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Re: New member
Hi Jim,
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Welcome to the group. Look out for DV and DD appearing on NJ2MC (Lake Hopatcong, NJ) soon now that we have our Internet feed installed. Mark On 10/26/2009 06:43 PM, james wrote:
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Re: DNS address
开云体育Simple, what is 10.0.0.1? Your router? If so, then the router will need the capability to forward DNS queries or host DNS server. If it doesn’t then it won’t work. Most commercial routers don’t do this. Some home routers do. ? What’s 10.0.0.2? Your gateway? By default it should be a DNS server and capable of serving DNS for D-STAR devices. In general, since the gateway also hosts the dstar.local domain, this can be considered a better DNS than a generic DNS server. ? The dstar.local domain hosts all of the records for DSTAR users. If you wanted to connect to the computer connected to my ID-1, you would use wa4yih.dstar.local. That’s only available internal to the DSTAR environment. ? ? So, in general, I would never recommend 10.0.0.1 as the DNS server. The more reliable answer would be either the gateway server at 10.0.0.2 or any generic Internet DNS. ? Ed WA4YIH ? From: D-STAR_23cm@... [mailto:D-STAR_23cm@...] On Behalf Of james
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 6:37 PM To: D-STAR_23cm@... Subject: [D-STAR_23cm] DNS address ? ? every thing i have read as to the DNS address on DD says 10.0.0.1 |
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Re: Backhaul on Motorola Canopy 5.8 GHz
Steve
I did a 5.8 Ghz backhaul using Alvaion equipment for many years. Worked just fine...until the noise floor went up. I was doing video over it. If your in an urban area..like Seattle, the noise is getting worse and worse as time goes by for long hauls. My longest path was 5.6 miles over the City.
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I switched to 4.9Ghz... Think about 3.4Ghz...using Ubiquity 3.4Ghz radios. I'm going to try that. Then again..if you can get the 5.8Ghz cheap..go for it! Are you going to do multipoint or point to point? Steve N0FPF On 10/26/2009 12:43 PM, hamkd7cao wrote:
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Re: DNS address
If configured correctly, yes 10.0.0.1 (Gateway Router) should be used as
the default DNS.? In reality you could use most any DNS servers, but
you want something that is close and will respond quickly. Using 10.0.0.2
(Gateway PC) can also work since it defaults everything except D-Star
entries to the Gateway Router anyway.
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Gerry At 05:36 PM 10/26/2009, james wrote: ? |
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Re: Backhaul on Motorola Canopy 5.8 GHz
Tim Deater
We use 5ghz canopy backhauls at the ISP I work for.? We started with off the shelf wi-fi stuff, and figured out pretty quickly that you get what you pay for.? We have upgraded all of our backhauls that are not on fiber to canopy and an very happy with it.? We still have some 2.4 for backups, but never need them.
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We use the canopy 900 stuff for the end users.? Works great too! Tim KC8MSE On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Mark Phillips <g7ltt@...> wrote:
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New member
james
hello i am new to this group
not very active on D-Star buy have been playing with the mode for about 2 years now. on 1.2 I have 2 id-1's this allows me to waste all kind of time looking to see what works hihi. located in central NJ in range of both K2DIG and NJ2DG all modes including DD on both mchn's JIM |
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DNS address
james
every thing i have read as to the DNS address on DD says 10.0.0.1
I cant get this to work on the mann mchn K2DIG, however this DNS works fine on the Martinsville Mchn NJ2DG. a local guy said the correct DNS address on all systems should be 10.0.0.2 I've had no luck with that at all. Please note ip addresses (not names) seem to work fine on K2DIG. Can any one clear this up. JIM (KA2OON) |
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Re: Backhaul on Motorola Canopy 5.8 GHz
This is the hardware we used but we didn't pay this much for it;
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The RJ45 socket sticking out the bottom can be placed inside the device. We had our apart to take a look and the are just a no-name wifi router with some useful software in it. We were even able to "upgrade" them to use dd-wrt but we needn't have bothered. Mark On 10/26/2009 05:16 PM, Mark Thompson wrote:
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Re: Backhaul on Motorola Canopy 5.8 GHz
Cough! Splutter! Spits coffee all over the shack!
