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HLCX SD40-2 on the Laggan Sub.

Chris Davidson
 

Last night, at 18:10, 402- 9154,9125 & HLCX 7191, ex BN SD40-2, still green, waiting on the main at the east switch MP23.8. Unit still in great shape, minus the BN logo on the cab side, with a sloppy HLCX lettering job. Neat to see as non-CP is kinda rare out here. Is CP currently leasing these and why? They have ample amounts of their own SD40-2's.

Chris Davidson


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Re: Dome Cars

 

Hi

What is the "Enterprise"? Is this the new Montreal/Toronto overnight trains 50/51? I know there are always a few Chateau or Manor sleepers kicking around, but I thought Park cars were in great demand. With only 3 bedrooms and a drawing room, and nothing to see in this all-at-night train, would it be practical to tie up 2 (one each way) Park cars for the Montreal/Toronto overnight service? With VIA, though, who knows!

Is it possible that REVELSTOKE PARK is one of the Park cars on its way to be used on VIA train #15 Ocean between Montreal & Halifax? In September ?99, the last time that I was in Halifax, they were using WATERTON PARK, BANFF PARK, YOHO PARK, and EVANGELINE PARK for these train sets, but ever since they closed the VIA Maintenance Center in Halifax, all work is done in Mimico, so maybe they?re switching equipment!

Andy in Windsor, ON

From: Christian Base <cbase@...>
Reply-To: C-P-R@...
To: C-P-R@...
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] Dome Cars
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:56:45 -0800 (PST)

--- ddavies@... wrote:
From: ddavies@...

Saw ex CPR dome 'Revelstoke Park' on the end of a VIA train to
Montreal/Ottawa leaving Mimico yesterday. How long has this been
going on?? Train was all ex 'CANADIAN' equipment.

You probably saw the "Enterprise" consist. Started January 16th.

CB

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Re: HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots

Randy Hano
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler Dick <cdick@...>
To: <C-P-R@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots


From: Tyler Dick <cdick@...>


Yes the cost of producing a correct model of a CP Rail SD40-2 is
prohibitive. However, if one looks at the other SD40-2 snoots that Kato
is producing, the BCR, BNSF and ATSF units should have low headlights as
well (although the position on ATSF units varies). I thought that it was
ironic that Kato used a BNSF unit with a low headlight in its advertising
when the model is of a UP-style low headlight locomotive. So those who
model the CPR are not the only ones who have to deal with a less than
prototypical model.

I remember seeing a CP Rail SD40-2 nose kit one time in a hobby shop. Is
this kit still around?
Yes it is!

Detail Associates part#: SB 3605 Short Nose - EMD CP Rail 102' - $6.95

Randy
Re: HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots

Randy Hano
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pulaski <MPulaski@...>
To: <C-P-R@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots


From: Mike Pulaski <MPulaski@...>

I know about Details Associate one, From what I remember, it was no where
as nice as Cannon's stuff...
Even though my cost on the nose kit was around $3.00...It would list for
$6.00. Problem is Marketing cost, Investment recouping, packaging, My time
for the business end of things..... etc....
Distributors want the product for at least 55% off the list...So you see,
It wouldn't make sense to make one
at only selling 200 or so kits....If I knew I could sell all 500 kits
within a few months, I would do it.
How many people would really pay for a reservation....It would take a lot
of modelers.....Mike
Many of the small detail manufacturers started small and continue to remain
small. It is difficult to get Canadian products in Los Angeles, California
but thanks to the internet and a phone call - Central Hobbies is a click
away (for me). Your marketing scheme could begin by just using the internet.
The email lists have been grand for learning, exchanging ideas, thoughts and
information on the CP Rail as well as other railroads.

Send a some samples to Hal at Central Hobbies. Ron Sebastion at Des Plaines
Hobbies. They may buy from you direct. Get a free write up in Canadian
Modeller, Model Railroader, etc in the "What's new column". And if you are
really savy, build a couple of models with the test shots and create a how
to article (if accepted) to be published in that same issue. Free publicity
for superb products make for salivating users.

The CP Sig would welcome modeller information on the snoots and it is truly
amazing at how many people are interested in prototype modeling.

Mike - these are just my thoughts. You are right in saying that you just
want to break even for your efforts and I believe you can!

