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On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 07:30:16 PM CST, carolehartigan <hart@...> wrote:

In this Oneness, God Is,? my question is:? Is there Consciousness??


***Not with a capital C which denotes God/ Heaven/ Christ/Oneness***? ?Is God conscious? Not going on the premise that consciousness is the 1st split.?? These words are opposites in ACIM terms.***??Is there consciousness in Heaven? Nope there's no ego split in Heaven.?
These words are synonymous in ACIM: God, Christ. Heaven, Love, Peace. Oneness
If God was consciousness we'd have to use the word "god" WITH A SMALL "g"? ?IT WOULD BE A SYNONYM FOR ego? ?;-)

In our right mind's here below HEAVEN, do we in fact have consciousness in the Holy Spirit?? Yet it is referred to as only a reflection of HEAVEN.? Is that what is referred to as Christ Consciousness, but still there is my question of before the tmi.?I was just speaking with a dear helper of mine and that question was answered beautifully. We recorded our talk together and? I can share what was said when I get the recording that was made. I want to write down our discussion either way. I just have to transcribe it. Memory wise it is possible I might forget. Give me a week or so. If I dont share it just please remind me. What I can say is that we did have a discussion re: the right mind and how it can be seen as consciousness that will lead to the dissolving of all thoughts. It's just that we hang onto egoic thoughts.?

It seems that consciousness is something that sees something, is aware of something; but still is not IT. Yes, the HS??can help us dissolve barriers to right minded thoughts. Though remember that all thoughts mean nothing.? The ego goes into panic mode (suspicious to vicious) when it senses we may ditch it for the HS. (eventually leading to the dropping ofconcepts)..Our thoughts/concepts can be looked at with the HS and we will observe when the ego goes from suspicious to vicios.Though it's all much ado about nothing. Ego struggles to keep our attention it so it doesn't disappear into the nothingness from which it came.? What I learned today is that one can simply observe the waves of ego response and sit with it. I have been encouraged to sit through that seeming battle where ego knows it is losing and goes from suspicious to vicious.? When the topic came up and i realized my homework was to sit and observe the thoughts and feelinhs which were showing up as feelongs of anxiiety and pains in the body that weren't there moments before...I was encouraged to simply observe the feelings and the thoughts.?

There is no section that I know of that uses the term God consciousness. You will not find that specific concept in ACIM.?
Here in this dream, as a split mind that has two parts, (ego vs. Holy Spirit) do we have that GOD consciousness in the Holy Spirit, yet it is still not HEAVEN/GOD.? I would have said "no" before my discussion today..
My goal is to sit in peace and yet watch when the ego starts going on and on with fearful thoughts, especially the ones that say, "I'll get this right." Ego knows it's days are numbered if we continue in this direction. So when? it distracts us with fear thoughts, feelings of panic and wants us to forget that the natural state of the mind is blank (lesson 8). So it is important to sit through that dark night of the soul. as best one can or simply take breaks as you observe the ego in action.


In his chart, Kenneth illustrates the line above the tmi with words such as? HEAVEN? ?MIND? ?GOD? ?CHRIST? UNITY? ?KNOWLEDGE? ? ? (all beautiful words to describe something that is indescrib
able) I am wondering if Kenneth taught that GOD is Consciousness.? ?I don't think Kenneth ever said that GOD 'has' consciousness because GOD couldn't have something that could be gotten.? ?GOD IS.? and GOD doesn't have something outside of WHAT GOD IS (no thoughts whatsoever.? So would it be closer to what Kenneth taught that GOD IS CONSCIOUSNESS? or is consciousness something other than GOD?? ;-
I hope this question and pondering makes sense.? I hear so many teachers talk about consciousness in the right Mind that reflects Holy Spirit, the memory of GOD, and that we all are consciousness in that Mind.

? Do we actually need those answers. In some ways they delay us from getting to the task at hand, which is sitting in the peace of God. When we do this many thoughhts (which are nothing but distractions will come up). Aches and pains and nassea may seem to live in the body. It most likely won't feel good. Bet can we sit with that a little longer to begin to know thoughts are nothing but a way to hold us in prison. Ever since this discussion 2 hours ago I am observing my mind trying to push away what we discussed. I was encouraged to sit with the sensations and? the part of my mind that wants to nopt feel anxious about a decision to sit with the feelings and thopughts. At some point I'll probably forget and move on with my ego day. My practice is to come back to the thoughts, and feelings and for a moment sit peace and watch the resistence that will be coming up for as long as it does. .?


T-23.II.22. Brother, take not one step in the descent to hell. 2 For having taken one, you will not recognize the rest for what they are. 3 And they [will] follow. 4 Attack in any form has placed your foot upon the twisted stairway that leads from Heaven. 5 Yet any instant it is possible to have all this undone. 6 How can you know whether you chose the stairs to Heaven or the way to hell? 7 Quite easily. 8 How do you feel? 9 Is peace in your awareness? 10 Are you certain which way you go? 11 And are you sure the goal of Heaven can be reached? 12 If not, you walk alone. 13 Ask, then, your Friend to join with you, and give you certainty of where you go.?

My new goal is to sit with those thoughts and observe how I feel.

