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Re: No problem, nothing to forgive
Hello BillFrock@...,
In reference to your comment: è No one can attack me and I cannot attack anyone è else.? All the emotional and physical pain that I have è ever felt has been caused by my own mind, not by è anything anyone else did to me.? I have simply given è myself an "hypnotic suggestion" that if such and such è happens I will feel emotional and/or physical pain. That is why that lesson made such an impact on me.? Things have happened to me over the past 2-3 years ... and when I put in the names of those folks in the blanks, it became very clear the only person I was hurting was myself ... all that time and energy and pain I went through ... it just felt very heavy :::::sighing:::: (realizing the price I choose to pay in order not to feel the Peace of God).? It is one thing to intellectualize it ... as obviously I had been doing, but when I see it for what it really is :::sighing::: :-( I was also in touch with the part of me that was not ready to completely let go ... the need to be a victim and the need to be right? :::sighing:::: oh my goodness, how much power I have invested in those feelings :::sighing::::: This is truly a process. Peace Ossie P.S.? :::::SIGHING::::::?? OOOOOOOHHHHHH WEEEEEEEEEE I THINK I FEEL LIGHTER AFTER ALL THAT SIGHING .... LOL |
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Wow, what a book!!!
larrygee2acim
Hi Gary,
What a book!!! Having been a Course student and facillitator for a number of years, and author of the book, "Where Does It Say?---A Basic Index for a Course in Miracles," (plug!) and a devoted attendee at 2 or 3 of Ken Wapnick's Roscoe, NY seminars, I want to say "BRAVO!" to you for your most inspiring book! I often wonder that if those who criticize Ken Wapnick could only meet him in person, would change their minds about him. Your "Disappearance" book criticisms that you receive may be a backhanded way of striking out at him, and if so, I'm sure he'll quickly forgive as you so aptly do also. I would like to send you a copy of my book, so if you would send your mailing address I'll mail you one by return post. It may help you in your own studies. I live in Big Sandy TX, about 90 miles east of Dallas, out in the East Texas Piney Woods. Originally from Nashville, TN, Ken would remember me as his "rebel brother." I would like to attend any meetings you may put on within 100 or so miles of my home. However, again, I will travel to see you anywhere I can, so a schedule of your dates would be greatly appreciated. (Later) OOPS! I just (today!) discovered your discussion group on Yahoo! so will also post this (abbreviated) email there now. . . Hurray, Jon Mundy is a former dealer of my book, and a wonderful "Swami" from the last reunion I attended at MDC, Anaheim, CA a couple of years ago. Again, I am so grateful for your book...WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT FOR SURE! Love & Best Wishes, Larry Goodman |
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No problem, nothing to forgive
Martha,
Thank you for listing Ken's lesson.? It's very good. Part of Ken's talk is based on "I can escape from the world I see by giving up attack thoughts."? (W-23) I think the reason that I can escape the world I SEE by giving up attack thoughts, is not because attack thoughts are "bad," but because attack thoughts are illusions.? Attack thoughts are illusions, because attack is impossible. No one can attack me and I cannot attack anyone else.? All the emotional and physical pain that I have ever felt has been caused by my own mind, not by anything anyone else did to me.? I have simply given myself an "hypnotic suggestion" that if such and such happens I will feel emotional and/or physical pain.? The fact that emotional and physical pain is removed by hypnotic suggestion, shows that the body does not feel anything.? It is only the mind that thinks the body feels anything. Therefore, to give up attack thoughts is simply to give up the illusion that attack is possible.? No one has ever hurt me and I have never hurt anyone.? That is why there is no sin, and why there is no guilt.? As the Course says, "All that the ego is, is an idea that it is POSSIBLE that things could happen to the Son of God without his will ….? This is the MAD IDEA you have enshrined upon your altars, and which you worship." (T-21.II.6.) This suggests that even my saying to someone, "I forgive you" is the evidence of my misperception.? As the Course says, " … no one can forgive a sin that he believes is real."? (T-27.II.2.) A more accurate demonstration of "forgiveness" might be the phrase "No problem, nothing to forgive."? For example, someone might say to me, "I'm sorry I'm late."? True "forgiveness" might be the response, "No problem, nothing to forgive."? Since no one outside of me can cause me any pain, no one outside of me can cause me any problems.? Therefore, "No problem, nothing to forgive." Bill |
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Gary, A&P, Carnation, and so much more...
