I've had one notice of a failed attempt to upload to LotW.? I'm thinking that I need to manually upload later.? I believe that this notice relates to a single QSO upload from DXLabs.? I just don't?know which one failed. Is there a DXLab way to find it???
I have (accidentally) done my first Sync All.? It shows I have work to do, grin. _______________ TQSL error message:
TQSL Version 2.7.5 [v2.7.5]
Signing using Callsign NU6T, DXCC Entity UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Attempting to upload one QSO
C:\DXLab\DXKeeper\LotWUpload.ADI: Unable to connect to the upload site.
Please try uploading the Log later.
Final Status: LoTW Connection Failed(11) ________________
Thank You
Rich, NU6T --
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Yes, and PA7RA started that thread.? ?I responded to it then.? ?(#192611).? But, been living with it for five years.? ? ?
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I am going to try a smaller window instead of the full screen
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Don?
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Good morning,
I have a problem with Pathfinder here.
Pathfinder sometimes freezes.
Then the only solution is CRTL-ALT-Delete and then force shutdown.
and restart again then work pathfinder again.
Sometimes it is very fast, other times it takes a little longer.
are there more who recognize this problem?
And perhaps already have a solution?
I work with the complete DXLSuite
thanks for the response.
greeting
Rien, PA7RA Stay Safe!
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+ AA6YQ comments below
Two other users reported the same problem before (N6WT and PA7RA).? ? Maybe someone new will appear.? ?
+ The last report here of Pathfinder freezing came from Kent N6WT more than 5 years ago: /g/DXLab/message/190433? ? ?73, ? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ
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Re: Verified vs Confirmed on LoTW
ahh, I thought there had to be more than just card vs lotw credit.....
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------ Original Message ------ From "Dave AA6YQ" <aa6yq@...> To DXLab@groups.io Date 3/30/2025 1:24:27 PM Subject Re: [DXLab] Verified vs Confirmed on LoTW Where on the dxcc record does it state whether its card or lotw, and why does it matter?
+ The report was not solely "card confirmation vs LOTW confirmation". The report was "DXCC credit granted" vs "No DXCC credit granted".
Dave
On Mar 30, 2025, at 11:53?AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
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On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
> give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and
> verified, and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and
> entity has been verified, but hasnt?
The report that started this thread was that [some] QSOs confirmed by
LotW were being granted credit (verified) as *card* QSOs.
Since the current "connection" between LotW and the DXCC application
is by sneakernet, I would postulate that the "glitch" is human error
- that is the data entry person is inadvertently indicating that the
QSOs (credits) being entered are cards rather than LotW confirmations.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified, and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been verified, but hasnt? last I looked ( a few weeks ago) my LOTW records, dxcc records, and my dxkeeper records all matched, I can look again, if I know what I am looking for.
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Two other users reported the same problem before (N6WT and PA7RA).? ? Maybe someone new will appear.? ??
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No Biggie
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Don
WB6BEE
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+ AA6YQ comments below
There's not enough hours, days or years left in my lifetime to try to get anything from Microsoft.?
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At least when I posted this a few years ago, I was not the only one experiencing the issue.? ? If I am not the only person with the issue, it reduces the chance that it is my computer set up (which is the same computer for the past ten years or so)
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I checked the Config in PF and it is set at 11.? ?
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I cannot make this happen, I have tried.? It is purely random.? ?When it is locked up, I have tried various attempts at resurrection before termination.? ?You can hover the mouse over the PF window and the Window wakes up.? But the mouse will not do anything.? ? No responses to clicks on anything on the window.? If you move the mouse to another window, the new window activates and the mouse works fine.? ?PF is on its own monitor and consumes the entire monitor screen.? I have changed monitors, changed video drivers and no difference noted.? The only thing that I think may be a common denominator is that it seems to occur when the radio is just sitting on and not being used for some extended period.? ?But not every time as I often leave the radio on during the day while I am doing other stuff, when I return most times it is normal.? ?
