laurie VK3AMA
(JTAlert author)

 

Thanks for the reply Dave......yeah not trying to do a support forum...no refund offered by the company strict policy....In any event I will buy another computer but not now. The Win 11 platform is not stable even when the guys have working computers! I read this forum and use it daily. I think I will stay with Win 10 and pay the fee while MS figures out how to write decent operating system software.
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My apologies and this will be my last post re this matter....Jim K5KND
 

Thanks Joe, after following the group for a while I trust your advice and will consider your suggestion re: Ryzen.??
Sounds like what I need and have in mind.? I'm not in a hurry but need to get this done in the next few months.??
I have a laptop that is W11 but my wife has commandeered?it for her use.? The PC I use now was custom?built for me a few??
years ago but the business was a victim of Covid.? I appreciate your help and am open to further suggestions as well.

73,

Guy K4CNF?

On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 3:27?PM Joe Subich, W4TV via <lists=[email protected]> wrote:

Guy,

Get a new computer with Windows 11 if at all possible.? I tend
to favor the Ryzen 7 based "NUC" designs these days and have not
had any issues with Windows 11 (on Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 based
Windows 11 systems since Windows 11 was released).? The Ryzen 7
systems can be found with 32 GB RAM and 500 GB/1TB SSD for
less than $400 ... often as little as $300 (Amazon Prime).

Once you have a new Windows 11 system and are comfortable that
is is performing properly, then you can move DXLab Suite to the
new system following the instructions here:
? <>

If you follow those instructions to the letter, you should be
able to pick up where you left off on the new computer.? If
anything should fail, you would still have the old system to
fall back on.

73,

? ? ... Joe, W4TV


On 2025-03-12 3:03 PM, Guy Carlsen via wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I got the impression that this sounded like a computer issue, not an
> OpSys issue. However, like many others who are working with Win 10 and
> DXLab I am looking at upgrading computers and systems to avoid the
> consequences of losing support.? (I lost a lot of my log with the end of XP
> due to a virus.)? So I am looking at moving to Win11 with my DXLab intact.
> Can you advise what we need to do or look out for in making that
> transition but keeping our DXLab programs working correctly?? I know there
> are folks out there who have made the move to Win11 and have not reported
> any issues with DXLab operations.? I admit that this has got me concerned.
> I'm not a computer guy (no pun intended) and would really appreciate your
> comments and advice.
>
> 73,
>
> Guy K4CNF
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 1:44?PM Dave AA6YQ via <aa6yq=
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> + AA6YQ comments below
>>
>> Hello all...I purchased a Laptop Win11 computer as I was ready to transfer
>> my DX labs and various other application for my shack computer. I spent a
>> $1000 dollars for 32 gigs ram and 1TB SSD and found that the computer would
>> not connect to the internet. The network adapter was not stable and would
>> not allow connection for more than a minute....The computer slowed down to
>> a crawl and would not turn off or restart. Then the BSOD would show up
>> while restarting then the computer would reboot and connect for a minute
>> and then lose all internet connectivity. My computer guys who are hams told
>> me that it is systemic and wished me well.
>>
>> + I don't want to turn this group into a Windows 11 support forum, but I
>> wouldn't give up so quickly. Have you contacted the company from which you
>> purchased the laptop? If its networking capability is non-functional, I
>> would demand a replacement or a refund.
>>
>>? ? ? ? ?73,
>>
>>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ
>>
 

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On 13/03/2025 7:54 am, james aprile K5KND via groups.io wrote:
no refund offered by the company strict policy

Sounds like the new computer was not so new. A refurbished unit perhaps?

de Laurie VK3AMA

 

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I have been using Windows 11 since it came out and it is a solid if not more so than 10.? I have no idea what people do to their computers that give them so much issue.? Never upgrade always start fresh and reload.

W0MU

On 3/12/2025 2:54 PM, james aprile K5KND via groups.io wrote:

Thanks for the reply Dave......yeah not trying to do a support forum...no refund offered by the company strict policy....In any event I will buy another computer but not now. The Win 11 platform is not stable even when the guys have working computers! I read this forum and use it daily. I think I will stay with Win 10 and pay the fee while MS figures out how to write decent operating system software.
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My apologies and this will be my last post re this matter....Jim K5KND
 

TNX

Guy K4CNF

On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 6:10?PM W0MU via <w0mu=[email protected]> wrote:

I have been using Windows 11 since it came out and it is a solid if not more so than 10.? I have no idea what people do to their computers that give them so much issue.? Never upgrade always start fresh and reload.