Hi Gary,
I've been thoroughly enjoying being a part of this forum since its inception, and I've wanted to touch base with you -- but it's probably a good idea that I email you off-list, so we can discuss important topics like beer, and our guitars.... But here, "publicly", I wanted to state (as many others have already) how really cool it is to have your regular input on this forum! Definitely expands on our understanding of the materials presented in "Disappearance". I'm currently about 80 percent along in the book, and I actually find myself holding off from finishing it -- it's like I don't want it to be "over"! Of course, I can always go back and read it again.... (Wouldn't it be great if there was some way I could actually forget I had read it, and then experience it again, as if anew..? Wow; to do something over and over, not remembering you did it before.... What a concept!!) I imagine you and I are about the same age; I certainly remember Carnation Instant Breakfast, and in fact, I remember seeing it on the shelves of our old local A&P market! My A&P memories go back to the days when there was an actual wooden pickle barrel, with the tongs connected to a chain, so you could reach in and select your own pickles... I was always fascinated by that when I was a little kid. So *many* things to chat about with you -- but we can save those for future discussions. I note with interest your upcoming workshops in New York (where I'm originally from) and in New England (where my wife is from). Sorry I won't be able to make them! Any plans for "appearances" here in South Florida? My original connection with ACIM (a little over ten years ago) was through my participations with a wonderful organization called The Palm Beach Center For Living. There is also a Science of Mind, right down the street from where we now live! So there's no shortage of venues in this area that would welcome your workshops... (And I'm sure we could arrange accommodations here at the Bogart Inn -- where you'd also have access to our extensive guitar collection... :^) At any rate, your work has certainly brightened the Light of Joy and Peace for so many of us; so "thank you", and I'll look forward to further conversations! Love, Bliss, and Mirth, Gene |
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Re-posting: N Y and Boston Workshops
Hey guys, Having attended a couple of workshops of Ken's, I'm
inspired by reading about his gig in Atlanta. It brings it all back. And if you want to go from the sublime to the well, not as sublime, I'm happy to give you the details of the workshops I'm doing in New York in October. I'm teaming up with Jon Mundy, so his experience will offset my immaturity. Jon's been speaking in public for 42 years, and I've been speaking in public for about 42 minutes. Hmmm, this should be interesting. I do promise to share my experiences and not compromise on the teachings, and also, as Arten and Pursah might say, "Have fun!" Here are the details: Oct. 11 and Oct. 12, Rock Tavern, NY and New York City, 2 separate 1 day workshops on my Course related book, "The Disappearance of the Universe" both featuring Jon Mundy and myself. Sat. Oct. 11, Unitarian Church in Rock Tavern, near Newburgh, NY, 10am-6pm with a lunchbreak, $50 in advance, $60 at the door. Sun. Oct 12, same price and hours, NIP (National Institute for Psychotherapies) 330 W 58th St. at Columbus Circle in Manhatten. For more info or to register, please call Jon at 845-496-9089. BULLETIN!: For those of you in New England, it has just been confirmed there will also be a workshop on "The Disappearance of the Universe" Sat. Sept. 6, with yours truly flying solo for my very first workshop. Make history near Boston at Vicki Poppe's house (there's a delicious lunch included with this one) 140 Adams St. in Quincy, MA. Vicki has the biggest Course group in the Boston area, and wanted to host my first workshop. It will be from 10am to 5pm, $50 in advance or at the door. For more info or to register please call Vicki at 617-472-1443. I hope to meet you! |
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Re: A + P used to mean something
"Goose" wrote:
Hi Gary, I represent the part of your mind that knows A & P are ego inventions you concocted because you suspected (rightly) that nobody would pay any attention to what YOU thought ACIM means. I am here to remind you that it was a cheap, unworthy and dishonest trick. HONK! Hi Goose. Actually, you represent the part of my mind that mistakenly believes it has separated itself from God, and now in its erroneous guilt is hiding in a world of judgment and condemnation. Happily, the separation from God never really occurred, and I forgive you, my brother, for what you have not really done. That is the way home for me, and when you choose it, also for you. Love and peace, Gary. |
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Re: psychics and things.
mstreet
开云体育>>Thanks! I know a couple of people with whom I could share it. My
daughter and the leader of a Course group I attend who seems to be talking quite
a bit about life after death these days. There may be more, but these are who
came to mind right now.<<
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Thanks Linda:
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I enjoy your sharing also. After having a NDE in my early twenties, even
though I was never particularly religious, I somehow never doubted that as
spirit, I would live on, and that somehow we are all connected. I just wish that
I would not go back to forgetting so easily.
