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Hello all Unfortunately, there were a few inflammatory posts lately. I'd like to remind everyone to be considerate of all group members. Treat others the way you want to be treated. If you disagree with something in a post, respond to the subject and not the person. Snide remarks, personal attacks, criticism, and flaming are never permitted. Please keep this group friendly and helpful. Thank you. Lynne [email protected]
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Hello all When replying to a message, please keep on the same topic as the original message. If you are writing about something different, create a new message with a relevant subject line. Otherwise, it leads to confusion and messages with the wrong subject line have to be manually renamed and rearranged in the group's message archives. Thanks! Lynne
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Hello all We've had some extremely, shall I say, "enthusiastic" posts lately. The exchanges have been very interesting indeed! Please continue on, but do remember that if you disagree with something in a post, respond to the subject and not the person. Treat others the way you want to be treated and be considerate of all group members. Snide remarks, personal attacks and criticism are never permitted. Please keep this group a friendly and helpful one. One member seemed to suggest that because of it's advanced topic, the recent discussion might be outside the remit of this group. Allow me to reassure you that nothing DNA-related is too advanced nor too basic for this group. Way back when the group was hosted by RootsWeb, nearly everyone was a DNA newbie. The name of the group should have been changed to something more general when it moved to Groups.io, but there was a bit of a rush to get the group started here, so not a lot of thought was put into the name at that time. There are a few hoops to jump through in order to change a group name. One day when I get a bit of extra time I might work on that. Thank you for your cooperation and participation! Enjoy the group! Lynne [email protected]
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How Old Are You?
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The blog below, written by our good friend John Marsden and posted on the Manchester & Lancashire FHS web site, addresses ages found in the 1851 UK census, but it is relevant to researchers everywhere who are depending on an age written on any old document. How Old Are You? Written by John B. MARSDEN on 07 April 2025. How old are you? How many hundreds of times have you had to answer this question? Through our lives it has governed when we received childhood vaccinations, when we started (and left) school, when we could first drink, get a driving licence and marry. Then, later, it dictates when we can receive our pension and possibly a free television licence. We are asked our birthdate whenever we interact with government or the health service, whenever we want to borrow money or open a savings account or get a credit card. If necessary, we can prove our age by producing a birth certificate. So we are really familiar with our birth date and have little difficulty when asked our age every ten years when the census comes around. Simpler times But now transport yourself back to 1851. You are a man or woman in late middle age, married with children and grandchildren and faced with the census form. How old are you? The situation 174 years ago was very different. You have had very little interaction with authority throughout your life. The little schooling you received (if any) was not dependent on your age and you started work when strong and responsible enough to hold down a job. Save money? Chance would be a fine thing! A pension? This would not be a reality for another 58 years; you expect to work until you are no longer able, like every generation before you. How old are you? You have never really had any cause to think of this. In truth you don't really know and don't really care. When your grandchildren were born a few years ago you remember your son having to register the births and he got a birth certificate which provided a record of the date, but when you were born, the only record was the baptism register in the parish where you were born, but since moving to Manchester as a child, you have never been back there and certainly are not going to make the long journey just to get a copy of the register entry. You can't ask your parents if they can remember; they have been in the churchyard for many years. You remember that they recorded these matters in a family bible, but this passed down to your older brother and disappeared when he died a few years ago. You'll just have to guess. Perhaps you think back and remember that the Peterloo massacre happened just before you got married and you know that was in 1819 and you would have been about 20 years old then, so perhaps you were born around 1800 so you are about 49 to 50 years old. The form does not have space to accommodate "About 50" so you simply enter "50". What does it really matter? There is nobody who will dispute this. Where is the evidence for this? This proposition may seem fanciful, but consider the chart below. The data shows ages recorded in the 1851 census and is taken from the data transcribed from the Unfilmed returns for Manchester. The curves show for each age the number of persons recorded with that age; men are shown in blue, women in orange. The curves show a population which is substantially under the age of 40 but with a distribution which tails off progressively with relatively few people over the age of 80, as might be expected. But what is immediately obvious is that far from showing a smooth distribution, there are marked peaks at ages 30, 40, 50 and 60 with a smaller one at 70 and a "ripple" at 80. Ages of 10 and 20 do not show the same peaks. This would support the proposition that older people, born before the start of civil birth registration, were uncertain about their dates of birth and tended to gravitate towards the nearest multiple of ten which they felt was appropriate to their impression of their age. It is noticeable that the same peaks apply to both men and women but also that the peaks for women's ages are distinctly more marked
