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Re: DRO UPDATE

A. G. Eckstein
 

Terry,
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I need that and hope my little bit
will help. I appreciate all the words that I have gotten on the site and as
things progress, will try to update it. My long term goal is to get to the
magical resolution of 0.0001"
Actually, when I started the goal was to get accuracy to 0.001" with no
backlash. I have far exceeded that but now it is a challange.

Please let me know if I can help further.

Art

At 11:56 PM 02/28/2000 -0000, you wrote:
From: "Terry May" <tmay@...>

Art,
Just wanted to tell I have been looking at your website, great
pictures!! It really helps to visualize your setup as you have been
discribing it on the list. I hope my DRO turns out to be half as good
as yours.
Just a quick update from my shop, I didn't have any 7414's or the
decrete transistors that Steve Linsay used on my bench so I just
played around a bit. Hooked up the encoders to my scope and checked
out the waveform and then used a freq counter to do the same. All the
encoders look like they are working fine so after work tomorrow I
will pickup some chips at Radio Shack and put together a board.
Concerning the discussions about wires/cables for the setup, I have
lots of good parts left over from a dearly departed HP plotter.
Amoung the goodies are all the wires used to move the pen holder, I
think they will be long enough for the Y and Z axis' of my mill/drill
if not the x axis.
As I was playing with the encoder still hooked to the motor and
reading it with the freq counter, I realized that just one channel
out of a 1000 line encoder is a very nice division factor for a
tach????. I think I will experiment with that a little also.
Thanks again for sharing your experiences and your website!
Terry May
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Feedback wanted

Charles Gallo
 

Hi,
I was just wondering is anyone has gotten a chance to look at Stepster
Build 11?


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Re: DRO UPDATE

Terry May
 

Art,
Just wanted to tell I have been looking at your website, great
pictures!! It really helps to visualize your setup as you have been
discribing it on the list. I hope my DRO turns out to be half as good
as yours.
Just a quick update from my shop, I didn't have any 7414's or the
decrete transistors that Steve Linsay used on my bench so I just
played around a bit. Hooked up the encoders to my scope and checked
out the waveform and then used a freq counter to do the same. All the
encoders look like they are working fine so after work tomorrow I
will pickup some chips at Radio Shack and put together a board.
Concerning the discussions about wires/cables for the setup, I have
lots of good parts left over from a dearly departed HP plotter.
Amoung the goodies are all the wires used to move the pen holder, I
think they will be long enough for the Y and Z axis' of my mill/drill
if not the x axis.
As I was playing with the encoder still hooked to the motor and
reading it with the freq counter, I realized that just one channel
out of a 1000 line encoder is a very nice division factor for a
tach????. I think I will experiment with that a little also.
Thanks again for sharing your experiences and your website!
Terry May
Re: re - Wonderboard PC interface

D.F.S.
 


From: "Harrison, Doug" <dharrison@...>

Yes, we did get a little carried away with this one. I did manage to get
plenty of feedback, so much that I printed it into a big stack of paper
(more trees died) and took it home to read over the weekend. Thanks to all
who contributed.

I still have some more research to do before I commit to the final
specification. Perhaps I should clarify my goals, which have not changed.
The plan was to design a board with enough dummyproofing to use in
industrial applications yet simple enough to be inexpensive and quick to
build. I see the potential to use this board as an interface with several
parallel port step motor programs. However, CNCPro is the one program I
feel comfortable enough with to support for retrofits. That is the program
I am designing the board for. This is not meant to be a negative comment on
other software and I would be happy to work with developers of such programs
if they wish to communicate their wants and needs. The info I have on most
of them is inadequate to work with.
Here is the design I threw together over the weekend.
It is not final, it is a starting point only.
There is some serious proofreading and checking to be done, but the basic
interface is all there.
I'm out of town this week.
I DO have the design and the free design package with me (Easy Trax)
The problem, is on my laptop, it can only run in 640X480 Mode and
That is only shown as about a 4" X 6" rectangle.
I'll be seriously limited in any REAL work on in.

I can generate Postscript files of the board.
I have no real way to generate an image given the current situation.
If anyone can convert it, and post is someplace everyone can see it.
let me know.


The preliminary specification looks like this:

1. Separate board - not in PC. ( I may change this again if I succeed in
solving the DC-DC converter issue. Shucks! I might even go both ways.)
My board is external to allow lots of board space to add custom circuits.