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Re: psychics and things.
Martha, I just LOVE this story! Thanks! I know a couple of people with whom I could share it. My daughter and the leader of a Course group I attend who seems to be talking quite a bit about life after death these days. There may be more, but these are who came to mind right now. mstreet wrote:
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The Prodigal Son's Lament
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Back from my Course in Miracles retreat and this song once again came up for me.?
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A & P used to mean something
garyrrenard wrote:
" . . . . As Arten said on P.171, "You have to learn how to turn the tables on the ego. The *only* way to forgive what is within is to forgive what *seems* to be without." Of course any good student of the Course "knows" this, but how often do we remember to do it when the crap hits the fan? . . . ." Hi Gary, I represent the part of your mind that knows A & P are ego inventions you concocted because you suspected (rightly) that nobody would pay any attention to what YOU thought ACIM means. I am here to remind you that it was a cheap, unworthy and dishonest trick. HONK! |
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Re: Reincarnation Instant Breakfast
acimgirl
Thanks Gary for that response..... I have a man in my group who keeps saying
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you have to forgive yourself first before you can forgive anyone else and I have tried every way I can to say that it is a simultaneous thing.....that my brothers are mirroring my lessons to me. I've printed out your response here about forgiving within by forgiving what seems to be without and I'm going to read it in my group this morning. If he doesn't need to hear it *I* certainly do! Blessings, Suzanne garyrrenard wrote: First, a warm welcome to Sue-chan, and thank you for your postings; |
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Re: Reincarnation Instant Breakfast
First, a warm welcome to Sue-chan, and thank you for your postings;
more later I'm sure. As for reincarnation, Linda wrote a fascinating piece about her experiences which included the following: He gave us advice and told us things that were going to happen that did and helped us through a hard time. I realize this is all a dream within a dream, but it helped us in a way we needed at the time in a way that we could relate to. I think of it sort of like Pursah and Arten coming to Gary in a form that helped that was a form he was comfortable with. It was a way of showing us that we were not alone - that we had help. Thanks, Linda. I think what you say here is very much in line with the way I feel about Arten and Pursah. Ultimately, they are symbolic of the Voice of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit works with each seeming individual in a way that we can accept and understand, and uses unreal symbols to reach us. As my teachers asked, "How else would you be able to hear Him?" So although my ascended visitors seemed just as "real" to me as anyone else, they wanted to guide me to the point where I could see that *none* of what I was seeing is real. This also relates to the points being made here about the body's purpose of reversing cause and effect. Fortunately, the Holy Spirit takes the same things that the ego made and uses them to undo it through forgiveness of those very same things! As Arten said on P.171, "You have to learn how to turn the tables on the ego. The *only* way to forgive what is within is to forgive what *seems* to be without." Of course any good student of the Course "knows" this, but how often do we remember to do it when the crap hits the fan? I certainly remember to do it more often than I ever have, probably most of the time. So I think one of Arten and Pursah's contributions was the emphasis they put on being vigilant and getting into the habit of choosing forgiveness over and over. If you can remember to choose the Holy Spirit when it's not easy, your ego is being undone. For as the Course asks, "What is a miracle but this remembering?" (T447) Love and peace, Gary. |
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psychics and things.
mstreet
开云体育Before the Course being a part of my life, (which would
be 1980) I was telling someone about this amazing psychic that I had been to.
She told me things that almost knocked my socks off with there accuracy. And I
happened to mention this to someone else. And this person in turn told me there
was another psychic that I should go and see.
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Being curious I made an appointment with this psychic. She lived in a high
rise building on the waterfront in our city. She was elderly (at least by my
standards then) and very polite as I asked her how much she charged for these
sessions. She thought that I might have been aware, that she never charges. She
simply felt it was a gift that was given to her by God, and felt that if she
ever charged she would lose the gift. And she never advertises but simply
accepts people who come to her, feeling that she is there to offer whatever
comes up.
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For awhile then, we talked about the birds that visit her on her balcony.
She seemed very normal to me, but then all of a sudden she began speaking
harshly to someone who was not even there, or who should not be there. She kept
saying: "Go away. You don't belong here. Please... just leave."