Randy
Goofed on 5425

Jim Johnston
 

Hi guys;

Sorry I goofed! Its obviously too late at night for me cause I'm not thinking straight. That 493 is a Roberts Bank train so 5425 should be found at Roberts Bank tomorrow morning, not Coquitlam as I'd originally posted.

Jim Johnston
Salmon Arm B.C.
Yellow CP 5425

Jim Johnston
 

Hi Kicking Horse;

Thanks for the "heads-up" on that 5425. I saw it go through Salmon Arm about an hour ago. Actually by here at 2054....should be in Kamloops about 2245. Still leading with 6057 and 5996 trailing.

I know some of these yellow fellows have been west of Calgary before but its some years ago. This is the first time I'd ever seen one.

For any Vancouver area fans that 493 train should be in Coquitlam sometime early on Wed. morn. Probably it will go east later in the day.

Cheers;

Jim Johnston
Salmon Arm B.C.
Re: Kettle Valley Railroad

Joe Smuin
 

Les:

Right from the beginning of service in 1915, passenger cars used on the
Kettle Valley Railway were standard CPR passenger equipment. Until
1931, passenger equipment regularly assigned to the KVR was wood
construction. After that, it was steel construction. So, basically
what you have to do, which isn't all that hard, is to find out what sort
of cars were used on KV passenger trains and go from there. What era
are you most interested in?

Joe Smuin

Les Halmos wrote:


From: Les Halmos <lhalmos@...>

I am not sure if this is the right SIG but I will ask anyway.
Does anybody know where I can get information on the interior colors
for the
passenger cars on this railroad?

Any information would be welcome,

Thank you in advance,

Les Halmos

EMail: lhalmos@...
Web:

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Re: Kettle Valley Railroad

Tom Price
 

-
Les:

The KVR was owned by the CPR. Good chance there were no passenger
colours unique to the KVR.

TAPMAN




-- In C-P-R@..., Les Halmos <lhalmos@e...> wrote:
I am not sure if this is the right SIG but I will ask anyway.
Does anybody know where I can get information on the interior
colors for the
passenger cars on this railroad?

Any information would be welcome,

Thank you in advance,

Les Halmos

EMail: lhalmos@...
Web:

Re: The Origin Of The Station name "MARS" Laggan Sub

Tom Price
 

James:

The name is MARS, or Mars. No hyphens or periods, and it wasn't an
ackronym for something else. I believe it existed from the early
teens until 1925.

TAPMAN



--- In C-P-R@..., "James E.Mack" <lvrr@e...> wrote:
I know the was not there in 1880 as this before the tunnels. Can I
ask one
thing is it Mars or MARS like M.A.R.S.

Joe Smuin wrote:

From: Joe Smuin <kvrailway@...>

Maybe in the 1880s, anybody at Mars station could have
sympathized with
the recently lost probe on Mars planet. No place wonderful and a
damned
long way from home!

Joe Smuin

Tom Price wrote:

From: "Tom Price" <taprice@...>

Hello train buffs!

I work the Laggan Sub west of Calgary, and one station name
remains a
mystery insofar as its origin. The station was called MARS, and
was a
timing point (not a siding), just above the upper portal of the
upper
spiral tunnel, where the west switch of Partridge Siding is
today.
Partridge Siding was named after Seth Partridge whose heroic
efforts
to warn the people at Yoho of an approaching mud slide off Mount
Cathedral resulted in saving many lives in August 1925.

All other station names in the area follow a recognizable
pattern,
except MARS which does not fit with any convention of the era.

Does anybody have any idea of the origin of the name MARS, and
where
it could be researched?

Thanks in advance,

TAPMAN

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Kettle Valley Railroad

Les Halmos
 

I am not sure if this is the right SIG but I will ask anyway.
Does anybody know where I can get information on the interior colors for the
passenger cars on this railroad?

Any information would be welcome,

Thank you in advance,

Les Halmos

EMail: lhalmos@...
Web:

Re: The Origin Of The Station name "MARS" Laggan Sub

James E.Mack
 

I know the was not there in 1880 as this before the tunnels. Can I ask one
thing is it Mars or MARS like M.A.R.S.

Joe Smuin wrote:

From: Joe Smuin <kvrailway@...>

Maybe in the 1880s, anybody at Mars station could have sympathized with
the recently lost probe on Mars planet. No place wonderful and a damned
long way from home!

