Yes Gary I did the ground on RFC505? when looking at the
frequency on the counter and it does drop a lot. So I guess you
are saying the High VCO is oscillating at 1.3 MHz . If that is the
case there must be something wrong on that board unless the info
it gets is wrong. Hope this helps.
73, Jim VE1RB
On 2024-12-31 18:06, Gary Follett via
groups.io wrote:
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I don¡¯t know how it can read 1.3 MHz if not oscillating¡
Yes, the lo band VCO should change frequency if you pill
RFC502 to ground, pulling the varactor drive from ~21 volts to
zero volts.
Gary
W0DVN
Do
you mean on the low VCO will drop as I don¡¯t think the
high VCO is oscillating as it reads 1.3 mhz and dies not
change when I put a ground on RFC 505. Also those
voltages on the test pint do not change when the I
change from the low VCO to the high one. I will test
again.?
Jim
VE1RB
On Tue, Dec 31, 2024
at 3:33?PM Gary Follett via ??<xntrick1948= [email protected]>
wrote:
Those
voltages will inly read correctly if the PLL loop
is closed. Do you have enough extenders to put the
radio into operating condition?
The way you have it operating, the output at
the test point is simply ramping up to the
maximum that can be produced by U504 in an open
loop condition.
However, the high band VCO should also go
high in frequency with ~21 volts on RFC505.
I assume that, if you short RFC502 (lo band
VCO) to ground, the frequency you read drops
from the 65 MHz quite a lot.
Gary
W0DVN?
Hi Gary, I did the ground on RFC505
and no change except that the voltage
goes very low of course going through
a 100K resistor. The frequency counter
shows 1.3 MHz on the output of the VCO
when it is on 10 or 15 meters. When I
switch to 14 MHz it pops up to 65 MHz
but it is not connect to the
translator board just plugged into my
extenders.? I did a voltage check at
the test point off of CR515, CR516,
CR517, and CR518 and here is what I
got, Way off.
1.5 MHZ 21.24 VDC Looks like it
should be 3 volts. the photocopy is
heard to read.
14.0 MHz 21.20 VDC Looks like it
should be maybe 15 volts
21.0 MHZ 21.17 VDC and looks like it
should be 6 Volts
29.5 MHZ 21.15 VDC and looks like it
should be 14.5 volts
Maybe I am way off Gary but hope that
maybe that helps. Almost looks like
something it shorted? I don't know
where to go next so any help
appreciated. Thanks.
73, Jim VE1RB
On 2024-12-30 13:42, Gary Follett
via??wrote:
That is WAY too
high!!
The maximum that should be seen
at this point is ~15 volts, the high
end of 10 meters. 20 volts here
would push the VCO to its maximum
frequency, if it is running at all.?
Is there any RF signal coming out
of the VCO? You may have answered
this previously but I seem to have
forgotten the answer. If there IS
RF, here, what is its frequency?
Something is telling the PLL
phase detector to put out a voltage
thinking that the frequency is too
low, which is why the voltage on
RFC505 is so high.
Can you short RFC505 cold end to
ground? This SHOULD make the VCO, if
it is operating, go to the low end
of its range in frequency. This
point is fed via a 100K resistor
from U504B so this will not hurt
anything.
Gary
W0DVN
PS: Not taking into account C516
and C517, I had previously stated
that voltage across the tuning
diodes depended one the voltage at
Q504 Drain. This was an error on my
part. Those two capacitors isolate
the DC on the tuning diodes from the
Drain of the oscillator FET.
Cn you short?
Gary
I just checked that voltage
again with the band switch
on 10 meters and the DC
voltage at that RFC505 is
20.52 DC. Hope that helps.
Jim VE1RB
On Sun,
Dec 29, 2024 at 8:37?PM
Gary Follett via ??<xntrick1948= [email protected]> wrote:
What is the voltage
on RFC 505?
Gary
W0DVN
Worked
on the VCO
board today
and founds
that the 5
volt regulator
is working
just fine 5.02
VDC. So am
thinking about
it trying to
decide what I
check next.
Might make a
chart of
voltages on
the
transistors
from the
working one
and compare to
the non
working
section.
73, Jim
Ve1RB
On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 11:08?PM Gary Follett via ??<xntrick1948= [email protected]>
wrote:
The power
supply that is
the subject of
this issue is
the 7805
regulator on
the VCO board.
That is the
one that
denies power
to just the
one VCO (high
bands, in this
case) when it
fails.
Regards,
Gary
W0DVN
On Dec
28, 2024, at
8:28?PM, Tony
N5DIM < tony@...> wrote:
The
WB4HFN website
has a section
with great
information
related to
that power
supply board.
I just used it
to resurrect a
TR7 that was
DOA. Good
luck. 73 Tony
N5DIM?
On
Dec 28, 2024,
at 5:52?PM,
Gary Follett
via??<xntrick1948=[email protected]>
wrote:
?Sounds
like you are
on the right
track. Don¡¯t
ocelot the
electrolytic
capacitors on
that supply as
well.
Gary
W0DVN
Gary,
I found a few
minutes to
work on the
TR7 and
discovered
that the high
VCO is not
working at
all. It does
have the 10
vdc supply
switch?on it
but I don't
know if that
reulagor?is
working or
not. I will
check it out
but have to
work on
getting the
metal shield
off. I Hope
that is the
problem but I
will work on
it maybe
tomorrow.
Thanks for all
your help.
