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Re: Pursah to Gary, P. 406
Hi Deb. Thanks for your postings. I assure you I will take your
advice. Just one correction: I never said this was my first priority. I only gave you a couple of reasons why I was making a few public appearances, which included advising people to not back away from the teachings. But I would not consider any particular appearances to be as important as promoting interest in the studying of ACIM, which is clearly the major goal of the book, and will also be a major part of any workshop that I do. BTW, I like your suggestion about talking to Hugh. I'll see what he has to say. Love and peace, Gary. |
Re: Pursah to Gary, P. 406
Hi Gary,
About your response … Okay … what I'm hearing from you about this is that your first priority is deeply personal ~ you want to make sure (as best you can/or can be done) that people know your feelings (unlike those important teachers before you) and understand that your experience was real and not embellished (again, like the confusion left by those first teachers), and your second priority is to promote interest in the studying of ACIM. I can also see & hear your sincerity and your depth of feelings about your experience. I think I don't have the same `intensity' (?) of emotion about your experience(s), and their being `accepted' as truth and such, first because this is your experience (*I have had that same intensity about my own though), and second because I don't think your experience (or your book) are all that `radical' (as you call it) ….but you're right ~ for some people, your experience certainly will be seen as radical (or a fantasy, embellished, etc.) But, Gary ~ remember … you can be totally sincere in all you say & do ~ but it can still not be enough. (!) To be understood and accepted still requires that those seeing and hearing are first open, with eyes to see and ears to hear ~ and are interested. But those that aren't the problem(s) I was referring to. (The traps) Be careful of pedestals that will be offered to you. Be careful of the seductions. [physically/energetically] Those that have fallen into these (and other) traps also started upon their personal paths of success with the same `high hopes' as you do. The audience, Gary ~ they mean well … and it feels so `good' … (there's nothing like it). Talk to others about this before you go. (I'd suggest Hugh Prathers) Those questions you asked – "Why should it have any effect on me? Why should I be nervous?" – Well, you'll get your answer(s). It helps to keep your priorities clear, and staying checked in with friends that you trust, friends that were your friends `before' all of this. Thanks Gary, for listening to my concerns, and for taking the time to explain yourself with such depth & feeling. Good luck, and Happy days to you. Love, Deb |
Re: A + P used to mean something
mstreet
开云体育?
David wrote:
>>Anyway, following on from this little backgound info, I would like to ask if you know of any sites where I might find some of the history to the court cases and fall outs amongst the ACIM factions.<< ?
Hi David:
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I know that you did not ask me, but I think that D. Patrick Miller
wrote about it, in his book "The complete story of the Course."
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>>I am interested, as I've been loosely involved in groups before
and it's only after you've been involved awhile you get to hear all the things
that would have made you leave sooner rather later. All does not appear to be as
rosy in the ACIM garden as I thought and I would just like to more aware of
where the thorns are.<<
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(LOL) the thorns are everywhere. Especially in one's own mind. If you
are looking for a rose garden, with no thorns, then this path is not it. This is
a Course in undoing the blocks to love's awareness, as it tells us in the very
Introduction. And in order to undo them, you have to first look at them. Those
damn thorns. :-)
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The Course is also highly individualized. So for some people they may
feel the need to join a group. Yet even in a group, everyone still has to do
their own internal work.?
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No one can tell you whether this is the right path for you. As we are
told in the Manual. (M.1-4)
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"This is a manual for a curriculum, intended for teachers of a
special form of the universal course. There are many thousands of other forms,
all with the same outcome."
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The whole point of the Course is to finally realize the God's Son is
innocent. And we are all included in the Sonship.