2. All input and output lines optoisolated.
My design will use opto-isolators on the Board to PC interface.
The Board to device interface should probably have them where
damage is likely to happen as well.
I'll need about 20, about 11 outbound and 9 inbound to the PC.

3. All optos socketed.
I figured on socketing all the chips.

4. Selection of optos to allow interchangability between cheap and high
speed optos for step/direction lines.
The 17 Cent parts BG Micro has looked plenty fast for anythink you will
ever be able to spit out of a PC.

5. Sockets for optional SS relays on control lines.
I have PC mount Simgle pole Double throw Relays I planned to use.
I don't have sockets for them, but leaving holes for them along with
a big array of space to install them and wire them where appropriate
seems reasonable.
What do you mean by "SS" relay?

6. On board 5V power.
I figure the power and voltage requirements could vary tremendously
depending on what a person wanted to install as far as external
drive and interfaces.
110 or 220V are very likely to be used by some people.

I figured on running AC straight to the box, and installing a
surplus regulated power supply in the box, to leave all the options
open.
BG Micro, all electronics amd electronics goldmine all have a
good selection of regulated power supplies for under 10 bucks,
many are universal and can take anything from 90 - 250 Volts.

7. DB25 and screw term capable input - your choice
Mine has a 2 row 26 pin connector to the computer.
I have both 25 pin Din and 26 pin header connectors that simply crimp
on ribon cable.
Cut the cable to length and crimp the ends on.

Of course everyone has the option to crimp whatever type of connector
they want on the other end, even if it only extends to a connector
mounted on the outside of the case.

For the IO ports, I suggest dual connectors designed onto the board
and people can install the type they want. Ie. a standard header, and
holes to mount whatever readily avalible type of screw connector
we select.
I DO have some, but they are big, they take crim on spade type
connectors. There are 3 lugs on each pin, they are held down
by a screw, you could always remove the screw, toss the spades and
connect the wire to the screw.

8. DB9 and screw term options for step/dir lines.
Good idea, both designed onto the board, install whatever you want.

9. Screw terms for limits, e-stop and control outs.
Same as above.

Several of you noted that it should not be necessary to use optos to drive
the step/dir amp inputs because most drivers are already optoisolated. Some
of them aren't. But the main reason I stuck to my guns here is that there
is a tendency (and I've seen it) to use the same 5V supply for the driver
optos as is used for the limit switches. The drivers are protected but the
parallel port is tied to the limit lines. Not good. The data out optos
will be supplied by the PC 5V supply. Yes, I know this means more than just
a single cable from the PC - another argument for making the board fit into
a PCI/ISA slot.
My design would isolate all the PC lines at the point the enter from
and exit to the PC. That should protect the PC.
People could then isolate whatever IO From they board they considered
necessart to protect the "Wonderboard".

I would just as soon keep the board outside of the PC case.

The ISA board will now work with Laptops, Microchannel PCs and many
people would be afraid to install it inside the case anyway.

All the Status and Diagnostic LEDs I have designed in, are mounted
on the board itself. They would need to be run outside the PC and be
mounted in a project case of some sort.

Marc
BTW. we are still under 10 bucks in parts.
Granted, additions will add to that cost, but the basic board is under
10, plus a power supply, and whatever case people want.
Re: Wonderboard PC interface original message!

jguenthe
 

Doug,

So what if it gets it's 5v supply from the PC and requires another cable.
It would seem to me that it could also get the 5v from a wall wort or some
other source besides the host PC, therefore my vote is for a separate board
and optional additional power supply. This way if space is a problem and
your host is a laptop, you could get the 5v from another source.

John Guenther

-----Original Message-----
From: Harrison, Doug [mailto:dharrison@...]
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 3:20 PM
To: 'CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...'
Subject: RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Wonderboard PC interface original message!

From: "Harrison, Doug" <dharrison@...>

Yes, we did get a little carried away with this one. I did manage to get
plenty of feedback, so much that I printed it into a big stack of paper
(more trees died) and took it home to read over the weekend. Thanks to all
who contributed.