W0MU

On 3/12/2025 2:54 PM, james aprile K5KND via wrote:
Thanks for the reply Dave......yeah not trying to do a support forum...no refund offered by the company strict policy....In any event I will buy another computer but not now. The Win 11 platform is not stable even when the guys have working computers! I read this forum and use it daily. I think I will stay with Win 10 and pay the fee while MS figures out how to write decent operating system software.
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My apologies and this will be my last post re this matter....Jim K5KND
 

Most people don't understand that MS expects each hardware and software vendor to test each new release of Windows on their product(s)? Some vendors do a good job and some do not which is why some people have very few issues with Windows updates and some have more problems. I built and managed the Windows test lab at IBM for 8 years during Windows NT and Windows XP.?
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Bob AF9W
DXLab user since 2011
 

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One data point - I updated from W10 to W11 about a year ago without issue here.? No reinstall or other complications encountered with any of the ham or other apps on the machine.

73/jeff/ac0c
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
On 3/12/2025 2:42 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote:

+ AA6YQ comments below
I got the impression that this sounded like a computer issue, not an OpSys?issue. However, like many others who are working with Win 10 and DXLab I am looking at upgrading computers and systems to avoid the consequences of losing support.? (I lost a lot of my log with the end of XP due to a virus.)? So I am looking at moving to Win11 with my?DXLab intact.? Can you advise what we need to do or look out for in making that transition?but keeping our DXLab programs working correctly?? I know there are folks out there who have made the move to Win11 and have not reported any issues with DXLab operations.? I admit that this has got me concerned.? I'm not a computer guy (no pun intended) and would?really appreciate your comments and advice.
+ I cannot provide advice without turning this into a Windows Support Forum, but I can share my experience:

1. I have no experience upgrading a PC from Windows 10 to Windows 11, as my Windows 11 systems were pre-installed on new hardware. Since I first began using Windows in 1985, I have always upgraded to a new version by copying all critical files to external storage media, erasing the contents of the C: drive, installing the new version of Windows, and then restoring all critical files from that external storage and re-installing my applications. I don't know if Microsoft's "Windows version upgrade" mechanism has improved to the point where it is trustworthy, and thus I defer to those here with this experience. Step-by-step instructions for DXLab applications are here:



2. Windows 11 version 23H2 is stable. I have not encountered problems when running Adobe, DXLab, Google, or Microsoft applications on this version.
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3. I have Windows 11 configured to inform me when a new Windows Update is available, but to not automatically download and install it; Perplexity can provide step-by-step instructions for doing this.

4. When I am informed that a new Windows Update is available, I direct Perplexity to report any adverse side effects that have been reported; until there are no relevant problems with an update, I hold off.

5. None of the Security Intelligence Updates for Microsoft Defender Antivirus that I have applied have caused trouble.

Perplexity is a free AI search engine that I have come to rely on for Windows management, and many other subjects, from home repairs to cosmology;? it cites its sources, which makes it easy to check the accuracy of its response and obtain additional information. I have no affiliation with the company.

? ? ? 73,

? ? ? ? ? ? Dave, AA6YQ
?


? ??





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I think the issue here is not Windows 11 per se, but the latest major release, 24H2, is known to be buggy on some hardware. It is advised to not upgrade to 24H2, stay on 23H2. There is an app , InControl that will effectively block the 24H2 update from being downloaded and installed. When MS fixes the issues, you run InControl again and lift the block.
Gary
W9TD
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Thank you all.? I think that I have been over-thinking this change.? I have to upgrade my computer due to age and capability and will use the advice here to do so.? I will be careful but will upgrade to Win11 with the new PC.??

73,

Guy K4CNF

On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 9:47?AM Gary W9TD via <w9td=[email protected]> wrote:
I think the issue here is not Windows 11 per se, but the latest major release, 24H2, is known to be buggy on some hardware. It is advised to not upgrade to 24H2, stay on 23H2. There is an app , InControl that will effectively block the 24H2 update from being downloaded and installed. When MS fixes the issues, you run InControl again and lift the block.
Gary
W9TD
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gary W9TD via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2025 8:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Windows 11 fiasco --I think I am going to wait

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I think the issue here is not Windows 11 per se, but the latest major release, 24H2, is known to be buggy on some hardware. It is advised to not upgrade to 24H2, stay on 23H2. There is an app , InControl that will effectively block the 24H2 update from being downloaded and installed. When MS fixes the issues, you run InControl again and lift the block.

Gary

W9TD

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?You are correct Laurie.....an expensive lesson learned. Like I said I am out a grand.

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