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~ Martha :-)
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Re: Pursah to Gary, P. 406
acimgirl
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Wow Gary! That was powerful. I really support you in the way youare doing this. Our book study went very well Thurs. night and there is a different feel about studying DU out loud with others. We found ourselves reading the parts and not wanting to summarize anything. There's just too much good stuff there. Blessings, Suzanne I thought about what Pursah said before any decision was made, soI'll tell you why I think I'm guided by the Holy Sprit to do somewritten. So let me say first, I'm not going "on tour" or doing thetraditional book lecture route. I'll be doing a light schedule, maybe as few asa half dozen appearances this year. I wouldn't want to work hard ortrue? Was it embellished? Even though I think Carlos may have done acouple of magazine interviews, because no one could see his sincerity,to see some interviews with her today and really see for myself howshe felt about what was going on.how it happened. This is my experience. It's not made up orembellished. This is how it happened for me. I say right in my author's notethat it's not *necessary* for people to believe it in order to deriveleave any doubt about where I'm coming from or what my position is.it down." So Deb, I may not always be a writer and I certainly willnot always be a speaker, but while I am I'm going to make sure peopleget that this isn't some act. With love, thanks and peace, Gary. |
Re: Pursah to Gary, P. 406
Deb wrote:
"Don't get sucked in by your success; don't always expect agreement either." Hi Gary, I saw via the Fearless Newsletter/Updates that you're planning on going the "book lecture route" and as I read that, I felt concerned. That's a treacherous path, lots of pot holes (dealing w/fame is a challenge for anyone). I tried ignoring my feelings. But, that didn't work, the concern kept coming back. Then on a 'fluke' ~ I reached out, and randomly opened up your book …. And the quote see above, was on the page I opened to, and where my eyes were drawn. At that point I didn't know if I should say anything or not, because I can't be sure that I didn't pull that quote to me, because of my feeling concerned. Well, finally I decided, ahhh ~ what the heck (!), I'll post this. Because, it's good advice, and perhaps you really do need the reminder. (?) ~anyway... Take care, Love Deb Hi Deb. Well, I certainly don't always expect agreement! But yeah, I thought about what Pursah said before any decision was made, so I'll tell you why I think I'm guided by the Holy Sprit to do some appearances. I appreciate the love with which your post was written. So let me say first, I'm not going "on tour" or doing the traditional book lecture route. I'll be doing a light schedule, maybe as few as a half dozen appearances this year. I wouldn't want to work hard or anything. (LOL) Second, something Jon Mundy said in April got my attention. He was talking about Carlos Casteneda (I hope I spelled that right) the author of the Don Juan materials. This master appeared before Carlos for many years and was the teacher in his books. But Carlos never appeared in public, ever. And today, people don't really know how he felt. Was he ambivalent about these appearances? How much of it was made up and how much of it was true? Was it embellished? Even though I think Carlos may have done a couple of magazine interviews, because no one could see his sincerity, people don't really know how he felt. You could also say the same about Helen Schucman. I don't blame her for not wanting to speak in public. As I conveyed in the book, I'm not the kind of person to really do that sort of thing either. That in itself is an important forgiveness lesson for me. Why should it have any effect on me? Why should I be nervous? But as for Helen, I wouldn't mind being able to see some interviews with her today and really see for myself how she felt about what was going on. So I can promise you one thing, (and not much else!) people in the future aren't going to have any trouble figuring out how I feel about Arten and Pursah's appearances and how much of the book is true. I'm going to tell them in person and on camera that this is how it happened. This is my experience. It's not made up or embellished. This is how it happened for me. I say right in my author's note that it's not *necessary* for people to believe it in order to derive benefits from the information in the book. But I'm not going to leave any doubt about where I'm coming from or what my position is. The other reason is to encourage people to not back away from the message of the Course or "The Disappearance of the Universe." This is one radical freakin' book, and there's no getting away from that. As my teachers said, "Do it. Do the Course, Gary. Don't dumb it down." So Deb, I may not always be a writer and I certainly will not always be a speaker, but while I am I'm going to make sure people get that this isn't some act. With love, thanks and peace, Gary. |