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Birth dates in England
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As far as birthdays are concerned, you will see in my article that even in the early part of the 19th century they were not even recorded. Nor were the maiden names of mothers. This all serves to complicate research in England. Some priests did record the birth date on registers, later. This is why most British researchers are so sceptical of the claims of descent from nobility and royalty seen from some non UK researchers. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15NAQde7Mp/
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The Family History Show - Liverpool - Saturday 3 May
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The Family History Show - Liverpool - Saturday 3 May From 10am to 4pm, spend the day at Aintree Racecourse, Liverpool, L9 5AS on Saturday 3 May 2025 at The Family History Show. This event, sponsored by The Genealogist and organised by Discover Your Ancestors Magazine, features an early bird ticket offer ¨C Buy two tickets for ?14. Buy your tickets in advance and save ¨C You will also get a free goody bag on entry worth ?15. As usual there are Ask the Experts sessions with: Nick Barratt, Historian, Author & Professional Genealogist; Jackie Depelle, Family History Tutor and Speaker, and Debbie Kennett, a DNA Expert. For full details and to obtain the early bird offer, please click the link: https://thefamilyhistoryshow.com/liverpool/ -- Lynne
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Findmypast discounts
From Findmypast: Findmypast is offering discounts on all subscriptions to help family historians uncover their family¡¯s wartime journey from the eve of war to victory for less Offers range from 30% to 50% off Findmypast¡¯s most popular subscriptions Uncover your ancestors¡¯ vital role on the Home Front in the 1939 Register and Women¡¯s Land Army records and their service and sacrifice in millions of military records Delve deeper into newspapers to uncover the events great and small that affected their lives and communities during the war ¨C or even the stories of their own actions Hurry ¨C offer ends 22 April 2025 Findmypast is giving family history enthusiasts the opportunity to delve deeper into their family¡¯s wartime experiences for as little as ?6.99 per month. From now to April 22nd, Findmypast is offering two subscription deals, helping researchers uncover their family¡¯s life on the path to Victory 80 years ago. You can now delve into the details of your family tree for a full year with 50% off all annual subscriptions. For those wanting greater flexibility, Findmypast is offering 30% off all 1-month, 3-month and 6-month subscriptions. Whether you're just starting your family history journey or looking to dig deeper into your roots, Findmypast¡¯s vast collection of historical records, exclusive UK and Irish resources, and advanced search tools offer everything you need to discover the lives of your ancestors at this pivotal moment. Start with the 1939 Register ¨C a census taken just before the start of the Second World War ¨C to uncover where your ancestors were living and what they were doing on the eve of war. You might even discover their voluntary roles on the Home Front as the nation prepared for conflict in the Civilian Occupation data exclusive to Findmypast. Trace their experiences through billions of records, including military, POW, Women¡¯s Land Army, parish records, and more. Then delve into Findmypast¡¯s treasure trove of over 90 million historical newspapers to understand the stories and experiences of your family, community and the nation ¨C as they happened. Offer Details: 30% off 1-month subscription packages 50% off Annual subscription Offer valid from April 11th to April 22nd 2025, Ts&Cs apply. Don¡¯t miss out on this limited-time opportunity to explore your family¡¯s history with Findmypast at an unbeatable price. Simply visit Findmypast.co.uk and sign up for your preferred subscription package. The Easter offer will automatically apply at checkout. -- Lynne
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JOIN OUR VIRTUAL NATIONAL DNA DAY CELEBRATION - SATURDAY, 26 APRIL 2025
Hi, The GU272 Descendants Association invites you to attend our free virtual 2025 National DNA Day celebration featuring Daniel Horowitz, MyHeritage's Genealogy Expert, who will present "MyHeritage DNA 101: From Taking the Test to Understanding the Results," explaining how to use bleeding-edge technology to find your roots. The lecture will livestream on Zoom on Saturday, 26 April 2025, starting at 10:00 am, Eastern Time. Space is limited. Register here: https://forms.gle/t2vArrKbBeo3vUbD8 See the attached flier. You will receive the Zoom link via the email you provided 24 hours before the start of the event. Note: This event will be recorded and shared on the Association's YouTube Channel. Please submit any questions you may have about the event to certify@... . -- Mr. Shannon S. Christmas http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonchristmas/
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If you are planning to change Ancestry. com subscriptions....