LESSON 8.

My mind is preoccupied with past thoughts.
W-8.1. This idea is, of course, the reason why you see only the past. 2 No one really sees anything. 3 He sees only his thoughts projected outward. 4 The mind's preoccupation with the past is the cause of the misconception about time from which your seeing suffers. 5 Your mind cannot grasp the present, which is the only time there is. 6 It therefore cannot understand time, and cannot, in fact, understand anything.
W-8.2. The one wholly true thought one can hold about the past is that it is not here. 2 To think about it at all is therefore to think about illusions. 3 Very few have realized what is actually entailed in picturing the past or in anticipating the future. 4 The mind is actually blank when it does this, because it is not really thinking about anything.
W-8.3. The purpose of the exercises for today is to begin to train your mind to recognize when it is not really thinking at all. 2 While thoughtless ideas preoccupy your mind, the truth is blocked. 3 Recognizing that your mind has been merely blank, rather than believing that it is filled with real ideas, is the first step to opening the way to vision.
W-8.4. The exercises for today should be done with eyes closed. 2 This is because you actually cannot see anything, and it is easier to recognize that no matter how vividly you may picture a thought, you are not seeing anything. 3 With as little investment as possible, search your mind for the usual minute or so, merely noting the thoughts you find there. 4 Name each one by the central figure or theme it contains, and pass on to the next. 5 Introduce the practice period by saying:?

6 I seem to be thinking about ___.

W-8.5. Then name each of your thoughts specifically, for example:?

2 I seem to be thinking about [name of a person], about [name of an object], about [name of an emotion],?

and so on, concluding at the end of the mind-searching period with:?

3 But my mind is preoccupied with past thoughts.




But I seem to be delving into a space of experiencing consciousness in a space that is abstract and very silent and It has no thoughts; it's an empty 'no thing' experience; no thoughts are there but I'm conscious of the 'nothingness, which is expansively 'all',? ?and I wonder if this is another word for CONSCIOUSNESS.? ?

Perhaps no synonym is fine. ;-)? It's just another thought ;-)? ;-)


Just keep in mind this is not step one in our looking within. If we want to escape from sitting with peace and those? distractions keep popping up the practice can be sitting with the thoughts that are not of the HS and observing. One can observe running from the thoughts or sitting with the thoughts peacefully It's all good.

T-12.I.8. By applying the Holy Spirit's interpretation of the reactions of others more and more consistently, you will gain an increasing awareness that His criteria are equally applicable to you. 2 For to recognize fear is not enough to escape from it, although the recognition is necessary to demonstrate the need for escape. 3 The Holy Spirit must still translate the fear into truth. 4 If you were left with the fear, once you had recognized it, you would have taken a step away from reality, not towards it. 5 Yet we have repeatedly emphasized the need to recognize fear and face it without disguise as a crucial step in the undoing of the ego. 6 Consider how well the Holy Spirit's interpretation of the motives of others will serve you then. 7 Having taught you to accept only loving thoughts in others and to regard everything else as an appeal for help, He has taught you that fear itself is an appeal for help. 8 This is what recognizing fear really means. 9 If you do not protect it, He will reinterpret it. 10 That is the ultimate value in learning to perceive attack as a call for love. 11 We have already learned that fear and attack are inevitably associated. 12 If only attack produces fear, and if you see attack as the call for help that it is, the unreality of fear must dawn on you. 13 For fear [is] a call for love, in unconscious recognition of what has been denied.


T-18.IX.2. Be you not separate, for the One Who does surround it has brought union to you, returning your little offering of darkness to the eternal light. 2 How is this done? 3 It is extremely simple, being based on what this little kingdom really is. 4 The barren sands, the darkness and the lifelessness, are seen only through the body's eyes. 5 Its bleak sight is distorted, and the messages it transmits to you who made it to limit your awareness are little and limited, and so fragmented they are meaningless.

T-18.IX.3. From the world of bodies, made by insanity, insane messages seem to be returned to the mind that made it. 2 And these messages bear witness to this world, pronouncing it as true. 3 For you sent forth these messengers to bring this back to you. 4 Everything these messages relay to you is quite external. 5 There are no messages that speak of what lies underneath, for it is not the body that could speak of this. 6 Its eyes perceive it not; its senses remain quite unaware of it; its tongue cannot relay its messages. 7 Yet God can bring you there, if you are willing to follow the Holy Spirit through seeming terror, trusting Him not to abandon you and leave you there. 8 For it is not His purpose to frighten you, but only yours. 9 You are severely tempted to abandon Him at the outside ring of fear, but He would lead you safely through and far beyond.

T-18.IX.4. The circle of fear lies just below the level the body sees, and seems to be the whole foundation on which the world is based. 2 Here are all the illusions, all the twisted thoughts, all the insane attacks, the fury, the vengeance and betrayal that were made to keep the guilt in place, so that the world could rise from it and keep it hidden. 3 Its shadow rises to the surface, enough to hold its most external manifestations in darkness, and to bring despair and loneliness to it and keep it joyless. 4 Yet its intensity is veiled by its heavy coverings, and kept apart from what was made to keep it hidden. 5 The body cannot see this, for the body arose from this for its protection, which depends on keeping it not seen. 6 The body's eyes will never look on it. 7 Yet they will see what it dictates.