Re: Hi from Elizabeth
Judy wrote:
I read something once that one needs to go over something aboutten times before it really becomes part of you - I can see me doing that. Hi Judy. I think what you say is true, and either Arten or Pursah (I don't always remember which one said what now!) said something similar. It's in the book somewhere. I think they said it was a dozen times, which is the same idea. In any case, that's just one of the reasons why the Course is a lifelong spiritual path, and congratulations to those who know that. Love and peace, Gary. |
Pursah to Gary (page 406)
"Don't get sucked in by your success; don't always
expect agreement either." Hi Gary, I saw via the Fearless Newsletter/Updates that you're planning on going the "book lecture route" and as I read that, I felt concerned. That's a treacherous path, lots of pot holes (dealing w/fame is a challenge for anyone). I tried ignoring my feelings. But, that didn't work, the concern kept coming back. Then on a 'fluke' ~ I reached out, and randomly opened up your book . And the quote see above, was on the page I opened to, and where my eyes were drawn. At that point I didn't know if I should say anything or not, because I can't be sure that I didn't pull that quote to me, because of my feeling concerned. Well, finally I decided, ahhh ~ what the heck (!), I'll post this. Because, it's good advice, and perhaps you really do need the reminder. (?) ~anyway... Take care, Love Deb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! |
Re: Lessons
Tom wrote:
I see D_of_U list as a good outlet for people to expressthemselves freely. Thanks Tom, which reminded me, I wanted to express my gratitude to the founder of this group, Nelson, for giving everyone this space to communicate in. The idea of having an unrestricted group was a brave one, considering the history of some of the unmoderated boards. I've been told that Marianne Williamson tried a similar approach but it didn't work out, and the Fearless board met the same fate. This one may have a chance though; so far so good! Love and peace, Gary. |
Re: fear and defense.
mstreet
开云体育Carrie wrote:
>>I don't know what the point of this is, but it seems like it
was
more me changing my mind (like seeing him as "minding" and being a good dog) than anything else. Communication (all minds are joined) or something.<<
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Hi Carrie:
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Yes, it seems that way. Even dog's minds or brains or whatever, seem to
sense things, beyond the norm. I am still working on trying to figure out the
difference between the mind and brain. Especially when it comes to dogs. (LOL)
Do you think they too, are all part of the one mind? I am thinking they must
be.
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~ Martha :-)? |
Re: fear and defense.
Wow... I have sort of the same kind of story, involving a dog.
(btw, my homeowner's insurance co asks if you have a dog, and what kind, etc. and I was told NO insurance company in VT will now give coverage to anyone who owns a Rotweiller or Pitbull! I have a little black "shaggy dog" I once inherited after one of my daughters got a divorce.. he seems to be fine with the insurance co) Anyway, about a year ago, my daughter's boyfriend, who was living elsewhere at the time, heard an ad on a radio "Trading Post" (ad) show for a "free puppy". Since he was living alone (rented room) at the time, he wanted a companion, and also wanted to get it because of his then 3 year old daughter, who lived with me (and her mother, my daughter. They were currently separated at the time) So, he got "Buddy" who is an Australian Kelpie. He was the third owner, the original owner had paid $600 for him (!) at a petstore, given him away, they had given him away (on the radio show) I think I can see why. I've seen talked to other Kelpie owners, and they are horrified that one was sold in a petstore because they are NOT really pets. They aren't mean, but they are used for either working (herding on huge sheep ranches in Australia) or trained for shows. Apparently this one was sold to a pet store for some reason. His parents were imported from Australia. He is a sweet dog, and VERY smart, but kind of a challenge as a household pet. Oh, now he and the boyfriend are back living with me (and my little black shaggy dog) again (LOL) There are long stories but mainly once he gets out loose he goes nuts- and runs and tries to herd cars out on the road (or my neighbor's cows and horse) and seems to be in a world of his own. Doesn't come back till he's wet, muddy and exhausted. Not a real problem but... the cows are valuable and the horse is currently up for sale for $3600. Not sure my homeowner's would cover that if the dog chased them through the fence and a car hit them, or something. And I really don't want to find out. We have become very vigilant at not letting him get out loose (unless the boyfriend is here, he is very firm with the dog and the dog minds him). Actually,in a way we (humans) have become trained more than the dog has (LOL) I'm noticing