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Hi all, I recently signed on with a friend to a "family plan" which is an excellent deal if there are enough people sharing the cost. Here is Ancestry's official help page about it: https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Ancestry-Family-Plan-Memberships. I was not fully aware of what cancelling my current plan would do, and have some suggestions about what you might want to consider and actions you can take in advance to make the transition easier if you decide to do it. First, if you use the Chrome browser and Gmail, as I do, it is possible to create an alternate form of your email which Ancestry.com will accept as "new" for the purposes of creating a new account. There is now way to seamlessly transfer the account you now have to the new plan, which is unfortunate. The email I used before was "valorie.zimmerman@...." The "new" one is "ValorieZimmerman+Ancestry@...." I don't know if other email providers have an equivalent way that Ancestry accepts, but I do have a new working account with that longer email. But, I immediately lost access to my old account once I clicked "cancel" and accepted my invitation. This is not what I expected, since normally when you cancel, it only means that it will not auto-renew. All was not lost, though! The next day I visited a friend who offered to help me with my Swedish research; I'm 1/4 Swedish. When I opened my travel laptop to Ancestry.com, it was logged into my old account! So it was Chrome locking me out, not Ancestry. Had I tried logging in after cancelling from a different browser, I could have done then what I have done today, using that little laptop. 1. Create a document accessible everywhere you will need it with the details of your account. 2. Download a gedcom of each of your trees. 3. download your DNA data, and that of any other kits you manage. 4. Invite your new account as editor to your old trees; make your old account an editor of your new tree as well. 5. Make your new account Manager of each DNA kit over which you have control, including your own. It is possible that making a tiny new tree is good enough, and leaving your DNA kits linked to your old tree would be fine, once you are editor using your new account. But I had already uploaded an old gedcom, and since I have ProTools, I can use that to merge duplicate profiles, check for other errors, etc. So far, so good there. It did mean I needed to re-invite some folks to the new tree. I named my new tree ZimmermanCowanNew so I wouldn't confuse them. Old one is named ZimmermanCowan11-11-2017. One wrinkle is that the Valorie Zimmerman who manages the DNA kit of Valorie Zimmerman, is not seen by Ancestry as the tester. I don't know if this will make a difference long-term or not. And I don't know what will happen with messages sent to my old account once it reverts to "free account" status. I have a feeling I may have to buy a new kit in order to get those cool new DNA hints in the tree and profiles. Has anyone else done this? If so, did you have a different experience? I would be interested to hear about it. All the best, Valorie -- she/her. "Dwell on the beauty of life. Watch the stars, and see yourself running with them." - Marcus Aurelius
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my review of My Heritage
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From what I wrote to the CEO of My Heritage - who I realize probably doesn't care. I took advantage of your free two week trial, and here is why I won¡¯t be subscribing to My Heritage. I don¡¯t think I¡¯ve ever seen such a poor product get so much hype. 1. You have to subscribe by the year, not the month. I will never have $300 or whatever to spare in the same month. Right there I will never subscribe to My Heritage. I live in a senior citizen community, and noone here has that kind of money to spare! Every other genetic and genealogical research utility lets one subscribe by the month. Not having that option is costing you far too much money for any argument about it not being worthwhile to do so to possibly apply. 2. Peoples' trees have little information like dates and places. 2a.You have to research each person in the tree individually and then you don't get much information. 2b. There is especially little information on matches oversees - like WHERE in Germany are they from. Like, if I know my ancestor came from Wuerttemberg, I have to bring up a long list of all DNA matches "from" Germany. Wastes HUMUNGUS time. It's extremely stupid. 