Joe Smuin

Tom Price wrote:

From: "Tom Price" <taprice@...>

Hello train buffs!

I work the Laggan Sub west of Calgary, and one station name remains a
mystery insofar as its origin. The station was called MARS, and was a
timing point (not a siding), just above the upper portal of the upper
spiral tunnel, where the west switch of Partridge Siding is today.
Partridge Siding was named after Seth Partridge whose heroic efforts
to warn the people at Yoho of an approaching mud slide off Mount
Cathedral resulted in saving many lives in August 1925.

All other station names in the area follow a recognizable pattern,
except MARS which does not fit with any convention of the era.

Does anybody have any idea of the origin of the name MARS, and where
it could be researched?

Thanks in advance,

TAPMAN

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TNFH Abandonments Dept: CP

Danny Boehr
 

CPR Discontinues Operations on Two Rail Lines


March 28, 2000



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CALGARY, March 27 /CNW/ via NewsEdge Corporation -

Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) has discontinued operations
on two low-density branchlines in Saskatchewan and Alberta, in accordance
with the Canada Transportation Act (CTA).

Effective March 24, CPR discontinued service on a 7.2-km
(4.5-mile) stretch of track between Cardston and St. Mary's Reservoir, in
southern Alberta, and a 16-km (10-mile) line between Arcola and a point just
west of Carlyle, in southeast Saskatchewan.

The Alberta rail line was offered for sale to the
marketplace last August, while the Saskatchewan branchline was offered for
sale last November. Traffic on these lines has been steadily declining.

The lines were offered for sale to the shortline
marketplace, as well as the provincial and municipal governments and
community groups.

Calgary-based CPR, a subsidiary of Canadian Pacific
Limited, operates 23,170 km (14,400 miles) of track in Canada and the U.S.
The railway has about 18,000 employees and revenues of about $3.5 billion
Cdn annually.
CP 4511 "scud"

Bill Miller
 

Photos of "happy face scud" 4511.

" at
the bottom ......

Bill
Re: The Origin Of The Station name "MARS" Laggan Sub

Joe Smuin
 

Maybe in the 1880s, anybody at Mars station could have sympathized with
the recently lost probe on Mars planet. No place wonderful and a damned
long way from home!

Joe Smuin

Tom Price wrote:


From: "Tom Price" <taprice@...>

Hello train buffs!

I work the Laggan Sub west of Calgary, and one station name remains a
mystery insofar as its origin. The station was called MARS, and was a
timing point (not a siding), just above the upper portal of the upper
spiral tunnel, where the west switch of Partridge Siding is today.
Partridge Siding was named after Seth Partridge whose heroic efforts
to warn the people at Yoho of an approaching mud slide off Mount
Cathedral resulted in saving many lives in August 1925.

All other station names in the area follow a recognizable pattern,
except MARS which does not fit with any convention of the era.

Does anybody have any idea of the origin of the name MARS, and where
it could be researched?

Thanks in advance,

TAPMAN

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Re: CP 5600's equipped with UP strobe light

RR Auer
 

Reviewing "Rail Canada Vol. 3", there is a 1978 photo of UP 3124 at
Coalhurst AB with ditch lights in pool service on page 69.

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Rainer Auer
Morinville, AB
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----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Jobe <pjobe@...>
To: <C-P-R@...>
Sent: March 27, 2000 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] CP 5600's equipped with UP strobe light


From: Peter Jobe <pjobe@...>


I would say that the 1972 "EMD built" DRF-30j class 5629 - 5658 had
strobes
at one time or another.

5658 had one in 1985, 5654 had one when she was painted STLH in 1996.
single amber strobe light centered on front of cab roof, just above the
bell

UP units that were made CP leaders were in the low 3400's, 3414 for sure.





At 04:33 AM 3/27/00 -0000, you wrote:
From: timothy.organ@...

A number of years ago, CP & UP enter into a run through(sp?)
agreement in Western Canada(?).

At that time, UP equipped a group of units in the pool with CP ditch
lights, and CP equipped a group of units with UP strobe lights.

Can anyone confirm the details of this run through agreement, and how
many CP units were equipped with the strobe lights. What make and
model of strobe was applied.

Thanks THO.


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The Origin Of The Station name "MARS" Laggan Sub

Tom Price
 

Hello train buffs!