I still have some more research to do before I commit to the final
specification. Perhaps I should clarify my goals, which have not changed.
The plan was to design a board with enough dummyproofing to use in
industrial applications yet simple enough to be inexpensive and quick to
build. I see the potential to use this board as an interface with several
parallel port step motor programs. However, CNCPro is the one program I
feel comfortable enough with to support for retrofits. That is the program
I am designing the board for. This is not meant to be a negative comment on
other software and I would be happy to work with developers of such programs
if they wish to communicate their wants and needs. The info I have on most
of them is inadequate to work with.


The preliminary specification looks like this:

1. Separate board - not in PC. ( I may change this again if I succeed in
solving the DC-DC converter issue. Shucks! I might even go both ways.)
2. All input and output lines optoisolated.
3. All optos socketed.
4. Selection of optos to allow interchangability between cheap and high
speed optos for step/direction lines.
5. Sockets for optional SS relays on control lines.
6. On board 5V power.
7. DB25 and screw term capable input - your choice
8. DB9 and screw term options for step/dir lines.
9. Screw terms for limits, e-stop and control outs.

Several of you noted that it should not be necessary to use optos to drive
the step/dir amp inputs because most drivers are already optoisolated. Some
of them aren't. But the main reason I stuck to my guns here is that there
is a tendency (and I've seen it) to use the same 5V supply for the driver
optos as is used for the limit switches. The drivers are protected but the
parallel port is tied to the limit lines. Not good. The data out optos
will be supplied by the PC 5V supply. Yes, I know this means more than just
a single cable from the PC - another argument for making the board fit into
a PCI/ISA slot.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Sala [SMTP:adsala@...]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 8:25 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Wonderboard PC interface original message!

From: "Dean Sala" <adsala@...>

It seems as though this thread has went off on a tangent. I originally
replied to Doug about a parrallel interface card that I had designed to
work with CNCpro. But it seemed to never appear on the message board
except in Doug's reply to it. The reply is in the "Interface Update"
thread. Anyway, It seems as though some of you are getting confused
between what Doug is proposing and what I have done. So I want to clarify.
I designed an proto typed external interface card to work with CNCpro. I
am building a homebrew CNC system so my design is catered towards that. I
believe Doug has different requirements and is building a more robust
board catered towards industrial use. Am I right? I'm not completely
clear about his requirements yet. But this is what I wrote to him.


Here is my original message to the "Interface update" thread.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------
Doug,
It's real great that you are trying to resolve this problem. I completely
agree that we need some sort of breakout box that could get us up to speed
faster. With an on board 5vPS, relays, screw in terminals and such. It
just so happens that I have already designed a proto type of this board to
work with CNCpro. Except that it does not use optoisolation on the
board.
I already have optoisolation on board my step drivers.

The proto type plugs into the parrallel port via cable. It has it's own
DB25 connector on one side and has a series of screw terminals on the
other.
It consists of a SN74S244 hex schmit trigger driver to drive the step and
direction data (3 or 4 axis or whatever)into the Step motor drivers. The
auxillary outputs, 3 in all so far (CNCPro at least) go through ULN2003a's
(that can be parralleled for more current) to drive 1amp 5v relays.
Also,
the homing inputs are hooked up to IR switches with their own terminal
block. The other inputs are just tied high through 4.7ks. I am still
working on the design and am thinking about making it more universal for
other parrallel port NC programs that aren't as configurable as CNCpro.
But
first I'm keeping it simple. I'm sorry for not getting ideas from you
guys
but now I have a feeling what you want. Are you sure you need
optoisolation
on the board too? I can add them right to the output of the SN74S244 but
then the opto isolators would be driving opto isolators. Maybe I can put
a
switch selector to bypass opto isolation if the step drivers have them.

Possible enhancements: On board 5V power supply(otherwise supply external
5v
PS). Connectors to connect 120v to stepper power supply with fuses etc.
Diagnostic LEDs connected to various outputs. Connectors for main power
switch and power light. Oh, limit switch connectors tied to turn off
stepper PS. There you have it! All-in-one wonder board!

About using the parrallel port for drive LED's....you should sink them of
course but it's always better to put a buffer inline like an S series TTL
driver which can source 28ma and sink 64ma perfect for this situation,
more
noise resistant and just what their made for. This way you don't have to
worry about how much power the parallel port can provide.

Good luck
Dean

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------

Please read Dougs reply in the "Interface Update" thread if you are
interested in his comments. It is a message stored under his name

If you have any questions about my design please reply. I left a few
things out of the above description.