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Because of the random nature of the issue, I am hesitant to do the "safe mode" test I it could set there for hours and nothing would happen.? ?This may occur every two or three days of routinely operating.? ?
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Is there something that I can change and run an extended test while normally operating?
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+ You are the only one reporting this behavior. If the failure is intermittent, that greatly increases the likelihood of it being a problem specific to your system. + Pathfinder is Internet Explorer with some buttons provided to accelerate searches for QSL information. If the misbehavior you are reporting is the result of a software defect, that defect lies in Internet Explorer. ? ? ? ? ? ? 73, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ
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There's not enough hours, days or years left in my lifetime to try to get anything from Microsoft.?
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At least when I posted this a few years ago, I was not the only one experiencing the issue.? ? If I am not the only person with the issue, it reduces the chance that it is my computer set up (which is the same computer for the past ten years or so)
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I checked the Config in PF and it is set at 11.? ?
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I cannot make this happen, I have tried.? It is purely random.? ?When it is locked up, I have tried various attempts at resurrection before termination.? ?You can hover the mouse over the PF window and the Window wakes up.? But the mouse will not do anything.? ? No responses to clicks on anything on the window.? If you move the mouse to another window, the new window activates and the mouse works fine.? ?PF is on its own monitor and consumes the entire monitor screen.? I have changed monitors, changed video drivers and no difference noted.? The only thing that I think may be a common denominator is that it seems to occur when the radio is just sitting on and not being used for some extended period.? ?But not every time as I often leave the radio on during the day while I am doing other stuff, when I return most times it is normal.? ?
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Because of the random nature of the issue, I am hesitant to do the "safe mode" test I it could set there for hours and nothing would happen.? ?This may occur every two or three days of routinely operating.? ?
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Is there something that I can change and run an extended test while normally operating?
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Don
WB6BEE
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Re: Verified vs Confirmed on LoTW
+ AA6YQ comments below
you cant submit a hybrid (cards+lotw) application any more?
+ The ARRL stopped accepting hybrid applications many years ago.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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+ AA6YQ comments below
Pathfinder freezing has continued to be a problem since this was first posted years ago. Since then I have changed monitors, video drivers, versions of Pathfinder, and it still locks up. When it does, you can activate the window with a mouse click, but it is totally unresponsive to any mouse clicks beyond that. You have to terminate via Launcher (Control Click) or thought Task Manager.
When it restarts, all if hunky Dorey until the next ice age appears.
+ Reboot Windows into "Safe Mode with Networking" and then start Pathfinder with no other applications running. Open the Configuration window and make sure the "Internet Explorer Emulation" at the bottom shows version 11; if not, click the "Update Emulation" button.
+ Does Pathfinder still freeze?
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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Re: Verified vs Confirmed on LoTW
Where on the dxcc record does it state whether its card or lotw, and why does it matter?
+ The report was not solely "card confirmation vs LOTW confirmation". The report was "DXCC credit granted" vs "No DXCC credit granted".
Dave
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On Mar 30, 2025, at 11:53?AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
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On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and
verified, and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and
entity has been verified, but hasnt? The report that started this thread was that [some] QSOs confirmed by
LotW were being granted credit (verified) as *card* QSOs.
Since the current "connection" between LotW and the DXCC application
is by sneakernet, I would postulate that the "glitch" is human error
- that is the data entry person is inadvertently indicating that the
QSOs (credits) being entered are cards rather than LotW confirmations.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified, and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been verified, but hasnt? last I looked ( a few weeks ago) my LOTW records, dxcc records, and my dxkeeper records all matched, I can look again, if I know what I am looking for.
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DXCC entities verified by cards only have the information from the card that applies to DXCC, so if that particular card is also good for WAZ or VUCC you would have to resubmit it for the other award. LOTW confirmations/verifications contain that extra info so you can more easily get credit for other awards.
73, Chuck KM3V
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you cant submit a hybrid (cards+lotw) application any more?