3. You can't search for matches born in specific places, like towns, cities, states, regions of Germany. 4. Your chromosome browser is hard to use. Much more useful would be simply downloading the whole thing and then you can research everyone who shares the same piece of DNA. Instead one has to do an extremely lengthy workaround. 5. The cluster tool is weak. By starting at 50 cM, it gets only a few of the clusters that actually exist, and no clusters I didn't apparently know about, except the segment on chromosome 12 that has never drawn my attention before but seems to be my most connected German segment at My Heritage. People need to be able to set what minimum and maximum cluster size they want. 6. The cluster tool may also be hoaky. That most connected German segment's people have three clusters, count them, three. Something is wrong there. These are people who all share with me the same DNA segment. 7. When I research individual people WAAAAAY less source material on them comes up than would come up in Ancestry. In fact usually only other peoples¡¯ trees with similar people come up, no primary sources with more information, like the census, or findagrave, or obituaries, or in Germany, church and civil birth, marriage and death records. It looks as if My Heritage does not have anything resembling the material Ancestry does, and if it is there there is no apparent way to find it. At Ancestry it just all comes up if you research the person. If it is there it's useless when it is not found when researching people. In fact, I took screenshots of a lot of trees to research later on Ancestry, which I also would have had to do if I'd done the $300 subscription. Yours, Dora Smith
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DNA Painter
You can join for free You can use tools, not all. Subscibe to the newsletters and you get more info on whats happening in blogs and other places and links. If you subscribe, you have access to all and to upload more trees. Tools: WATO, what are the odds, investigates how someone may fit into a tree Shares SM tools CM Estimator coverage Chromosome mapping, map segments to ancestors inferred ancestors visualie your direct line figure out how you are related to a dna match free webinars blogs advice and help ( I emailed and got responses to my questions) It does not provide documents eg birth certificates etc like the others do. From DNA Painter website: "You do not upload your raw DNA to DNA Painter; the only data you need is the segment data for the DNA you share with a match!" I have not used it much on the freebie version, and not at all yet on my subscripton version. Time is never on my side. At the price, I think it offers value for money, but it has its own functions, some overlapping on tools to other sites. Is it better? I cannot say with limited use. Though Johnny does a lot of work on his tools. I am happy to support someone not affiliated with any DNA testing company. Lynn Cheshire Cat in OZ
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Books for sale by Liverpool & SW Lancashire FHS
Along with many family history societies nowadays we are reducing our stocks of printed publications. The list shown here is on sale for the UK market only, however members from overseas may email publications@... to check on the additional postage cost for overseas. Note: I don't know if non-members from overseas can buy books. -- LK We will not be getting any more of these publications, so when they¡¯re gone, they¡¯re gone. Books for sale Title Price Annals of the Poor ?3.30 Basic Facts About Using Education Records ?2.80 Basic Facts About Using Wills after 1858 ?2.30 Civil Registration of Births Marriages and Deaths ?3.30 Family History From Newspapers ?3.30 Finding Out About Your Family History ?4.30 How to Locate and Use Manorial Records ?3.05 Interviewing Elderly Relatives ?3.30 Manorial Records ?3.30 No Time For Family History ?3.30 Professionals and Gentlemen ?3.30 Quarter Sessions, Your Ancestor & The Law ?3.30 Sources for Family History in the Home ?3.30 Tracing Your Catholic Ancestry in England ?4.30 ALL PRICES INCLUDE UK POSTAGE. Check out our other items in the shop at https://store.lswlfhs.org.uk/home -- Lynne
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Ancestry USA Live Virtual Events: Genealogy experts share insider tips!