now that Buddy will run downstairs- and go to the kitchen door, and instead of racing out (if it's not shut tight- though I have become very alert at making sure it is) as he used to, he sits there and looks at it, almost like he now KNOWS he's not supposed to just run out and off. The first time I noticed this I told him what a GOOD DOG he is and he seemed to know what I mean. He also used to run back and forth on his long rope (actually steel cable made for dogs- because he'd break or chew through a rope) whenever a car went by and a few times I yelled NO! at him when he did this. I noticed after that when a car went by he'd sit and look up at the house, like to see if I was going to yell NO again. I don't know what the point of this is, but it seems like it was more me changing my mind (like seeing him as "minding" and being a good dog) than anything else. Communication (all minds are joined) or something. I think he is a very unusual breed of dog (if you put Australian Kelpie in search and find pictures, he is a chocolate color, and has one ear up and one down- like a "cocky" attitude) and I think we had to adjust to this, and join with him in it in some way. Work around his personality or something. ~ Carrie --- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "mstreet" <mastreet@t...> wrote: For any one that knows me, they know that I have a large GermanShepherd female dog, that I take out for a long walks early in the morning. We got her when she was six years old, and were assured that she was a gentle dog. she got into three separate fights with other female dogs. I tried taking her back to the farm where we had bought her, but they would not take her back. From my understanding she had been used as a breeding dog, and in her last litter, she had eleven pups. And then they had her spayed. <g> First of all she was not used to the city, and she seemed to think that she was invincible when it came to cars. She had absolutely no fear of them, and would run in front of a moving bus or car, so I tried to keep her safe by taking her, to an out of the way natural park. Which I came to like as well. often speeding along almost bumper to bumper. However I quickly ushered her into the wooded paths and away from all traffic. The only thing I did not seem to having control over however, were coyotes or squirrels, and my dogs instinctive nature to chase them. the main road, and across, in the midst of rush hour traffic. She got safely across, and then just as quickly came running back. And I watched in horror as I saw her bouncing off of a car. Actually it kind of stopped all traffic, but to everyone's amazement, she got up and came running back over to me. quickly began comforting me, as I was crying by now, and also checking to make sure my dog was all right. When I assured him that we were fine and then I apologized to him, he then said: "I am just wondering about my car though?" And then I noticed the whole side of his car was dented in. And he added, that he was not insured for being hit by animals. I was so relieved that my dog was still alive, and I gave him my drivers license and phone numbers, and assured him it would all be taken care of, while again, apologizing to him. the damage was over two thousand dollars, and that kind of blew me away. And then they said, perhaps my homer insurance would pay it, but it was not their responsibility. I gave him my home owners insurance number, little expecting them to pay for a dog, that was not any where near its home when it happened. But surprisingly they paid for it. And our insurance rates did not even go up. (s?) with their owner, walking in the park, and I have tried to stay clear of them, as I thought I heard the man call the biggest one, by a female name. And knowing of my dogs history with other female dogs, did not want to have to deal with any dog fights. forewarning. Immediately I began shooing away this one dog, who I thought was a female, and looked to be about a hundred and fifty pounds, and then its companion quickly came to its defense. And then all the dogs were baring their teeth at one another. And me, trying to control the whole situation. (lol) I can laugh now in retrospect. The other owner called his dogs off, and then it was all over. do, if I happened to meet up with them again? Then it suddenly dawned on me, that these dogs had never attacked before. But it seemed as though they had all sensed my fear, and they immediately became defensive and non trusting. really have control over this situation, and my fear, did not help at all. In fact, it only made matters worse. sure enough we did. This time however, I just allowed the dogs to meet and sniff one another. And the owner told me then, that biggest dog was actually a male, and they were both friendly. And their was no baring of teeth. They got along just fine. I even laughingly admitted to the man, that my fear, seemed to be the biggest problem. He too, joined in the friendly laughter, and then, we both watched as our dogs got along as friendly as could be. lesson for me. To not think that I need to control things.