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------ Original Message ------ From "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@...> To DXLab@groups.io Date 3/30/2025 12:32:08 PM Subject Re: [DXLab] Verified vs Confirmed on LoTW
On 2025-03-30 12:21 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
Where on the dxcc record does it state whether its card or lotw, and
why does it matter? Credits are reported differently in LotW Account credit status depending
on whether they are LotW credits or QSL cards. Applications can only be
made using all cards or all LotW credits. DXKeeper tracks credits by
source (card or LotW) and prepares submissions differently based on the
source.
Record keeping is made much more difficult if LotW reports the wrong
source of credit (when it has kept the two separate for 20 years).
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 2025-03-30 12:21 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
Where on the dxcc record does it state whether its card or lotw, and why does it matter?
On Mar 30, 2025, at 11:53?AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
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On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified,
and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been
verified, but hasnt? The report that started this thread was that [some] QSOs confirmed by
LotW were being granted credit (verified) as *card* QSOs.
Since the current "connection" between LotW and the DXCC application
is by sneakernet, I would postulate that the "glitch" is human error
- that is the data entry person is inadvertently indicating that the
QSOs (credits) being entered are cards rather than LotW confirmations.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified, and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been verified, but hasnt? last I looked ( a few weeks ago) my LOTW records, dxcc records, and my dxkeeper records all matched, I can look again, if I know what I am looking for.
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Sounds like an issue with the Microsoft supplied Internet Explorer DLLs.
Engage with Microsoft ...
73,
... Joe, W4TV
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On 2025-03-30 12:09 PM, wb6bee via groups.io wrote: Pathfinder freezing has continued to be a problem since this was first posted years ago.? Since then I have changed monitors, video drivers, versions of Pathfinder, and it still locks up.? ?When it does, you can activate the window with a mouse click, but it is totally unresponsive to any mouse clicks beyond that.? ?You have to terminate via Launcher (Control Click) or thought Task Manager.
When it restarts, all if hunky Dorey until the next ice age appears.
Don
WB6BEE
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Re: Verified vs Confirmed on LoTW
On 2025-03-30 12:21 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote: Where on the dxcc record does it state whether its card or lotw, and why does it matter? Credits are reported differently in LotW Account credit status depending on whether they are LotW credits or QSL cards. Applications can only be made using all cards or all LotW credits. DXKeeper tracks credits by source (card or LotW) and prepares submissions differently based on the source. Record keeping is made much more difficult if LotW reports the wrong source of credit (when it has kept the two separate for 20 years). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2025-03-30 12:21 PM, Jamie WW3S wrote: Where on the dxcc record does it state whether its card or lotw, and why does it matter?
On Mar 30, 2025, at 11:53?AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
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On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified,
and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been
verified, but hasnt? The report that started this thread was that [some] QSOs confirmed by
LotW were being granted credit (verified) as *card* QSOs.
Since the current "connection" between LotW and the DXCC application
is by sneakernet, I would postulate that the "glitch" is human error
- that is the data entry person is inadvertently indicating that the
QSOs (credits) being entered are cards rather than LotW confirmations.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified, and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been verified, but hasnt? last I looked ( a few weeks ago) my LOTW records, dxcc records, and my dxkeeper records all matched, I can look again, if I know what I am looking for.
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Where on the dxcc record does it state whether its card or lotw, and why does it matter?
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On Mar 30, 2025, at 11:53?AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
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On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified,
and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been
verified, but hasnt? The report that started this thread was that [some] QSOs confirmed by
LotW were being granted credit (verified) as *card* QSOs.
Since the current "connection" between LotW and the DXCC application
is by sneakernet, I would postulate that the "glitch" is human error
- that is the data entry person is inadvertently indicating that the
QSOs (credits) being entered are cards rather than LotW confirmations.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote:
give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified, and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been verified, but hasnt? last I looked ( a few weeks ago) my LOTW records, dxcc records, and my dxkeeper records all matched, I can look again, if I know what I am looking for.