T-18.IX.5. The body will remain guilt's messenger, and will act as it directs as long as you believe that guilt is real. 2 For the reality of guilt is the illusion that seems to make it heavy and opaque, impenetrable, and a real foundation for the ego's thought system. 3 Its thinness and transparency are not apparent until you see the light behind it. 4 And then you see it as a fragile veil before the light.?

T-18.IX.6. This heavy-seeming barrier, this artificial floor that looks like rock, is like a bank of low dark clouds that seem to be a solid wall before the sun. 2 Its impenetrable appearance is wholly an illusion. 3 It gives way softly to the mountain tops that rise above it, and has no power at all to hold back anyone willing to climb above it and see the sun. 4 It is not strong enough to stop a button's fall, nor hold a feather. 5 Nothing can rest upon it, for it is but an illusion of a foundation. 6 Try but to touch it and it disappears; attempt to grasp it and your hands hold nothing.

T-18.IX.7. Yet in this cloud bank it is easy to see a whole world rising. 2 A solid mountain range, a lake, a city, all rise in your imagination, and from the clouds the messengers of your perception return to you, assuring you that it is there. 3 Figures stand out and move about, actions seem real, and forms appear and shift from loveliness to the grotesque. 4 And back and forth they go, as long as you would play the game of children's make-believe. 5 Yet however long you play it, and regardless of how much imagination you bring to it, you do not confuse it with the world below, nor seek to make it real.

T-18.IX.8. So should it be with the dark clouds of guilt, no more impenetrable and no more substantial. 2 You will not bruise yourself against them in traveling through. 3 Let your Guide teach you their unsubstantial nature as He leads you past them, for beneath them is a world of light whereon they cast no shadows. 4 Their shadows lie upon the world beyond them, still further from the light. 5 Yet from them to the light their shadows cannot fall.

T-18.IX.9. This world of light, this circle of brightness is the real world, where guilt meets with forgiveness. 2 Here the world outside is seen anew, without the shadow of guilt upon it. 3 Here are you forgiven, for here you have forgiven everyone. 4 Here is the new perception, where everything is bright and shining with innocence, washed in the waters of forgiveness, and cleansed of every evil thought you laid upon it. 5 Here there is no attack upon the Son of God, and you are welcome. 6 Here is your innocence, waiting to clothe you and protect you, and make you ready for the final step in the journey inward. 7 Here are the dark and heavy garments of guilt laid by, and gently replaced by purity and love.
T-18.IX.10. Yet even forgiveness is not the end. 2 Forgiveness does make lovely, but it does not create. p395 3 It is the source of healing, but it is the messenger of love and not its Source. 4 Here you are led, that God Himself can take the final step unhindered, for here does nothing interfere with love, letting it be itself. 5 A step beyond this holy place of forgiveness, a step still further inward but the one [you] cannot take, transports you to something completely different. 6 Here is the Source of light; nothing perceived, forgiven nor transformed. 7 But merely known.
T-18.IX.11. This course will lead to knowledge, but knowledge itself is still beyond the scope of our curriculum. 2 Nor is there any need for us to try to speak of what must forever lie beyond words. 3 We need remember only that whoever attains the real world, beyond which learning cannot go, will go beyond it, but in a different way. 4 Where learning ends there God begins, for learning ends before Him Who is complete where He begins, and where there [is] no end. 5 It is not for us to dwell on what cannot be attained. 6 There is too much to learn. 7 The readiness for knowledge still must be attained.
T-18.IX.12. Love is not learned. 2 Its meaning lies within itself. 3 And learning ends when you have recognized all it is [not.] 4 That is the interference; that is what needs to be undone. 5 Love is not learned, because there never was a time in which you knew it not. 6 Learning is useless in the Presence of your Creator, Whose acknowledgment of you and yours of Him so far transcend all learning that everything you learned is meaningless, replaced forever by the knowledge of love and its one meaning.
T-18.IX.13. Your relationship with your brother has been uprooted from the world of shadows, and its unholy purpose has been safely brought through the barriers of guilt, washed with forgiveness, and set shining and firmly rooted in the world of light. 2 From there it calls to you to follow the course it took, lifted high above the darkness and gently placed before the gates of Heaven. 3 The holy instant in which you and your brother were united is but the messenger of love, sent from beyond forgiveness to remind you of all that lies beyond it. 4 Yet it is through forgiveness that it will be remembered.

T-18.IX.14. And when the memory of God has come to you in the holy place of forgiveness you will remember nothing else, and memory will be as useless as learning, for your only purpose will be creating. 2 Yet this you cannot know until every perception has been cleansed and purified, and finally removed forever. 3 Forgiveness removes only the untrue, lifting the shadows from the world and carrying it, safe and sure within its gentleness, to the bright world of new and clean perception. p396 4 There is your purpose [now.] 5 And it is there that peace awaits you.



thanks for any of your mind's thoughts on consciousness

Humbly, Carole H.

thanks as well for your questions on consciousness

Humbly, Marcy

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