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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
mstreet
开云体育>> (Martha, it was
during that time that I met Joe and if my memory serves me, I think he was
working and living there)<<
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Hi
Ossie:
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Yes, from what I understand
he spent three years there.
>>I used all my overtime pay and extra money to take the bus up there, infact I even applied for a position to work and live there...<< ?
I never did make it there.
But for me it was on opposite sides of the continent. But I did manage to see
Ken and Gloria in 1983, I think it was, when they came here to Vancouver,
Canada, to do a workshop together. And also I managed to buy all of their books
and tapes. And any one else's who wrote about the Course.
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I don't know about you, but
sometimes I have found myself resisting what Ken teaches, just like I resist
what the Course teaches too. I want a softer, easier more positive type of
approach to the Course. (lol) Not to have to look at what is going on in my
mind, but just to have a nicer dream in the world. Even though it never did
bring me any lasting happiness or peace. So now I feel ready to be led out of
the dream. :-) At least that is easy to say, not always easy to
do.
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Thanks Sheila for you post
that just came in. I love the poster idea...SHIFT happens.
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~ Martha
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Re: Shift experiences
Sheila Bush
Ossie wrote:
There have been other times, when there have been a shift (has not happened often) but when it does, I can sense that a lesson of forgivness was learned and I was ready to accept it. So someone is doing their homework :-) I just had to share with this wonderful group that I'm on another spiritual enlightenment group list, and they recently shared that they were creating a bumper sticker (simiilar to one of my faves). Are you ready? It reads: SHIFT happens! Gotta love it... Sheila Namast: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one. From: BBFBBN@... Reply-To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... Subject: Re: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Reincarnation Instant Breakfast Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:09:16 EDT Hello garyrrenard@..., In reference to your comment: I'd like to hear any experiences you may have had in this area, whether in remembering past lives or what your thoughts are on this subject. Love and peace, Gary. I get the deja vu experiences. Sometimes they are so strong ... Now as a Course student, however, I just see it now as a bleeding ... in the illusion of time. When al the possbilties of that moment kind of overlap each other ... The message I get is that I have done this before .. maybe this time I will get it right There have been other times, when there have been a shift (has not happened often) but when it does, I can sense that a lesson of forgivness was learned and I was ready to accept it. So someone is doing their homework :-) Peace Ossie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. |
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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
Hello mastreet@...,
In reference to your comment: è I don't know about you, but sometimes I have found è myself resisting what Ken teaches, just like I resist è what the Course teaches too. I want a softer, easier è more positive type of approach to the Course. (lol) Ken is just on another level ... half the time I don't understand anything he is saying .... but there is a part of my mind that does and that is what I watch.? I just sit there and listen, [trying not to fall asleep], and then after a while watch the fireworks for my ego goes crazy.? Then there is a breakthrough but it seems to be happening to someone else .. and I am watching.? That is why staying for a week in going to be very interesting.? I went to the Foundation a couple of months after my son passed away and briefly spoke to Ken, and the one thing I walked away with is that I could not rush through this grief process, but he said I would know when I was making more of it than it really is ... and I understood what he meant.? I am at that point now (almost three years later) ... I see the pay off of having a son who has passed away ... for it makes me very special, oh boy the attention I can get ... but I don't want it any more ... After reading Gary's book it was clear I was ready to forgive ... so that is what I am working on now.? All those painful memories ... there are a lot of them ... just keep forgiving and remembering not to do it alone.? :-) So when I go to Atlanta and attend the classes, I will constantly forgive Ken, even though my real forgiveness lessons revolve around Gloria.. something about her irks me? LOL But I can laugh about it because I understand that is another form of resistance.? I am clear that on the level of the Mind, I already know the information? ... it is just blocked