I work the Laggan Sub west of Calgary, and one station name remains a
mystery insofar as its origin. The station was called MARS, and was a
timing point (not a siding), just above the upper portal of the upper
spiral tunnel, where the west switch of Partridge Siding is today.
Partridge Siding was named after Seth Partridge whose heroic efforts
to warn the people at Yoho of an approaching mud slide off Mount
Cathedral resulted in saving many lives in August 1925.

All other station names in the area follow a recognizable pattern,
except MARS which does not fit with any convention of the era.

Does anybody have any idea of the origin of the name MARS, and where
it could be researched?

Thanks in advance,

TAPMAN
Re: Added Pictures

Mike Salfi
 

Does anyone know why these files appear as .bmp files after being downloaded
from the files area rather than .jpg's as they were initially uploaded (and
is identified in the files area for these particular images)?

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Jajko [mailto:alcomlw@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 4:33 PM
To: C-P-R@...
Subject: [C-P-R] Added Pictures


From: "Chris Jajko" <alcomlw@...>

Greetings all,
I am writing this to let you all know that I have added
three pictures to the file section. The top picture is of the local
power heading down the Waterloo Sub. The middle pic is of a train
roaring up Orrs lake. And the bottom one is of another train going
aroung the wye in Galt. These aren't my best photos, that is why I
added them, to see what would what happen. I will post some better
photos in the future. Let me know what you think!

Chris


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Re: CP extended range dynamic and fuel tanks

Joe Smuin
 

Right on! And those plastic bags were well-remembered by a now-deceased
mechanical department supervisor who had to escort a CP Rail detour from
Kamloops to Edmonton. He was called to accompany the train with very
little warning, so grabbed a pair of clean clothes and climbed on a
trailing unit. Looking around, he decided that he needed a plastic bag
to put his change of clothes in. In the nose of the unit was a plastic
bag up on the shelf, neatly folded and tucked into the holder. He
grabbed it, fired his clothes into it and tucked the bag away for the
rest of the trip. At Edmonton, when he opened the bag, he nearly passed
out - the bag had been used for toilet purposes and you can imagine the
state of his clothes! He went shopping.

Joe Smuin

timothy.organ@... wrote:


From: timothy.organ@...

--- In C-P-R@..., Mike Pulaski <MPulaski@C...> wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, all of CP's orginal 40-2's have extend range
brakes
and the largest fuel tanks...
Extended range dynamics was standard on the dash two line for that
option...(I think)
To the best of my knowledge, CP units did not have extended range DB
(SD-40s). On the Dash two's, this feature is noted by the small
acess door on the DB blister located @ the front of the unit,
engineers side. CP's SD's have never had these.

The only units(SD40's/dash2's) that I know that are equipped with
this feature are the former QNS&L SD's and the former NS units.

I can remember that when the 5400's firsted arrived, there was a
bulletin advising that on these units the DB worked in a speed as low
a 3-5 mph ( if I remember correctly) For example, look at the DB
blister of a CSX SD40-2 to that of CP. CP units are missing the small
access door.

As for why CP would not by this feature: They are cheap.

It took a major, million dollar wreck out west before CP management
felt that it was wise to spend a million or so on a training program
for engineers for the new control stands and features of the new high
teck GE's & GM's.

Any employee who worked on the mainline before the use of FRED's can
tell you of the many options CP got for the crews. Cabs of engines
had the following....three crappy sits, a ice bucket for water and a
metal rack in the nose to hold the garage bag if you had to go to the
bathroom. Enjoy your 198 mile run...LOL

FYI

T. Organ

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Added Pictures

Chris Jajko
 

Greetings all,
I am writing this to let you all know that I have added
three pictures to the file section. The top picture is of the local
power heading down the Waterloo Sub. The middle pic is of a train
roaring up Orrs lake. And the bottom one is of another train going
aroung the wye in Galt. These aren't my best photos, that is why I
added them, to see what would what happen. I will post some better
photos in the future. Let me know what you think!

Chris
Re: OS Galt, Ontario

Thunderhawk
 

I've been on that one before. ;0)

Can only remember the 8580 cause it's the newest one........Was on 428 IIRC.

Going to bed,
TR Jones
Big Red Beaver Rail
Soo District


"John B. Ross" wrote:

From: "John B. Ross" <tanyetta.kennel@...>

Train #407 by Galt, Ontario with single unit #8580 this am. at 09:35.

JBR

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