So, I eluded below to the fact that changing
current in the Zener(s) is the remaining dominant error in
regulation over voltage. So check out the enclosed circuit and
regulation curve.....
Probably overkill, but it sure is nice!
From 1000V to 1200V the regulated output
varies by....... drum roll please...... ONE volt!
Of course this is simulation, but still.....
Be still my heart!
rogerw
On 4/1/2022 9:56 AM, Roger Whatley via
groups.io wrote:
1) I don't understand, can you post a
schematic?
2) In the earlier current mirror
configuration, the only purpose of the diode-connected BJT is
to drop one Vbe so that the voltage on the resistor would be
nominally equal to the Zener voltage. There are several
sources of error in that occurs, and a significant one is BJT
base current. The base current in the right-most BJT with the
Zener can have its collector current go from less than 10uA to
well over 100uA or 200uA depending on the value of UnRegHV,
etc.So, yes, you could employ Darlingtons in the current
mirror configuration and it would greatly alleviate the base
current error.
But it will not alleviate the mismatch in
the two Darlington current mirror BJTs.
(The error quantity, delta Vbe, is extremely
well-defined math-wise, and used in other circuits to good
effect. In a Band Gap Reference the negative tempco of a Vbe
is compensated by the positive tempco of delta Vbe, and when
this is done the physics of it is you have just achieved the
physical bandgap voltage of the semiconductor. For silicon
~1.2V.)
By eliminating the diode-connected device, the Vbe with its
negative tempco becomes part of the reference voltage seen by
the base resistor. But base current when the collector current
hits above 100uA is a significant error in the 66M+66M, etc, so
going to a Darlington alleviates that.
Then, with two Vbe's giving -2mV/degC each of tempco, using two
6.3V zeners giving +2mV/degC each does temperature conpensation.
It works well, I think...... try it.
BTW, in the real application where the "dropper resistor" might
already be in the HV generator output circuit, AND the HV
generator itself is not capable of putting out 100's of uA even
though it has an open circuit output of, say 1200V...... Well in
reality what you have is a 1200V source with a nonlinear output
resistance and in series with an external "dropper resistor." As
the UnRegHV approaches higher voltages, the shunt regulator
(either the present one OR a zener string) pulls more and more
current until the current limits of the HV Generator are being
approached.... and the effective "dropper resistance" is
increasing to limit the UnRegHV...... So, just like with a
series zener string, shunt regulation!
rogerw
1) any comments of using two resistors for the dropper and
taking the mid point connections to feed the bias resistor
string ? I found that it greatly reduces any voltage rise as the
Vcc is raised.
2) in the earlier current mirror configuration with two bjt's,
is there any advantage on using two darlingtons?
P
PS I will have to remember to get the 6.2V zeners today!
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