and the only thing that can unblock it is forgiveness I have tried other Course teachers and no one as of yet gets through like Ken does (with the exception of Joe's Listserv).? Ken does not hold punches ... he does not change the Course in any way? ... he is consistent and that is what my ego cannot deal with. Ken and the Course speaks on a an intellectual level and I have had a difficult time comprending the Course on that level even though listening to him is stimulating at the same time.? The Course is like listening to music ... I could not tell you really anything really about the music other that I love it ... enjoy listening for it speaks to my spirit. That is why I appreciate Gary's Book ... because the language that is spoken there is what I can clearly understand.? I don't have to figure out whether this is a level one or level two, am I making this real or dragging the HS down here to fix things, and at the same time I have not gotten the feeling that he is changing what the Course is saying, and that is the trap I see other teacher fall into.? Making this world or form real. I know one day, I am going to read the Course, or listen or Ken or Joe and everything shared will be clear and understandable (I am looking forward to that and I have a feeling it will happen in this lifetime) ...? but until then I still have a lot of undoing ... a lot of forgiveness lessons to do. Peace Ossie PS:? And the beauty of this Course is that when I work it ... my life is easier.? :-) |
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Re: Shift experiences
Hello namastebush@...,
In reference to your comment: è It reads:?? SHIFT happens!? Gotta love it... I LOVE IT!!! ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Shift experiences Date: 6/13/2003 9:49:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time From: namastebush@... Reply-to: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... Sent from the Internet (Details) Ossie wrote: There have been other times, when there have been a shift (has not happened often) but when it does, I can sense that a lesson of forgivness was learned and I was ready to accept it.? So someone is doing their homework?? :-) I just had to share with this wonderful group that I'm on another spiritual enlightenment group list, and they recently shared that they were creating a bumper sticker (simiilar to one of my faves). Are you ready? It reads:?? SHIFT happens! Gotta love it... Sheila Namasté: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one. From: BBFBBN@... Reply-To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... Subject: Re: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Reincarnation Instant Breakfast Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:09:16 EDT Hello garyrrenard@..., In reference to your comment: è? I'd like to? hear any experiences you may have had in è this area, whether in? remembering past lives or what è your thoughts are on this subject.? Love and peace, è Gary. I get the deja vu experiences.? Sometimes they are so strong ... Now as a Course student, however, I just see it now as a bleeding ... in the illusion of time.? When al the possbilties of that moment kind of overlap each other ... The message I get is that I have done this before .. maybe this time I will get it right There have been other times, when there have been a shift (has not happened often) but when it does, I can sense that a lesson of forgivness was learned and I was ready to accept it.? So someone is doing their homework?? :-) Peace Ossie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.? http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/UlWolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Disappearance_of_the_Universe-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
Hello mastreet@...,
In reference to your comment: è Ken just sort of glows. And the two of them just beam è at one another also.? They stayed in the same hotel è that we did. Two doors down from us, so we were able è to talk to Ken privately there, one day in front of the è elevator. He is one of the most peaceful and loving è presence's that I have ever met.? Any way, I hope you è too, enjoy the workshop. I am laughing because you describe them so accurately.? I met them in 1989-90 and for almost two years it seems liked I lived at the Foundation in Roscoe.? I remember the first trip out there ... and for me that was an adventure, going on a bus for 3 hours (and I suffer from motion sickness) but I found a way.? Got there late and walked into the room and all I could see for the moment were all these white middle aged men and I said "oh my god, what have I gotten myself into now ... what am I doing here?" LOL (Something? some of us Black folks do ... some of us are very conscious of being the minority in situations, which is why I enjoyed being at Unity because there was such a mix of people)? LOL? But Ken stopped talking and said "Hello" and when I looked at him it was like I had known him all my life .. and I knew I was in the right place.? (Martha, it was during that time that I met Joe and if my memory serves me, I think he was working and living there) I used all my overtime pay and extra money to take the bus up there, infact I even applied for a position to work and live there .. but it not to be, I was supposed to move to Denver, CO. But it will be good to see them in action again, for it has been years. Thanks Martha |