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$2000 for a 1mbit link! Get real. We just put up a 2.4GHz wifi link on our tower for a 2.5 mile link to our Internet donor for change of $200 and that included a new box of Cat5 from Home Depot. I'm not saying that one can do quite as good as that all the time but you can certainly do it for change of $500. OK, so it's in the 2.4GHz mess but we have yet to see that be a real problem. None of it was cludged. It was all proper masthead routers with POE etc. We just took our time shopping on ebay and were able to collect both ends for a reasonable price. We have a an alleged 54mbps link but I think the throughput is more like 20mbps. Hard to tell really. Both ends report a signal of "65" on a scale of 1-100 where 100 is the best. Not exactly scientific but good enough for us to peak the signals/beam angles. Mark NI2O/NJ2MC On 10/26/2009 05:16 PM, Mark Thompson wrote:
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Re: Backhaul on Motorola Canopy 5.8 GHz
Lor
开云体育Hi Eric,
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I would look at some of the newer Ubiquiti and similar WISP
equipment for high-bandwidth backhaul. Although Motorola Canopy equipment is
excellent, you may not be getting your best bang for the
buck.
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We have used AvaLAN 900 MHz links for up to 23 miles, and I
would have another choice today because of the need to pair the AvaLAN radios
before installation. When mounted on a commercial or government tower, the
largest cost is the tower climb and installation. When something goes wrong with
one AvaLAN radio, it requires two tower climbs to create a new pair and install
them at two sites. Not so with Ubiquiti and other equipment. We have experienced
this at least three times: a lightning strike repair, and two times to re-aim
antennas and insert a new node in a chain of links.
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Check out the new Ubiquiti Rocket and Bullet radios on 5.8
GHz. They can be configured from the ground and reset in any number of
configurations. A high-quality?antenna+radio can be purchased for less than
$300. $500 for a pair to make a link is extraordinary, and you may find you can
afford some spares or additional links with your budget.
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Lor W3QA
Chester County ARES/RACES
Winlink Development Team
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Re: Backhaul on Motorola Canopy 5.8 GHz
Eric -
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I haven't used the Motrola Canopy equipment, but I've heard good things about it.
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There are members on the group who have used unlicensed 900 MHz /?5.8 GHz IP data linking
solutions from AvaLAN Wireless. I believe their data rates are around 1 Megabit/sec.
You can find more information at:
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Looking at AvaLAN's?web site it appears you could put up a link with two 5.8 GHz data radios & antennas for around $2,000.
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73, Mark, WB9QZB
From: hamkd7cao To: D-STAR_23cm@... Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 2:43:01 PM Subject: [D-STAR_23cm] Backhaul on Motorola Canopy 5.8 GHz ? I am looking for information from users that my have attempted to utilize the Motorola Canopy equipment as a back-haul to provide WAN access at a remote site. We are preparing to install our second D*STAR Cluster including DD on a 2000' tower that is some 30 miles away from our current tower. |
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Backhaul on Motorola Canopy 5.8 GHz
I am looking for information from users that my have attempted to utilize the Motorola Canopy equipment as a back-haul to provide WAN access at a remote site. We are preparing to install our second D*STAR Cluster including DD on a 2000' tower that is some 30 miles away from our current tower.
Paths calculate out to be within acceptable range, we are also utilizing the largest parabolic dishes commercially available for Canopy equipment. Frequencies will be on the 5.8 GHz since regional partners would not approve our request to utilize 4.9 GHz licensed service. What I am curious about is if anyone has attempted to test this type of setup for your location. We are utilizing grant funds for the purchase of equipment so we have backing from our Emergency Management Agencies. The system was designed by several members but, path information was calculated using Radio Mobile Deluxe and confirmed with calculations by a retired AT&T Microwave Systems Technician. Thanks for your assistance. |
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New file uploaded to D-STAR_23cm
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the D-STAR_23cm group. File : /RF/23cm Corner Reflector Antenna.pdf Uploaded by : wb9qzb_groups <wb9qzb_groups@...> Description : 23cm Corner Reflector Antenna by The Olde Antenna Lab You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, wb9qzb_groups <wb9qzb_groups@...> |
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New file uploaded to D-STAR_23cm
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the D-STAR_23cm group. File : /Applications & Usage/A Plan for a Statewide D-STAR EmComm Network in Georgia.pdf Uploaded by : wb9qzb_groups <wb9qzb_groups@...> Description : Georgia ARES Plan for a State Wid D-STAR Digital Voice(DV) & High-Speed Data(DD) EmComm Network in Georgia You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, wb9qzb_groups <wb9qzb_groups@...> |
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Re: full duplex?