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Re: A + P used to mean something
sonnetone
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I read ACIM a few years ago, but only got to number 12 in the lessons. I really only half understood the text because I don't really have a Church background and the Jesus thing kind of put me off. Having read Gary's book I have gone back to reading some of it and find it makes more sense now, even if I am still a bit taken aback by the whole notion of unreal worlds not created by God and reappearing ascended Masters etc. I always did resonate, though, with the idea of the Comforter being sent to bring you peace-for me that would equate with the Holy Spirit who sees your error but does not believe in it. Anyway, following on from this little backgound info, I would like to ask if you know of any sites where I might find some of the history to the court cases and fall outs amongst the ACIM factions. I am interested, as I've been loosely involved in groups before and it's only after you've been involved awhile you get to hear all the things that would have made you leave sooner rather later. All does not appear to be as rosy in the ACIM garden as I thought and I would just like to more aware of where the thorns are. I don't want to be wasting a year of my life doing lessons that have a dubious and disputed origin. I thank you in advance of any advice you can give - I believe that only a true seeker has the temerity to ask all the questions that in the end will leave only silence and perhaps a knowing smile, David ----- Original Message -----
From: "starchild1124" <starchild1124@...> To: <Disappearance_of_the_Universe@...> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Re: A + P used to mean something
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fear and defense.
mstreet
开云体育For any one that knows me, they know that I have a
large German Shepherd female dog, that I take out for a long walks early in the
morning. We got her when she was six years old, and were assured that she was a
gentle dog.
?
The first day we had her, I took her over to an off
leash park, and she got into three separate fights with other female dogs. I
tried taking her back to the farm where we had bought her, but they would not
take her back. From my understanding she had been used as a breeding dog, and in
her last litter, she had eleven pups. And then they had her spayed.
?
So we kept the dog, and have had many forgiveness
lessons with her. First of all she was not used to the city, and she
seemed to think that she was invincible when it came to cars. She had absolutely
no fear of them, and would run in front of a moving bus or car, so I tried to
keep her safe by taking her, to an out of the way natural park. Which I came to
like as well.
?
The road to this place, however was a well traveled road, with cars often
speeding along almost bumper to bumper. However I quickly ushered her into the
wooded paths and away from all traffic. The only thing I did not seem to having
control over however, were coyotes or squirrels, and my dogs instinctive nature
to chase them.
?
This happened one day, as my dog, actually chased a coyote back to the main
road, and across, in the midst of rush hour traffic. She got safely across, and
then just as quickly came running back. And I watched in horror as I saw her
bouncing off of a car. Actually it kind of stopped all traffic, but to
everyone's amazement, she got up and came running back over to me.
?
The driver of the car, drove back into the park where I was, and quickly
began comforting me, as I was crying by now, and also checking to make sure my
dog was all right. When I assured him that we were fine and then I apologized to
him, he then said: "I am just wondering about my car though?" And then
I noticed the whole side of his car was dented in. And he added, that he was not
insured for being hit by animals. I was so relieved that my dog was still alive,
and I gave him my drivers license and phone numbers, and assured him it would
all be taken care of, while again, apologizing to him.
?
A few days later I was contacted by his insurance company, and told the
damage was over two thousand dollars, and that kind of blew me away. And then
they said, perhaps my homer insurance would pay it, but it was not their
responsibility. I gave him my home owners insurance number, little expecting
them to pay for a dog, that was not any where near its home when it happened.
But surprisingly they paid for it. And our insurance rates did not even go up.
?
Lately, in our morning walks, I have noticed two huge
Rotweillers (s?) with their owner, walking in the park, and I have tried to stay
clear of them, as I thought I heard the man call the biggest one, by a female
name. And knowing of my dogs history with other female dogs, did not want to
have to deal with any dog fights.?
?