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Pathfinder freezing has continued to be a problem since this was first posted years ago.? Since then I have changed monitors, video drivers, versions of Pathfinder, and it still locks up.? ?When it does, you can activate the window with a mouse click, but it is totally unresponsive to any mouse clicks beyond that.? ?You have to terminate via Launcher (Control Click) or thought Task Manager.? ?
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When it restarts, all if hunky Dorey until the next ice age appears.
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Don
WB6BEE
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Re: Verified vs Confirmed on LoTW
On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote: give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified,
and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been
verified, but hasnt? The report that started this thread was that [some] QSOs confirmed by LotW were being granted credit (verified) as *card* QSOs. Since the current "connection" between LotW and the DXCC application is by sneakernet, I would postulate that the "glitch" is human error - that is the data entry person is inadvertently indicating that the QSOs (credits) being entered are cards rather than LotW confirmations. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2025-03-30 11:25 AM, Jamie WW3S wrote: give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified, and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been verified, but hasnt? last I looked ( a few weeks ago) my LOTW records, dxcc records, and my dxkeeper records all matched, I can look again, if I know what I am looking for.
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Re: Verified vs Confirmed on LoTW
+ AA6YQ comments below
give me an example?
+ See the first message in this thread, posted by Bj?rn SM7IUN.
A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified, and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been verified, but hasnt? last I looked ( a few weeks ago) my LOTW records, dxcc records, and my dxkeeper records all matched, I can look again, if I know what I am looking for.
+ The defective behavior occurs with some QSOs, but not all. As I posted earlier in this thread, Jon Bloom -- the original LoTW developer who is again working on LOTW -- has acknowledged that this defective behavior has begun happening, but won't explain why. All he will say is "contact the LoTW Help Desk to get it corrected".
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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Re: Verified vs Confirmed on LoTW
+ AA6YQ comments below
Weeks ago I made an application to lotw for new credits, less than 40.
After a few more weeks, the application was completed, all good.
Then several days later over 30 previously credited QSOs showed up as pending.
When I looked up these now pending credit QSO, they were also shown as granted!
After several exchanges with the help desk, it was fixed. h]the issue was delclered to b
The issue was said to be a "software glitch"
+ A lame attempt to avoid acknowledging a defect in the software or process - as if "glitches" are everyday occurrences that are to be expected and tolerated when using computers. Nothing could be further from the truth!
+ All developers make mistakes. Strong developers test assiduously, and find most of their mistakes before making a public release. When mistakes do reach a public release, they should be acknowledged for what they are - defects - and promptly corrected.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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give me an example? A qso has been confirmed , submitted and verified, and now doesnt show, or the opposite, LOTW thinks and entity has been verified, but hasnt? last I looked ( a few weeks ago) my LOTW records, dxcc records, and my dxkeeper records all matched, I can look again, if I know what I am looking for.
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------ Original Message ------ From "Dave AA6YQ" <aa6yq@...> To DXLab@groups.io Date 3/30/2025 11:19:09 AM Subject Re: [DXLab] Verified vs Confirmed on LoTW The problem reported in this thread is not "user confusion over terminology", as implied by the post below. The problem is that LoTW has begun misreporting "DXCC Credit" status for some QSOs confirmed via LoTW and submitted for DXCC credit.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
Not so complicated:
Confirmed QSOs
* A confirmed QSO means that both parties (you and the other operator) have uploaded matching logs to LoTW.
* The system checks the date, time, frequency, and mode, and if they match within certain tolerances, it confirms the QSO.
* This is what counts toward award credit (e.g., DXCC, WAS, VUCC).
So:
Confirmed = Matched and valid in LoTW = Counts for awards.
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? Verified QSOs
* A verified QSO is typically one that has already been used for award credit, such as a confirmed QSO you've applied toward your DXCC or WAS certificate.
* It’s like a step beyond "confirmed" — it's confirmed and officially credited in your award application.
So:
Verified = Confirmed + Used for award credit (and accepted).
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