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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
Hello mastreet@...,
In reference to your comment: è They stayed in the same hotel that we did. Two doors è down from us, so we were able to talk to Ken privately è there, one day in front of the elevator. He is one of the è most peaceful and loving presence's that I have ever è met.? Any way, I hope you too, enjoy the workshop. è Love Martha :-) ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Re: One of many forgiveness lessons Date: 6/13/2003 1:42:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time From: mastreet@... Reply-to: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... Sent from the Internet (Details) >>That was the first time I actually got to see Judith in person.<< ? Me too.? >>I am also attending a workshop and seminar in Atlanta that Ken and Gloria will be conducting at the end of this month.?? Hmmm a whole week ...ooooh ... this is going to be interesting.? LOL << Hi Ossie: ? I attended one they gave in Seattle last year. I liked it that they are quite open to answering so many questions from the audience. I noticed that Gloria seems to take on the role of moderator in a sense, in that she doesn't allow others to start talking back to other participants questions or responses. It kind of makes her look like the heavy, but I imagine without some discipline, things could become quite chaotic. She simply asks them to talk it over with each other, after the meeting. ? Ken just sort of glows. And the two of them just beam at one another also. They stayed in the same hotel that we did. Two doors down from us, so we were able to talk to Ken privately there, one day in front of the elevator. He is one of the most peaceful and loving presence's that I have ever met. Any way, I hope you too, enjoy the workshop. Love Martha :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Disappearance_of_the_Universe-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the . |
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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
mstreet
开云体育>>That was the first
time I actually got to see Judith in person.<<
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Me too.?
>>I am also attending a workshop and seminar in Atlanta that Ken and Gloria will be conducting at the end of this month.?? Hmmm a whole week ...ooooh ... this is going to be interesting.? LOL << ?
Hi Ossie:
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I attended one they gave in
Seattle last year. I liked it that they are quite open to answering so many
questions from the audience. I noticed that Gloria seems to take on the role of
moderator in a sense, in that she doesn't allow others to start talking back to
other participants questions or responses. It kind of makes her look like the
heavy, but I imagine without some discipline, things could become quite chaotic.
She simply asks them to talk it over with each other, after the
meeting.
?
Ken just sort of glows. And
the two of them just beam at one another also.
?
They stayed in the same
hotel that we did. Two doors down from us, so we were able to talk to Ken
privately there, one day in front of the elevator. He is one of the most
peaceful and loving presence's that I have ever met.
Any way, I hope you too, enjoy the workshop. ?
Love Martha
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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
mstreet
开云体育>>I concur with what you wrote.<<?
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Thanks Jeanette:
?
I went to the 25th Anniversary of the Course's coming
out in June of 2001, in Anaheim. What most impressed me was Judith talking about
Bill Thetford, and how in the last year of his life, he let all of his past
grievances go, and also made amends in some old relationships.
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When he was in college, he had a girl wearing his pin,
(which was equivalent to being engaged.) And he never did let her know what had
happened, or why he had jilted her. But in that last year, he found her living
in California, and finally told her the truth. And experienced such a sense of
peace after that.
?
When Judith asked him "what about with
Helen?"
?
He said: "Helen came to me in a dream some time
ago. She had on a flowing white dress and a tiera on her head. We both rushed to
greet one another with such welcoming arms."
?
When he awoke, he just knew that they had completely
forgiven one another. And on his last day on earth, he was again staying with
Judith. She was going shopping and asked if he wanted to come along. He
declined, but danced around in glee, saying "I am free. I am free. I am
free of all grievances."
?
She had not gone far, when she noticed in her rear view
mirror that he had collapsed. She came back. But he was gone. He had a major
heart attack, and died with a smile on his lips.