开云体育? While TCP/IP will make some use of a duplex link, in general, many TCP/IP communications are simplex in nature. Web browsing, email retrieval are all relatively one-sided data flows. ? You can indeed put two ID-1s back to back and send Ethernet traffic between them in what looks like a two-way path. But unless you had some filtering, you’d never be able to pull off full-duplex. Most people never realize that the ID-1 is half-duplex. But if you look at the front panel lights, you see the red and green lights constant blinking at each other. The ID-1 has an extremely fast turnaround compared to most other radios. I believe that it is less than 10 ms., as opposed to the standard AX.25 radio that has 150 ms. ? The ID-1 does allow a significant number of services compared to many other solutions. With the higher power, it does have some good range without resorting to highly directive antennas. The Ethernet/TCP/IP (It will do NetBEUI or Novell if you want) transport means that many applications can be used as-is. We don’t have to create special applications as we did for packet radio. It’s also in a somewhat exclusive portion of the ham bands, so we don’t have to share it with everyone. ? With all of its shortcomings, it still can make some EMA managers drool over our capabilities! ? Ed WA4YIH ? From: D-STAR_23cm@... [mailto:D-STAR_23cm@...] On Behalf Of let_cyber
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:55 AM To: D-STAR_23cm@... Subject: [D-STAR_23cm] full duplex? ? ? Thanks for the comments regarding my disappointment with the DD mode. |
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Re: Disappointed with 23cm digital data
开云体育The ID-1 was sold without the control head at one point. No one bought them so they evidently went back to including it. ? For the price to go down, they need to sell a lot more. I doubt if you’ll see it going under the $300 mark anytime soon, the other radios will have to get there first. ? What I do hope is that they are thinking about a tri-band mobile that combines the capabilities into one, especially if it is a dual or tri receiver device that allows the 1.2 to function at the same time as 440 or 2M. ? And you probably won’t get 1 watt either. You want the power on 1.2 GHz. If it were to drop to 1 watt, it would indeed be too competitive with WiFi and therefore not well received. ? Ed WA4YIH ? From: D-STAR_23cm@... [mailto:D-STAR_23cm@...] On Behalf Of kb9mwr
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:58 AM To: D-STAR_23cm@... Subject: [D-STAR_23cm] Re: Disappointed with 23cm digital data ? ? I tend to agree with you on a lot of points here Ed. |
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Re: full duplex?
开云体育Actually, which is confirmed by looking at the pictures, the RP2D is a SINGLE radio. The RP2V is a dual-radio box. ? High Speed Data is Simplex 1.2 Voice is duplex. ? ? So when you have both, you will need asset of cavities at the repeater called a triplexor. It’s designed to handle 3 different frequencies, the transmit and receive of the voice repeater and the transceiver for the data portion. ? Ed WA4YIH ? From: D-STAR_23cm@... [mailto:D-STAR_23cm@...] On Behalf Of kb9mwr
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:12 AM To: D-STAR_23cm@... Subject: [D-STAR_23cm] Re: full duplex? ? ? The RP2D is essentially just two ID-1's in a rack mount box. |
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Re: Disappointed with 23cm digital data
Mark, I understand that.
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I just have noticed a lot of interest in the high-speed data part since all the other D-Star radios lack that part. So I tend to think that is the major selling part of it. (For instance; the 1.2 GHz DD at Wausau and Milwaukee were the first parts deployed I believe) I just think there might be a market for another option for people. If they want all the capabilities, then yes buy and ID-1. And for those who can't choke down the price, and perhaps because there is no 1.2 DV or analog repeaters but they want to try what they are missing with their VHF/UHF D-Star radios..... Another option. And the advantage despite the slower data rate is that is can inter-operate with other ID-1's and RP2D's. That's my $.02 --- In D-STAR_23cm@..., Mark Thompson <wb9qzb_groups@...> wrote:
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Re: full duplex?
Lor
开云体育Perhaps you are confusing the RP2V with the RP2D. The data
repeater is simplex and has only one ID-1-line module in it, and only one
antenna connection.
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--Lor W3QA
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Eric KD7CAO