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Focus Shift on HD after the Meridian Flip
I have my 14" EdgeHD for over 2 years now. It originally had a problem with not holding it's collimation and had to be sent back to "C" where they "span" it - much better after that. I use it mostly for DS imaging with 0.7X focal reducer and Moonlite focuser. Everything seems to be very tight and sturdy. I focus it first crudely, lock the mirror then use Moonlite to tweak it. It all works fine even for long slews, until I do the Meridian Flip. After that focus is gone, collimation too is worse (though still usable). It usually is off by 100 steps or so. Any idea what can cause such a shift? Thank you for any thoughts. Ian |
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I use exactly the same system for about 3 yrs now. and am able to get the optimum focus point using the reducer. I have the same trouble with focus shift and meridian flip any solution other than get a fork mount would be useful. I could otherwise upgrade to the newer my older Paramount ME to the newer versions that have greater meridian allowance before flipping. i usually only work 2hrs either side. But I digress any improvement in our present situation would be nice. Eric -----Original Message-----
From: cosmoimager@... [C14_EdgeHD] <C14_EdgeHD@...> To: C14_EdgeHD <C14_EdgeHD@...> Sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 19:23 Subject: [C14_EdgeHD] Focus Shift on HD after the Meridian Flip I have my 14" EdgeHD for over 2 years now. It originally had a problem with not holding it's collimation and had to be sent back to "C" where they "span" it - much better after that. I use it mostly for DS imaging with 0.7X focal reducer and Moonlite focuser. Everything seems to be very tight and sturdy. I focus it first crudely, lock the mirror then use Moonlite to tweak it. It all works fine even for long slews, until I do the Meridian Flip. After that focus is gone, collimation too is worse (though still usable). It usually is off by 100 steps or so. Any idea what can cause such a shift? Thank you for any thoughts. Ian |
Gary Jarrette
Are you saying you have a Moonlight focuser on the rear, a crayford style focuser? Something does not sound right here. Once the mirror is locked down you cannot focuse it (tweak) it. Locked is locked.. If you crank on that screw focuse after you lock it down you will slant the primary. If you are using a rear focuser after your focal reducer like a Starlight instruments or Moonlight it should be set to its mid point. All other spacers etc. should now have you mechanicay at the back focus distance. You would then use your built in screw focuser to attain the best focus you can. When this is done you lock the mirror down and forget about it. Now all subsequent focusing will be done with the crayford style on the back. I might add with regards to collimation. You must take care when collimating that your mirror focuser moves the mirror up towards the sky against gravity when you come to focus prior to your collimation efforts. When you are done collimating do a focus with the mirror always ending up pulling the mirror up. This is the same way you did it prior to collimation. Now lock the mirror and start using the crayford. Do not mess with the mirror again.. The way you stated it in your querry you implied that you tweaked the mirror after locking it down which can be disastrous. If it just came back from the factory it is highly unlikely that something is loose in the telescope so this leaves only two possibilites. 1. You are doing something wrong. If you are using the Celestron focal reducer it is a monster. I have one and it is solid as a rock so as stated above it is you or something is loose beyound the focal reducer. Garu Carpe Noctem Sent from my space ship via my LG V10 Phone |
To clarify:
I'm using Celestron x0.7 reducer - very sturdy, no play. Moonlite is a Crayford-style (extremely well-built) and used from mid-point after mirror-focus. I never touch mirror focusing after locking up the mirror. So, I guess, you two possibilities remain, though I checked all of the "operator-induced" errors as much I could. Short of sending it back to C, or disassembling it myself, I guess I have to live with the refocusing after the flip as I did before... Sigh... Ian |
Gary Jarrette
I feel your frustration. I too am experiencing a problem that I cannot seem to get my head around. After shutting my Observatory down for better then six months and then start imaging again I just cannot seem to guide quite as good as I did last year. When I started up my pointing was still dead on with The Sky x. Guiding with Maxim always yielded under .300 RMS, usually around Good luck. Gary Carpe Noctem Sent from my space ship via my LG V10 Phone
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Actually, I am not sure about the human error part of it now. I don't think I check the direction of the final mirror focusing. It's entirely possible it was counterclockwise and the mirror does have a play. Remains to be checked. I admit with the mirror locks I'm a bit complacent about this, perhaps wrongly.?
Thanks for pointing it out. I will post the results. |
Gary Jarrette
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI have a C14 and the mirror flop is almost imperceptible. Certainly no loss of collimation or quality of the stars. I can do a closed loop slew across the Meridian, my rotator rotates, and I find the object or star with no degradation in the quality of the picture. ? Gary ? Carpe Noctem ? From: C14_EdgeHD@... [mailto:C14_EdgeHD@...]
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:08 AM To: C14_EdgeHD@... Subject: [C14_EdgeHD] Re: Focus Shift on HD after the Meridian Flip ? ? I am shocked, shocked to find mirror flop on the C14. |