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Peace Martha :-) |
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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
Hello mastreet@...,
In reference to your comment: è I went to the 25th Anniversary of the Course's coming è out in June of 2001, in Anaheim. What most impressed è me was Judith talking about Bill Thetford, and how in è the last year of his life, he let all of his past grievances è go, and also made amends in some old relationships. I was there too and enjoyed Judith's discussion.? That was the first time I actually got to see Judith in person.? I am also attending a workshop and seminar in Atlanta that Ken and Gloria will be conducting at the end of this month.?? Hmmm a whole week ...ooooh ... this is going to be interesting.? LOL Ossie ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Re: One of many forgiveness lessons Date: 6/12/2003 9:05:50 PM Mountain Standard Time From: mastreet@... Reply-to: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... Sent from the Internet (Details) >>I concur with what you wrote.<< ? Thanks Jeanette: ? I went to the 25th Anniversary of the Course's coming out in June of 2001, in Anaheim. What most impressed me was Judith talking about Bill Thetford, and how in the last year of his life, he let all of his past grievances go, and also made amends in some old relationships. When he was in college, he had a girl wearing his pin, (which was equivalent to being engaged.) And he never did let her know what had happened, or why he had jilted her. But in that last year, he found her living in California, and finally told her the truth. And experienced such a sense of peace after that. When Judith asked him "what about with Helen?" He said: "Helen came to me in a dream some time ago. She had on a flowing white dress and a tiera on her head. We both rushed to greet one another with such welcoming arms." When he awoke, he just knew that they had completely forgiven one another. And on his last day on earth, he was again staying with Judith. She was going shopping and asked if he wanted to come along. He declined, but danced around in glee, saying "I am free. I am free. I am free of all grievances." She had not gone far, when she noticed in her rear view mirror that he had collapsed. She came back. But he was gone. He had a major heart attack, and died with a smile on his lips. ? Peace Martha :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Disappearance_of_the_Universe-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the . |
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Re: Reincarnation Instant Breakfast
Hello garyrrenard@...,
In reference to your comment: è? I'd like to? hear any experiences you may have had in è this area, whether in? remembering past lives or what è your thoughts are on this subject.? Love and peace, è Gary. I get the deja vu experiences.? Sometimes they are so strong ... Now as a Course student, however, I just see it now as a bleeding ... in the illusion of time.? When al the possbilties of that moment kind of overlap each other ... The message I get is that I have done this before .. maybe this time I will get it right There have been other times, when there have been a shift (has not happened often) but when it does, I can sense that a lesson of forgivness was learned and I was ready to accept it.? So someone is doing their homework??? :-) Peace Ossie |
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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
Hello jeanettejoy@...,
In reference to your comment: è After all the years of practicing the Course I am è amazed at my efforts in wanting to know è God. That mindset does not work for me.? Most of my life I have been seeking God, or so I thought.? Tried this, tried that.? Then I stumble upon a thought system that says I really don't want to know God (then the lightbulbs went off).? I accepted a thought system that taught me to be fearful of him, and I have taken on a belief system (ego) that makes him a fearful, vendictive god, someone who wants sacrifice, has an attitude, moody? (loves you one minute? .. then turns his back the next) I could go on and on. At least with the Course I understand that God is none of those things .. And God is unchanging ... etc.? It is me who has to change.? But I am stubborn, used to things a certain way and I just find it fascinating how I am determined to do things my way before I finally come up with the thought .. there is a better way. But I am patient and I will get it .. that is God's guaranty. Peace |
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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
Hello jeanettejoy@...,
In reference to your comment: è After all the years of practicing the Course I am è amazed at my efforts in wanting to know è God. ========Original Message======== Subj: RE: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Re: One of many forgiveness lessons Date: 6/12/2003 6:09:04 PM Mountain Standard Time From: jeanettejoy@... Reply-to: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... Sent from the Internet (Details) Ossie wrote: ? "After these few years dealing with the Course, it just amazes me, the great lengths we go through to keep this ego thought sytem intact." ? Being an optimist, may I comment: ? After all the years of practicing the Course I am amazed at my efforts in wanting to know God. ? I only say this, because I find it essential, for me, to realize life is precious, and the Holy Spirit implores me to see God in my World. ? Jeanette Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Disappearance_of_the_Universe-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the . |
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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
mstreet
开云体育Jeanette wrote:
>>After all the years of practicing the Course I am amazed at my
efforts in wanting to know God. I only say
this, because I find it essential, for me, to realize life is precious, and the
Holy Spirit implores me to see God in my World.<<
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Hi Jeanette:
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I don't know if I have a different take on the Course or not, but to me
forgiveness is the only route back to where we never left.? And our true
life in God, has never ceased, even though we are dreaming of being separate
from Him.