Yesterday morning however we bumped right into them,
without any forewarning. Immediately I began shooing away this one dog, who I
thought was a female, and looked to be about a hundred and fifty pounds, and
then its companion quickly came to its defense. And then all the dogs were
baring their teeth at one another. And me, trying to control the whole
situation. (lol) I can laugh now in retrospect. The other owner called his dogs
off, and then it was all over.?
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This morning as I walked the paths, I was wondering
what I should do, if I happened to meet up with them again? Then it suddenly
dawned on me, that these dogs had never attacked before. But it seemed as though
they had all sensed my fear, and they immediately became defensive and non
trusting.
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So I decided to give a little bit of trust. Realizing
that I don't really have control over this situation, and my fear, did not help
at all. In fact, it only made matters worse.
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It almost seemed as though I knew we would meet them
again, and sure enough we did. This time however, I just allowed the dogs to
meet and sniff one another. And the owner told me then, that biggest dog was
actually a male, and they were both friendly. And their was no baring of teeth.
They got along just fine. I even laughingly admitted to the man, that my fear,
seemed to be the biggest problem. He too, joined in the friendly laughter, and
then, we both watched as our dogs got along as friendly as could be.
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I don't know what anything means, but this seemed like
another lesson for me. To not think that I need to control things.
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Peace Martha :-) |
Re: Hi from Elizabeth
I always need to be a one-upsman. I am going to start to read the book the
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third time. I read something once that one needs to go over something about ten times before it really becomes part of you - I can see me doing that. There is always something I missed the time before - of course that all depends on where "I" am in this journey. Judy ----- Original Message -----
From: "garyrrenard" <garyrrenard@...> To: <Disappearance_of_the_Universe@...> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Re: Hi from Elizabeth Hi Elizabeth, and welcome! I can't believe you read all of the |
Lessons
Tom W Smith
开云体育Hi Martha and Namaste All,
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I reread Ken's comments on lesson 23 last night and this time
I think I got a clearer understanding.? The first time my comprehension was
being blocked by my desire for "specialness" or to make my body/brain
real.? It is a very helpful commentary and again I appreciate your efforts.
Maybe I'll purchase the tapes someday, but at present I don't have enough money
-- I think I'm under the ego's law of scarcity?which?was the first law
I learned when I took Economics "101" in college.? I look forward to
reading your latest transcription of Lesson 26.?
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I see D_of_U list it is a good outlet for people to express
themselves freely.? I believe each of us has their own way of learning,
assuming one wants to learn, and each list has its own value.? I can't
judge what is right for "others" in any case, but I learn when I
write,?irregardless of?the list or?possible listener -- still I
like sitting here?(thinking I'm here :o) with my coffee wondering?what
someone might think of my words.?
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A good lesson for me everyday is to let the Holy Spirit judge
or as Gary writes,?a Higher Court, what I observe.? I also admit that
I have to ask the Holy Spirit to help me see?all personal attacks,
including my own,?in His Light and not through my biased
eyes.??
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Peace,
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Tom
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May your Heart Sing and be at Peace.
May your Spirit fly and be filled with Gods Illuminating Light. And with every step you take may it bring you closer to Yourself and in that closer to God.~Nicole Renee DeWitt ?