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I watched in amusement, and then finally she turned to
me, and said: "There is a man here, that wont go away." After a few
more rounds of her telling him to leave, she said: "He wont go." Then
finally she seemed to concede to his wishes, and told me. "You don't know
him, but he wants you to give a message to his wife. He says that they lived two
houses up from where you are living. He had just completely remodeled the
outside of his house, and then unexpectedly he had a heart attack and passed
over. That was about four months ago."
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"Do you know who this person?" she asked me.
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"Well I knew there was a house being remodeled two
doors up from me, but I didn't know and don't know the people. Although I had
heard that the husband had died unexpectedly."
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"Yes...yes," she said excitedly. "He is so excited and he
wonders if you will help him?"
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"How?" I asked.
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"Before he passed, neither he nor his wife, believed in life after
death. They felt that once you died, that was it. Nothing more. But now he sees
his wife weeping for him, and even though he has been desperately trying to
reach her, he can't get through to her. But he wants you to? tell her
something. For you to tell his wife, that life doesn't finish with death. That
he is still with her, even though she can't see him. Would you tell her
this?"?
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"I would be most embarrassed to go up to his wife
and tell her this, as I have already said, because? we don't even know one
another."
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"But you are not to tell her right away" the
psychic went on to tell me, "you are to wait, and when the time is right,
you will know that this is the right time."?
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After that, the session was over. It was interesting
but I really never took it very seriously. I simply came home and told my
husband about it. He quickly told me: "just forget about it. It is none of
your business."
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I agreed, and had no intention of every mentioning it.
But then about three months later, I was in front our house, taking groceries
out of the trunk of my car, when I noticed this woman from two doors up, walking
towards me. I could never recall talking to her before, but suddenly I heard a
distinct inner voice telling me. "Now is the time."
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As she came right up to me, I relayed the message that I had received at
the psychic's, from her husband. And she was so relieved and kept thanking me,
as she cried and cried, telling me, over and over again: "I just knew it. I
have been feeling his presence with me, and you just confirmed what I was
already feeling."
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But that is not really the end of the story. From then
on, I began hearing this inner voice. Nothing startling. Just little messages.
Like, take this route today, and then finding that on the other route, there had
been an accident ... things like that.? This went on for a few
months, when I read somewhere about a book called "A Course in
Miracles," and the voice in my head said: "this is where you will find
all the answers that you are seeking."
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As the voice was quite persistent, I went to our local new age bookstore
and indeed found such a book, or rather set of books, for they were in a set of
three, but the price seemed a little too steep.
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So I didn't buy it the first time, but the voice would not give up,
and? kept on insisting that these books held all the answers that I was
seeking.
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Finally I relented and purchased them. And was quite eager to look at these
books that held all the answers for me. And was completely shocked and turned
off, when I looked through them, and they seemed to be, nothing but a lot of
Christian mumbo jumbo. I can't tell you how turned off I was. Especially, I was
so angry at this voice that I had begun to think was so trustworthy.
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Every now and then I would try to look through the books, but I couldn't
make heads or tails of it. It almost seemed as though it was written in a
foreign language. This continued until the beginning of 1981, when I finally
relented,? by volunteering to give a year to this Course. A year in which I
would do the lessons, and try to understand the Text. And if it didn't work, I
would simply discard the books.
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All through that year, I also had the assurances of
this voice in my head. Helping me in other ways, besides working with the
Course. But then as the year came to an end, it seemed as though the voice just
left me, and now I still did not know what all of this meant, but for some
reason or other, I never doubted again, that this was to be my pathway home. And
that is my story, of how I found the Course.
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Peace Martha
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Re: Reincarnation Instant Breakfast
mstreet
开云体育Hi Linda:
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I loved hearing about all that you wrote. It reminded me of some similar
experiences I have had. It sure is nice to have a board like this, where we can
share. Not that I can remember other life times, but I was remembering things
that psychic's have told me that were absolutely uncanny.
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Love Martha :-)
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Re: "What is forgiveness? " (2)
mstreet
开云体育>>Yes - the body and world were made to be distractions from the true
source....that also ties in with the idea that there are no victims.? I'm
in a major struggle right now with this, specifically in thinking that something
in?my?childhood hurt me....I am so sick of it!?? The ego
really loves to be unhappy!? Talk about confusing joy &
pain...<<
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Hi Sue-chan:
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That is why I like forums like this (not that this is needed, but it
sometimes helps) but forums like this, where we can bring up, and look
at,? what our ego's would never want us to see. Sometimes just writing down
what is constantly buzzing around in my mind, then makes me stop a moment and
begin to question its validity. And then ask Jesus or the Holy Spirit to help me
look at this, from Their perspective.