73, Jim
VE1RB
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 9:06?PM Gary Follett via ??<xntrick1948= [email protected]>
wrote:
It is
worth asking,
did the
failure of
your VCO board
(displaying
51.950) occur
on its own?
That is to
ask, did the
radio work
properly and
then just fail
or has it, as
long as you
have had it,
always
operated with
this fault??
If it
once worked
for you and
then failed,
then it would
make sense to
see what gets
disconnected
if those pins
are not in
line ?and look
for a way that
same thing
could happen
without the
pin alignment
problem.
The pin
alignment fix
is pretty easy
though, if the
board
alignment is
the cause. It
just SOUNDS
difficult.
That
whole DR7 was
always a
source of
issues due to
its complexity
and difficulty
of
installation.
I don¡¯t know
how a DR7
could even
endure the
stresses of
removal and
reinsertion
more than
once!
Gary?
W0DVN
Thanks
Tom. I printed
that off but
hope that is
not the
problem.
73, Jim
VE1RB
In 2010
there was a
thread
regarding the
Drake TR-7
display
showing
51950.0 on the
old retired
Drakelist.
The
thread is
archived at?
Please
click the link
so the owner
knows that we
find the
archive
useful.
Hope this
helps.
Tom, AG9X
================?
Below are
the posts from
Brian Koontz
WA3ITE, Jim
Shorney NU0C
and Garey
Barrell K4OAH
(SK)?
(just in
case Drake
TR-7 DR-7
problems
outlive the??site)
Re:
[Drakelist]
Almost there:
TR-7 display
issues --
FIXED!
Brian Koontz
Fri, 30 Jul
2010 20:36:54
-0700
Well, the TR-7
from hell is
now a fully
operational
TR-7 from
hell!
In preparation
for some
signal
tracing, I
decided to
extend the
DR-7
board using
the extenders
I have.? To do
this, you have
to unmount the
two voltage
regulators
mounted to the
chassis, and
jumper the
connector
farthest to
the right. ?(I
didn't bother
connecting the
up/down band
buttons.) ?Lo
and behold,
the display
worked!?
Some further
investigation
revealed that
the chassis
has warped
over
the years, so
the two
3-prong
connectors on
the VCO board
were no
longer in a
horizontal
line.? So I
was determined
to make sure
the
board was
fully seated
on all the
connectors.
To do this, I
had to drop
the front
panel.? Not a
major chore,
just
one knob to
remove (the
band knob) and
6 side screws.
With that now
out of the
way, it was an
easy job to
determine if
all the pins
were
where they
belonged.? The
only snag was
that the front
panel, when
canted
downwards,
angles the PTO
can upwards.?
So you have to
hold the
front panel
perpendicular
and steady
with slight
downward
pressure to
fully seat the
board.? Once
all the pins
were visually
confirmed to
be
seated, I
remounted the
front panel,
reattached the
regulators and
all
the
connectors,
and fired the
rig up.?
Everything now
seems to work!
It turns out
the original
DR-7 board was
indeed
defective as
well
(possibly
because it had
been seated
incorrectly).?
And a visual
confirmation
from topside
indicates the
chassis is,
indeed,
warped:
The screw hole
is misaligned
with the
mounting hole
in the board.?
So, for
archival
purposes in
case anyone
else decides
to search for
this problem:
?If the
display if
fixed on
"51950", one
possible cause
is that one or
more DR-7
pins, possibly
the VCO pins,
are not
correctly
seated.? The
best solution
is to drop the
front panel
and
confirm
visually that
the pins are
fully seated.
Now it's time
to get on the
air!
??--Brian/WA3ITE
=================?
Jim
Shorney Fri,
30 Jul 2010
23:17:58 -0700
On Fri, 30 Jul
2010 20:40:52
-0500, Brian
Koontz wrote:
>Well, the
TR-7 from hell
is now a fully
operational
TR-7 from
hell!
>
>Now it's
time to get on
the air!
Congratulations, Brian! You have been assimilated into the collective.
Resistance is
futile.
73
-Jim
=================
?
Garey
Barrell ?k4oah@...?via ?
Sat, Jul 31,
2010, 8:34?AM
to drakelist
Brian Koontz
wrote:
> Some
further
investigation
revealed that
the chassis
has warped
over
> the
years, so the
two 3-prong
connectors on
the VCO board
were no
> longer in
a horizontal
line.? So I
was determined
to make sure
the
> board was
fully seated
on all the
connectors.
>
>
>
> So, for
archival
purposes in
case anyone
else decides
to search for
> this
problem: ?If
the display is
fixed on
"51950", one
possible cause
> is that
one or more
DR-7 pins,
possibly the
VCO pins, are
not
> correctly
seated.? The
best solution
is to drop the
front panel
and
> confirm
visually that
the pins are
fully seated.
>
Brian -
Congratulations!! ? It's always nice when one 'comes together'.
Just as an
aside, someone
suggested
earlier (and
correctly)
that the
"51950"
problem may
indicate a
loss of the
500 kHz
reference
signal.?
You might find
it interesting
that the
left-most
three pin
connector on
the VCO board
is the 500 kHz
reference
signal!
Those pins on
the bottom of
the DR-7 are
ALWAYS a
problem, ya'
just
can't see
'em!!
Your 'trials'
have been an
interesting
'trip' for
others, thanks
for
documenting it
for us all.
73, Garey -
K4OAH
Glen Allen, VA
Drake 2-B,
4-B,
C-Line&
?TR-4/C
Service
Supplement CDs
<>
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