Thanks
Dean Sala









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Re: Wonderboard PC interface original message!

Harrison, Doug
 

Yes, we did get a little carried away with this one. I did manage to get
plenty of feedback, so much that I printed it into a big stack of paper
(more trees died) and took it home to read over the weekend. Thanks to all
who contributed.

I still have some more research to do before I commit to the final
specification. Perhaps I should clarify my goals, which have not changed.
The plan was to design a board with enough dummyproofing to use in
industrial applications yet simple enough to be inexpensive and quick to
build. I see the potential to use this board as an interface with several
parallel port step motor programs. However, CNCPro is the one program I
feel comfortable enough with to support for retrofits. That is the program
I am designing the board for. This is not meant to be a negative comment on
other software and I would be happy to work with developers of such programs
if they wish to communicate their wants and needs. The info I have on most
of them is inadequate to work with.


The preliminary specification looks like this:

1. Separate board - not in PC. ( I may change this again if I succeed in
solving the DC-DC converter issue. Shucks! I might even go both ways.)
2. All input and output lines optoisolated.
3. All optos socketed.
4. Selection of optos to allow interchangability between cheap and high
speed optos for step/direction lines.
5. Sockets for optional SS relays on control lines.
6. On board 5V power.
7. DB25 and screw term capable input - your choice
8. DB9 and screw term options for step/dir lines.
9. Screw terms for limits, e-stop and control outs.

Several of you noted that it should not be necessary to use optos to drive
the step/dir amp inputs because most drivers are already optoisolated. Some
of them aren't. But the main reason I stuck to my guns here is that there
is a tendency (and I've seen it) to use the same 5V supply for the driver
optos as is used for the limit switches. The drivers are protected but the
parallel port is tied to the limit lines. Not good. The data out optos
will be supplied by the PC 5V supply. Yes, I know this means more than just
a single cable from the PC - another argument for making the board fit into
a PCI/ISA slot.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Sala [SMTP:adsala@...]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 8:25 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Wonderboard PC interface original message!

From: "Dean Sala" <adsala@...>

It seems as though this thread has went off on a tangent. I originally
replied to Doug about a parrallel interface card that I had designed to
work with CNCpro. But it seemed to never appear on the message board
except in Doug's reply to it. The reply is in the "Interface Update"
thread. Anyway, It seems as though some of you are getting confused
between what Doug is proposing and what I have done. So I want to clarify.
I designed an proto typed external interface card to work with CNCpro. I
am building a homebrew CNC system so my design is catered towards that. I
believe Doug has different requirements and is building a more robust
board catered towards industrial use. Am I right? I'm not completely
clear about his requirements yet. But this is what I wrote to him.


Here is my original message to the "Interface update" thread.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------
Doug,
It's real great that you are trying to resolve this problem. I completely
agree that we need some sort of breakout box that could get us up to speed
faster. With an on board 5vPS, relays, screw in terminals and such. It
just so happens that I have already designed a proto type of this board to
work with CNCpro. Except that it does not use optoisolation on the
board.
I already have optoisolation on board my step drivers.

The proto type plugs into the parrallel port via cable. It has it's own
DB25 connector on one side and has a series of screw terminals on the
other.
It consists of a SN74S244 hex schmit trigger driver to drive the step and
direction data (3 or 4 axis or whatever)into the Step motor drivers. The
auxillary outputs, 3 in all so far (CNCPro at least) go through ULN2003a's
(that can be parralleled for more current) to drive 1amp 5v relays.
Also,
the homing inputs are hooked up to IR switches with their own terminal
block. The other inputs are just tied high through 4.7ks. I am still
working on the design and am thinking about making it more universal for
other parrallel port NC programs that aren't as configurable as CNCpro.
But
first I'm keeping it simple. I'm sorry for not getting ideas from you
guys
but now I have a feeling what you want. Are you sure you need
optoisolation
on the board too? I can add them right to the output of the SN74S244 but
then the opto isolators would be driving opto isolators. Maybe I can put
a
switch selector to bypass opto isolation if the step drivers have them.