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Right now, I am listening to Ken Wapnick talk about where he got the idea
of the three steps of forgiveness in lesson 23. The title of the lesson is,
"I can escape from the world I see by giving up attack thoughts."
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And maybe I will share what he saying in that place
which is in chapter five of that lesson.
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Ken: Paragraph five, is where I had originally derived
the three steps of forgiveness, that I used to teach a lot.
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(W-23.5.)
"The idea for today introduces the thought that you are not trapped in
the world you see, because its cause can be changed. This change requires,
first, that the cause be identified"
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Ken: In other words - the problem is not what is
outside in the world. The reason I am upset is not because of what my body is
doing, or not doing. Or what someone else's body is doing or not doing to me.
The cause of my upset is a decision I have made in my mind. That is the first
step.
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And then - there is the second step ..."Let go."
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What letting go means, I now ask Jesus or the Holy Spirit for help - that I
look at my guilt differently. The cause of the world and my attack thoughts
(another way to say my guilt) and I realize that just as my attack on you, was a
projection (it was made up) so was my attack on myself made up too. That I
remain as God created me.
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Nothing has changed who I am. So - letting go, means I let go of the guilt
and my attack thoughts, with the love of Jesus next to me. And the third step:
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"and then let go, so that it can be replaced."
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Ken: At the moment that I ask Jesus for help and I look at my guilt and my
attack thoughts with his love next to me, then in that instant he shines on the
guilt, and it is gone. My job is to bring the guilt to him. First the guilt I
have projected on to you. I bring that inside in my mind, and then the guilt
that is in my mind,? I bring to him. Which is - what looking means -and the
moment I do that, it is gone. Because I have accepted the love and light that
was always present..
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"The first two steps in this process require your cooperation. The
final one does not."
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Ken: Our job is simply (which is what a little
willingness reflects) - our job is to bring to him all our ego thoughts...the
ego thoughts we have projected out and made up about the world. And the ego
thoughts we have made up about ourselves.
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"Your images have already been replaced."
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Ken: So the line I quoted earlier from chapter 28,
"The world was over long ago." That everything that we believe is
already gone. We just believe it is here. That is why he refers to it as a
hallucination.
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"By taking the first two steps, you will see that this is
so."
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Ken: So what enables us to realize that the Principle of the Atonement is
true, and nothing else is, what enables us to do that - is to change our mind,
at what we were so sure that we were right about. That there is world out there
that hurts me. Victimizes me. And that is a defense against an inner world,
which is even more painful. I was wrong about the world outside, and I am wrong
about the world inside.
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Any way I hope this helps you Sue-chan, as it helps me
to rememer this for myself too.
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Love, Martha :-)
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Re: Reincarnation Instant Breakfast
Gary, you wrote this message June 12 asking about experiences with reincarnation. At the time I didn't feel moved to answer but as I read further in your book, on page 300 you wrote about Phineas Quimby and Mary Baker Eddy, and I had to laugh.
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On my 18th or 19th birthday my father took me to NYC and gave me a gift of a karmic reading with Neva Dell Hunter. This was around 1962. She was a channel for Dr. Ralph Gordon who said he had been Dr. Phineas Quimby in his last lifetime. When Neva Dell would go into a self-induced trance, he would announce himself as coming from the "5th plane and 17th chair". Purportedly he was on the level of the 7th plane, but he came down to the 5th plane to be able to communicate. This was all completely fascinating to me as a kid. The purpose of the reading was to give me information on lifetimes that touched upon?work I had chosen to do in this lifetime. The only famous purpose that I had had contact with as far as a teacher of God was Joseph in Egypt. I was also a Hebrew woman there. I became part of Neva Dell Hunter's inner circle. I had been brought up Unitarian, but my horizons expanded to include Unity thinking - science of the mind - mixed in with reincarnation. We developed
something called aura balancing. It helped me to listen inwardly and was helpful to me later. Later I got to know a number of spiritual and healing national and international leaders and found out behind the scenes that they are "human" and subject to anger and fears, etc. I had another "spiritual" karmic reading as I became more "advanced". I know longer have the tapes for these readings but some of the lifetimes I remember, and they have proven to be good allegories for me.