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In truth, we are not separate from God or from one another in mind. And as
far as I am concerned, what we call death, cannot separate us those we love.
Even though my own mother has been dead for over twenty years, yet she still
appears to me, every now and then,? in my dreams. And she has such a sweet
smile on her face, when she appears, that it makes me smile, whenever I think of
it.
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Love Martha :-)
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Re: One of many forgiveness lessons
Jeanette
开云体育Ossie wrote:
?
"After these few years dealing with the Course,
it just amazes me, the great lengths we go through to keep this ego thought
sytem intact."
?
Being an optimist, may I comment:
?
After all the years of practicing the Course I am amazed at my efforts in
wanting to know God.
?
I
only say this, because I find it essential, for me, to realize life is precious,
and the Holy Spirit implores me to see God in my World.
?
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Jeanette
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Re: Reincarnation Instant Breakfast
Jeanette
开云体育Anita wrote:
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"Over the many years since then, I have remembered various
different lifetimes. They always came to me over a period of years. And it was
always related to something I was going through at the time - and always proved
to be helpful in seeing more clearly in the present."
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Yes.
Feelings from a current experience bring forth memories of a past life
experience which induced the same feelings, allowing for some new perspective,
and an opportunity, perhaps, to make another choice. It is a dynamic of
learning, and one I find truly helpful.
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As
Jesus says, the past?is healed in the Now, concurrently with the
present.
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Appreciate your personal sharing,
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Jeanette |
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Re: Arten and Pursah's Style
Jeanette
开云体育"I
usually do not have a pen and paper available to write down these
breakthroughs"
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I
carry a little notebook with me now whereever I go, and whenever I note a stream
of thought occurring in my mind, which obviously is from a
super-conscious?cross-over through to the conscious, I write such thoughts
down, typing them later as to day, date, and time, and experience, in which they
occurred.
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At
work, I often write on paper towels, when I experience such sudden stream of
high consciousness come to visit, and type them later at a convenient
time.
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I find
such thoughts are dynamic, to be attended to, and not
ignored.
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We all
channel, I reckon, it is recognizing exactly what thoughts are of value which is
imperative at times.
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Jeanette
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Re: Reincarnation Instant Breakfast
Jeanette
开云体育Hey
Gary,
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Good
post.
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I
find that reincarnation is a fact, as it is rather ridiculous and presumptuous
to think we are born, die, and through the mere transformation of shedding our
body we become Enlightened.
?
Certainly, as Jesus states, only the time we take to complete the Course
is optional, and everyone walks this magnificent path, as there are some who
choose to save time by understanding what spiritual evolution is all about
through the study and practice of the Course, and thus, reincarnation is part of
such path. We choose the time and ways to complete our own spiritual evolution
leading to Atonement. Many paths, yet, the Course offers an overview of them
all. Magnificent work, it is.
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Seth
says that all reincarnation occurs in the present moment, and that most
certainly will blow the mind away even more, including ideas of parallel
universes and probable realities, which frankly, make good sense to me.
(Interestingly enough, there is someone in California who states they are
channeling Seth, once again.)
?
So,
reincarnation, I feel, does occur, and yet, we choose what lessons to take, and
just when and how to resume a journey with a body as tool once
again.
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It
becomes increasingly reassuring that we needn't feel pressured within one
lifetime, and also, there are others, disincarnate who travel with us in time in
order to help us along the way.
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Thanks for this opportunity,
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Jeanette
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