Possible enhancements: On board 5V power supply(otherwise supply external
5v
PS). Connectors to connect 120v to stepper power supply with fuses etc.
Diagnostic LEDs connected to various outputs. Connectors for main power
switch and power light. Oh, limit switch connectors tied to turn off
stepper PS. There you have it! All-in-one wonder board!

About using the parrallel port for drive LED's....you should sink them of
course but it's always better to put a buffer inline like an S series TTL
driver which can source 28ma and sink 64ma perfect for this situation,
more
noise resistant and just what their made for. This way you don't have to
worry about how much power the parallel port can provide.

Good luck
Dean

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------

Please read Dougs reply in the "Interface Update" thread if you are
interested in his comments. It is a message stored under his name

If you have any questions about my design please reply. I left a few
things out of the above description.

Thanks
Dean Sala









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xyz table for sale?

Jim Fackert
 

Will the fellow who had the xyz router table with servos for sale please
email me off list?

Thanks,

Jim Fackert
jfackert@...
Re: resonance and controllers

Harrison, Doug
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Vicars [SMTP:jvicars@...]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 1:59 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] resonance and controllers

From: Joe Vicars <jvicars@...>

I don't understand how the software control contributed to the
resonance problem that Tim described. The software controller just
outputs a square wave of varying frequency. If you have control over
your instantaneous start, accel and decel, then you should be able to
find an operating range that works. What am I missing?
Some programs are not very good at accurately spacing the step
pulses. The variation in timing shows up as harmonics and the effects are
significant.

Doug
Re: posting

Matt Shaver
 

From: Jon Elson <jmelson@...>
But, if you have to purchase the interpolator boxes at new prices, it
might be
cheaper to get shaft encoders surplus, instead.
It might even be cheaper to buy shaft encoders new:



Miniature 1000 ppr rotary encoders from $66.

Matt
Re: DRO update

Joe Landau
 

Thanks for those pictures. That is really helpful!

"A. G. Eckstein" wrote:


From: "A. G. Eckstein" <axtein@...>

As previously mentioned, I would try to get a web site up this weekend......

Yep, it up; but it doesn't work quite properly with the various buttons for
some of the pages (yet); so here is the direct link to the DRO portion:


Hope it can help somebody.

Later,

Art

OLDER THAN DIRT

Country Bubba

(Actually the inventor of Country and Bubba)

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Re: posting

Jon Elson
 

PCSHAPER@... wrote:

From: PCSHAPER@...

To anyone who cares to respond,

I have a Shasuka (sp?) vertical mill with an old Summit-Bandit
controller.
Is that a Shizouka ?

Needless to say, it is costing me a fortune to keep it working! This
particular
mill has servo motors and resolver position sensors. The Servo board
is
working
OK, but something else is messed up. I am trying to locate someone who
knows
an inexpensive PC based 3 axis servo control board that can work with
resolvers.
I had a similar problem, using an Allen-Bradley, and then EMC with an
ancient
GE servo drive with resolvers. I replaced the resolvers with 1000
cycle/rev
encoders, giving 4000 counts / rev. Multiply by 5 TPI, and that is a
resolution
of 20,000 counts/inch, or .00005". I got these encoders for $75
surplus, they
are certainly around.

I also would like to know if anyone has a schematic of the resolver
board (2
boards
bolted together) and any programming information on this board. I am
an
electronics
engineer and am interested in making an interface between the PC bus
and this
card
so that I can control the machine directly from a PC.
There are commercial resolver to quadrature interpolator/converters.
They generally
include all the stuff to excite the resolvers, amplify the signals and
decode them.
The only chip level stuff I know about is the Analog Devices 2S80
series, which
are darned expensive chips. But, I'm sure other outfits know how to do
this without
the expensive AD parts. Old Qume daisy wheel printers had equivalent
chips
for their magnetic position encoders (inductosyns are kind of planar,
ironless
resolvers). I never got a print so I could figure out how to reuse
these chips.

If you want to do web searching, you might try keywords like
interpolator and
inductosyn, as well as resolver.

But, if you have to purchase the interpolator boxes at new prices, it
might be
cheaper to get shaft encoders surplus, instead.

Jon
Re: returned, returned, returned

Bertho Boman
 

Hello Jan,
We got your site URL and the site is very nice. I have been spending too much time there already.

I assume you know but when you respond to someone on the list the message will be re-mailed to everyone, including your self.
So seeing your own message is normal.
Bertho Boman
========================


From: JanRwl@...