Including tips for finding your female ancestors, ways to jump-start your family tree, and spring cleaning your family tree. VIRTUAL EVENT SERIES Spring into action with free virtual events. This month, reveal the ¡°hidden¡± female ancestors in your family tree. Also, get beginner-friendly tips from the pros on how to build your tree and keep it organized. What's happening in April ProGenealogists - Finding Your Hidden Female Ancestors Researching female ancestors can be challenging due to name changes, lack of legal records, and historical biases that often obscured women's identities. We will explore strategies to bring these "hidden" ancestors¡¯ stories to light. Level: Intermediate Date: Wednesday, April 2 Time: 10:00 AM PDT / 11:00 AM MDT / 1:00 PM EDT Host: Angie Bush Register now Family Tree Building 101 Whether you¡¯re starting from scratch or have a few names already, this beginner-friendly webinar is part of a monthly series that will show you how to uncover, organize, and share your family stories with confidence on the 2nd Wednesday of every month. Level: Beginner Date: Wednesday, April 9 Time: 10:00 AM PDT / 11:00 AM MDT / 1:00 PM EDT Host: Crista Cowan Register now Spring Cleaning Your Family Tree Is your family tree a bit overgrown with inconsistencies, duplicates, and missed connections? Join Ancestry Corporate Genealogist, Crista Cowan, for practical tips to transform your genealogy research from chaotic to organized! Level: All Date: Wednesday, April 23 Time: 10:00 AM PDT / 11:00 AM MDT / 1:00 PM EDT Host: Crista Cowan Register now Can¡¯t attend but still interested? Click here to watch the recording and see other past events. Support Center Get the App View this email online Email Preferences Privacy Statement Terms and Conditions ?2025 ANCESTRY Ancestry.com Operations, L.P. 1300 W. Traverse Parkway, Lehi, UT 84043, USA -- Lynne
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WikiTree Reaches 500,000 Connected African-American Profiles
From Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter WikiTree Reaches 500,000 Connected African-American Profiles Apr 2nd 2025, 22:05 The following is a press release from WikiTree: April 2, 2025 ¨C WikiTree, the free, community-driven genealogy platform, has reached a groundbreaking milestone: 500,000 interconnected African-American family members. It is the largest public free database of connected African-American families. This achievement reflects the ongoing dedication of thousands of genealogists, volunteers, and researchers who are working together to connect Black families across generations and break through historical barriers in research caused by slavery, migration, and record loss. ¡°When we started the US Black Heritage Project in 2020, I had no idea we would come this far this quickly,¡± said project leader Emma MacBeath, ¡°but thanks to the help of all of WikiTree, we've not only met all of our goals, but far exceeded them. What this database means to us is easy access to accurate family tree information for all descendants. It means reconnecting many families in a tree who haven't been connected for many generations.¡± The US Black Heritage Project has an extraordinary offer: volunteers will help any African-American research their family tree. -- Lynne
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What or who got you hooked on genealogy?
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This is not an April Fools joke, but could be the start of a monthly theme. Something or someone prompted you to start your family research. What was it? For me it was finding some ancestors on a passenger list, including a photo of the ship on which they sailed. I was astounded that information could be found on the web. The passenger list seemed to confirm what my great great Aunt Maria had told me: she and other members of the family went back and forth across the Atlantic several times. That piqued my curiosity. The family I found were a generation before my aunt. Did they also go back and forth? Could I find other members of the family on passenger lists? Thus began my very long dive down the rabbit hole of family research. I am looking forward to reading what started you on this fascinating hobby. Lynne -- Lynne
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Online Death Indexes and Records Website (USA) - Latest Additions
Hope this is helpful to some of you: The Online Death Indexes and Records website (USA) has some new links or updates for the following states: CA, CO, DC, FL, IL, LA, MA, MD, MI, MN, MS, MO, NE, NY, NC, ND, OH, OR, PA, RI, SD, TN, TX, VA, WI, and WY. You can find a list of the latest additions and updates here: https://bit.ly/rootsblog10 Feel free to share this message with other genealogy newsgroups or Facebook genealogy groups. Happy searching. Regards, Joe _._,_._,_ -- Lynne
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23andMe Says It Won Permission From a Judge To Sell Customers¡¯ Medical and Ancestry Data. Here¡¯s How to Delete Yours
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From Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter: Bankrupt 23andMe will be allowed to sell customers¡¯ genetic data to other companies. The company claims its security measures surrounding the data will remain in place, but its privacy policy says it can change those procedures at any time. 23andMe customers do have a way to delete their genetic and ancestral data, however. A U.S. bankruptcy judge ruled DNA-testing company 23andMe, which filed for bankruptcy Sunday, has the right to sell customers¡¯ medical and ancestry data to potential bidders. Offers will be due on May 7, and a final hearing will be held in June. Read more at https://eogn.com/page-18080/13480336 -- Lynne
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