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Re: A + P used to mean something
This is a discussion list.... I was writing it in the spirit of
discussion. I didn't mean it personally against Ken and his judgement. I was told he said to someone on the phone he was suing people over the copyright because of an "agreement we made when we chose to be in the world of form/illusion". He also sued Ryan Rothgab who believed, and believes that ACIM was written by Jesus (which Helen and the foundation used to INSIST on- that Helen had nothing to do with writing it, and now they have changed all that and claim she is the author) and Ryan went to court without a lawyer and used what the court teaches as his "non defense". He lost and was fined a huge amount, which, with interest is now over $200,000. The guy works as a clown, entertaining children, and believe ACIM is the word of God, that he is living. I know his peace isn't disturbed by the fine and how it will probably be a million dollars by the time he dies, and I know he needs or wants no defense. We're told not to see ourselves (or others) as unfairly treated and victims of the world we see. But, going by Ken's beliefs that we made an agreement to go by the laws of the world (like suing people over the ownership of WORDS) it doesn't seem like a very nice thing to take someone who had websites based on ACIM and bring him to court, win, and now hold a $200,000+ settlement over them. Ken could have taken him to court, won and not asked for damages from a person who will never be able to pay it. He could have FORGIVEN Ryan for his mistakes- for believing the course was written by Jesus and given to the world to live and share. It's only words in a book, and form. Ken uses the excuse he wants to protect the course and keep people from changing it and using it out of context, but after reading the Urtext and seeing home much he changed it, that's kind of a joke. Also, seems like he could be more of an example of living what it says, in the way he treats his "brothers in Christ". That probably sounds judgemental, but is coming from the point of view that he takes. We're in the world and this is how the world is and sees things. Maybe he's making the point that it's not possible to put "what the course teaches" into our lives, while living in the world of form. Doesn't sound at all like the tapes he made, that I used to listen to right after I got the book. But then he also used to tell about how Helen never wanted to be known as the author of the book, and now he has proven in a court of law that she was. Not a big deal, just as I said- discussion on a discussion board. without discussion it would just be a "board" ~ Carrie --- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "mstreet" <mastreet@t...> wrote: I sent this in early this morning but apparently it has evaporatedor something or other. So I am pasting and sending this same response in again, and see what happens. :-) I just hope it doesn't come across as being to harsh. I just feel that we have no way of knowing how another is being guided. it.<< whatever it is he doing. Maybe it is some agreement he made with Helen, based on what her inner guidance was, or maybe it is part of his own forgiveness lessons. In order for me to know that I have that Thought system in my mind, Iall to all" and we can only keep something by giving it away?<<How does that relate to all the course says, like "to have, give need to give it to all. If I restrict it to just a few, then I am saying it is not true. thought system of the ego, and the Holy Spirit's Thoughts, in our right minds. I am not different from my brother in this. And I also share with them in the need of awakening. wrong perceptions, the more I am allowing the love of the Holy Spirit to reflect through me. As I do that more and more, I see that like me, my brother too, has a right mind, that he can turn to, whenever he so chooses. As I acknowledge that, I am strengthening it in my mind, "to have all, give to all." I am seeing that we are truly joined in our minds. That the separation had no effect on the truth, that we are one.
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Re: Massachusetts, Endeavor, etc.
Of course (it's up to them why they buy books and so many, etc.)
I was interested in this because I've heard that MT found it interesting and wanted everyone to read it and learn more about forgiveness. Since this is a big part of ACIM itself, it seems odd that after all this time he is just getting to it in what he wants others there to learn. As to how many books they buy, I guess since I couldn't even afford to buy one, the idea of spending $2000 or so on many copies of the same book is kind of mind boggling. Unless it's now out in paperback and less expensive. I guess they don't have to worry about money, even with the court costs and their fund raising to buy a new home, that started a few years back. Don't keep up with it that much, so don't know how that ever came out, or if it is. I could ask on the NG, Robin might read there, but all he'd probably say is "I love you!" LOL And speaking of nostalgia, we've gotten into song lyrics and old songs on the NG (seems like when a few people stop posting there, or so much, it shifts into everyone getting along and being friendly. Not that our peace and getting along should depend on anyone else...) Maybe I shouldn't give you this late at night, but maybe you won't see it till tomorrow What were they playing in what year? Some I remember, some I never heard of (LOL) Oh, another memory of