This keeps coming back to ME! This is one detail of what I meant! Any
attempt I make to REPLY to you at the address "FROM" results, only, it it
being sent, instead, to ME, again!!!
Re: DRO update

A. G. Eckstein
 

Bertho,

Thanks for the kudos; I tried, but am no real web artist or for that matter
a photographer:)

For me, the performace is more than adequate. Beats the devil out of the
dials and backlash in the screws.

Repeatability "seems" to be very good. I have tried moving the table quite
quickly and also slowly. Have learned NOT to make rapid changes in movement
or especially direction as the error rate jumps rapidly. The biggest
problem seems to be when you "just start" to move and I believe this is
causing pulsation in both directions causing the "jitters" to indicate
errors. I have had to "relocate" some of the holes especially when
changeing tools for the counterbore opeations and from apperances, seems to
be right on. (Hell of a lot closer than when I was using the dials and lead
screws for positioning!) Will try the last idea you propositioned sometime
this week. (gotta work for the money to buy toys ya know!!)



At 08:52 PM 02/27/2000 -0500, you wrote:
From: Bertho Boman <boman@...>

Nice Job!

It is not clear form the pictures but how do you keep dirt out of the box
and how do you wipe the cable?

How is the performance?

If you set up a careful "0" mark and then move quickly to the other end
and then quickly back how much error do you see?

If you do the same thing but slowly?

Now try really slow in one direction and then quickly back?
Bertho Boman
OLDER THAN DIRT

Country Bubba

(Actually the inventor of Country and Bubba)
Re: DRO update

Bertho Boman
 

Nice Job!

It is not clear form the pictures but how do you keep dirt out of the box and how do you wipe the cable?

How is the performance?

If you set up a careful "0" mark and then move quickly to the other end and then quickly back how much error do you see?

If you do the same thing but slowly?

Now try really slow in one direction and then quickly back?
Bertho Boman
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From: "A. G. Eckstein" <axtein@...>

As previously mentioned, I would try to get a web site up this weekend......

Yep, it up; but it doesn't work quite properly with the various buttons for
some of the pages (yet); so here is the direct link to the DRO portion:


Hope it can help somebody.

Later,

Art
Re: Houston HMSC

Ward M.
 

Jan,

Here it is:



Ward M.

----- Original Message -----
From: <JanRwl@...>
To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Houston HMSC


From: JanRwl@...

In a message dated 27-February-00 15:53:53 Central Standard Time,
JanRwl@... writes:

<< From: JanRwl@...

In a message dated 27-February-00 15:35:47 Central Standard Time,
ward@... writes:

<< Where ?!?!
>>
Sorry! I had attempted to send a whole message, with this link:

<A href=">Home Metal Shop Club</A>

But something with the "link" (not!) happened, and my whole message did
NOT
get sent, nor even "saved" on this end! I quickly loose patience with
"new
sites" which make communication more difficult than turning on the
overhead-bedroom-light, so, in a word, "FORGET it!"

Jan Rowland >>

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Re: Houston HMSC

Ward M.
 

No problem. Besides, I can use the text link you just sent.

I wasn't trying to upset you...

Sorry,

Ward M.

----- Original Message -----
From: <JanRwl@...>
To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Houston HMSC


From: JanRwl@...

In a message dated 27-February-00 15:53:53 Central Standard Time,
JanRwl@... writes:

<< From: JanRwl@...

In a message dated 27-February-00 15:35:47 Central Standard Time,
ward@... writes:

<< Where ?!?!
>>
Sorry! I had attempted to send a whole message, with this link:

<A href=">Home Metal Shop Club</A>

But something with the "link" (not!) happened, and my whole message did
NOT
get sent, nor even "saved" on this end! I quickly loose patience with
"new
sites" which make communication more difficult than turning on the
overhead-bedroom-light, so, in a word, "FORGET it!"

Jan Rowland >>

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Re: Houston HMSC

Ward M.
 

Where ?!?!

Ward M.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 1:31 PM
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Houston HMSC


From: "Jan Rowland" <JanRwl@...>

Anyone in Houston area, NOT members of HMSC, look at our site!
Specifically on


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Houston HMSC

 

Anyone in Houston area, NOT members of HMSC, look at our site!
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Re: returned, returned, returned

 

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