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Years later, my daughter and I were going through a difficult situation, and my husband/her father, who?"died" when she was 15 mos. old,?came through to talk to us. The medium he used was Psychic Circle - a board game. He told us we should not be playing with it, but that it was the only way he could contact us. He helped us at a time when we needed it the most dealing with problems we were having. At the same time he put my mind to rest about his death and moved me with his love. He told us about past lives we had had together. He told me I had been a teacher, and I was not surprised. In another we were married and farmers in England. He has not incarnated again yet as he says he is waiting for me. We also had contact with my father who was really bored without a body and anxious to be incarnated again. I was dubious at first that this was really my deceased husband, but when he answered correctly some questions in a way I had even forgotten, and seeing the mannerisms
of his speech, etc. I believed. For instance, I asked him the name of our goat. I had in mind the goat Sally, but he answered Katie. Turns out that Katie was the name of the other goat whose name I had forgotten. My daughter had been a baby, but it was she who was the medium for the answers. All this was great help for us. He gave us advice and told us things that were going to happen that did and helped us through a hard time. I realize this is all a dream within a dream. bit it helped us in a way we needed at the time in a way that we could relate to. I think of it sort of like Pursah and Arten coming to Gary in a form that helped that was a form he was comfortable with. It was a way of showing us that we were not alone - that we had help.
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If I use the metaphysics of the Course, I can recognize that there is no world. This means that not only is there no life that I think I see right now, but there is no death and living again with people I can remember in this lifetime nor is are there many lifetimes that I do not presently remember. And yet it is part of the illusion that is my classroom - other seeming segments - illusions within illusions for which I can be grateful for the lessons they teach which seen rightly are all a help to me. So I use these experiences I have as they come along, but part of the lesson, too, I think, is that they are no more special nor have any more meaning than the person I speak to on the elevator - or even don't speak to on the elevator. That is not to minimize at all, but to say how every moment holds a chance for the Atonement - a chance for seeing Christ's face.
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Linda
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Re: "What is forgiveness? " (2)
Sue-chan
Yes - the body and world were made to be distractions from the true source....that also ties in with the idea that there are no victims.? I'm in a major struggle right now with this,?specifically in thinking that something in?my?childhood hurt me....I am so sick of it!?? The ego really loves to be unhappy!? Talk about confusing joy & pain...
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Have not read the Disappearance book yet but?am expecting it any day now...
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thanks,
sue-chan?
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Re: "What is forgiveness? " (2)
mstreet
开云体育>>And that is why we made the world and body, so that we would be
unaware of the mind, and the only place where true change could
occur.?
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I am currantly listening to Ken Wapnick's talks on the workbook lessons,
and as Ossie said that they were reviewing Lesson 23 at the workshop that she
attended, and getting a lot of it, I thought I would do the same.
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And something that he just said, tied in with the thought I wrote above.
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Ken: "We are the dreamer of the dream, but we have forgotten that we
are the dreamer, and believe the dream is dreaming us."
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~ Martha :-)? ?
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Re: "What is forgiveness? " (2)
mstreet
开云体育>>Also, by holding grievances, we are also trying to be an
"effect" of someone else, who we are projecting "cause"
onto.<<??
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This also brought to my mind about how early on in the
Text, Jesus often talks about our upside down thinking, and how it needs to be
seen clearly, so they can be undone. It is also referred to in the
workbook.
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(W.72.8.3-4)
"Your upside-down perception has been ruinous to your peace of mind.
You have seen yourself in a body and the truth outside you, locked away from
your awareness by the body's limitations."?
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And that is why we made the world and body, so that we would be unaware of
the mind, and the only place where true change could occur.?
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I am merely writing this as a reminder to myself. Because I so easily
forget. :-)
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Peace Martha :-)? ??
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Re: "What is forgiveness? " (2)
mstreet
开云体育From: Sue-chan <suechantree@...>
>>Also, by holding grievances, we are also trying to be an "effect" of someone else, who we are projecting "cause" onto.? It's another way of trying to hold onto the concept of cause &effect in our minds.<< ?
Hi Sue-Chan:
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Yes... I think that is what the whole ego thought
system is about. Trying to reverse "cause and effect". By believing
that something or someone out there, is responsible for my lack of peace, and
then I get to being the innocent one. While in truth, I am merely repressing the
original guilt, and projecting it out. And making sure that it can never be
undone.
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Only by looking with Jesus or the Holy Spirit at what is truly going on,
without judgment, will I ever be able to let it go. And this is definately a
process. A life times process of forgiving what has not be done. :-)
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Peace Martha :-)
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