Salem, when I was a child my grandfather was in a band (played french horn- dressed in a band uniform) and used to play in concerts at Salem Willows. Also Riverside Park (Agawam?) I only vaguely remember this, going there with my parents as a child. Also, my daughter's boyfriend (they live with me now in VT) moved from Georgia with a friend who was going back to Salem, because he was interested in the witchcraft side of it. He was kind of disppointed to find it was (now) mainly a tourist attraction. I just heard on New England Cable News that Lynn is now enforcing a 9 year old teen curfew law- because of the crime and gang wars and potential for more. Two teenagers have been shot recently in the area. The kids are having a fit. It's that any kid under 18 can't be out on the streets after midnight (or the cops bring them home-) One 14 year old they talked to was having a fit and saying his mother trusted him out late and he wasn't going to do what no cop said! What parent would want their kid out even AFTER DARK in a place like Lynn? (LOL) I must be getting old, I don't think kids under 18 need to be out in the streets after midnight. It's not like they can't go to a place or friends house and get picked up in a car. I know, fear based, but part of the reality of the illusion. I don't usually watch the news, at least the Boston news. I don't want to tie in with it. ~ Carrie --- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "garyrrenard" <garyrrenard@y...> wrote: Hey Carrie, You're making me nostalgic mentioning all thosewent last weekend. It was great; I love New England in the summer.at or right around the Academy. That's all we can really say withoutrather than being rushed. Unless of course they were going to skim it like |
Re: A + P used to mean something
mstreet
开云体育I sent this in early this morning but apparently it has
evaporated or something or other. So I am pasting and sending this same response
in again, and see what happens. :-) I just hope it doesn't come across as being
to harsh. I just feel that we have no way of knowing how another is being
guided.
?
Carrie wrote:
>>Of course, then he might have to try and explain how his views about suing people over the words in it relates to what it says in it.<< Carrie: ?
I don't know, and I doubt if you know, the
reason for Ken doing whatever it is he doing. Maybe it is some agreement he made
with Helen, based on what her inner guidance was, or maybe it is part of his own
forgiveness lessons.
>>How does that relate to all the course says, like "to have, give all to all" and we can only keep something by giving it away?<< ?
Now to me, this is talking about the Holy Spirit's Thought system. In
order for me to know that I have that Thought system in my mind, I need to give
it to all. If I restrict it to just a few, then I am saying it is not true.
?
The Course tells us, our minds are split, between the wrong minded
thought system of the ego, and the Holy Spirit's Thoughts, in our right minds. I
am not different from my brother in this. And I also share with them in the need
of awakening.
?
The more I accept the Atonement or forgiveness (for myself) for my
wrong perceptions, the more I am allowing the love of the Holy Spirit to reflect
through me. As I do that more and more, I see that like me, my brother too, has
a right mind, that he can turn to, whenever he so chooses. As I acknowledge
that, I am strengthening it in my mind, "to have all, give to all." I
am seeing that we are truly joined in our minds. That the separation had no
effect on the truth, that we are one.?
?
~ Martha??
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Re: curious here
Hi Martha. I'm trying to beat Carrie's record for most consecutive
postings. (LOL) Just kidding Carrie. I don't know what happened with the postings, Martha. I usually come to the group to read the postings and write them. I don't get postings in my inbox or send them from my e-mail, so I haven't had a chance to have that particular problem. I would say that if it happens to someone else then it's probably Yahoo having technical difficulties, but if it only happens to you then it's probably your computer. Wait, you told me not to tell you that! Love and peace, Gary. |
Massachusetts, Endeavor, etc.
Hey Carrie, You're making me nostalgic mentioning all those
places in Massachusetts. It's only a couple of hours away but I haven't been going there that much in the last ten years until I went last weekend. It was great; I love New England in the summer. As far as Endeavor goes, I don't know exactly how many people are there. If Ted wants to post he's certainly welcome to. I know most people who join just read the posts, which is cool. It's up to them if they want to say anything. All I can do is confirm for you that it's true what you say about over a hundred copies being sold at or right around the Academy. That's all we can really say without violating privacy. It's public knowledge how many books get sold by an author and where, but it's nobody's business who bought them unless they themselves want to say so. As for why they would need so many and not just pass a few copies around, I would think it would be because people who are interested in the book would want to have their own copy. As with studying the Course, people like having their own book so they can take their time with it, mark it, read it more than once, etc, rather than being rushed. Unless of course they were going to skim it like mad. But who would want to do that? Love and peace, Gary. |
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