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Plow pilots on the Selkirks
Ray and Myrna Matthews
Hi to all;
Re: Mark Beltranos' question and the reply from P. Bowers. The plow pilots were used during the late fall, winter, and early spring months on both the class T1a and T1b Selkirks until the mid to late 1940s (c.1946 to 1948) when it was decided to simply leave them on the entire year. This was the case from then until 1952/53 when they were re-assigned from the Revelstoke to Calgary mountainous territory to the Canadian prairies. At that time the plows were permanently removed from all of the T1a and b classes. The T1cs, which were delivered in early 1949 from Montreal Loco. Works, came to Calgary without plow pilots. They were immediately applied before they went into service on the Mountain and Laggan Subs., and remained on year round as was the case with the other 2-10-4s until they too were permanently removed from service in the mountains and sent to the prairies. Hope this answers your question. Ray Matthews |
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Re: Overhaul 4-axle units
I think we should be in mourning. The oldest transportation company in North
America ( chartered in New York State in 1823) and all we have to show for it are are 4 GP38-2's that were not even original D&H, and now they also are reportedly all but gone. I know that many other fine roads (MILW, MNS, DSS&A are all gone and even SOO is rapidly fading away) have also been lost. I only wish the folks at CP could help preserve a bit of American history. The D&H 7303 and 7304 still look good in the lightning stripe scheme and the 7307 and the 7312 do also. The latter 2 are the only ones that were "named" the 7307 is named "Competition" and the 7312 is named for retired D&H / CP employee Bernie O'Brien ( B.C. O'Brien) both are painted near the front steps of the respetive locomotives. For those that don't know the CP steamer at Steamtown (2317) here in Scranton was also recently named for Bernie. I wonder if any other CP employee has 2 CP locomotives named for them. Sorry to ramble on I only wish someone would see this that can save at least some of the remaining Lightning Striped units. My 2 cents worth. Tom. Tom & Sheri Morgan Scranton PA D&H, CP, CAR, MILW,StL&H, SOO The Beaver covers 2 nations |
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At the Falls this morning
At Smiths Falls, Ont this morning March 24st, 2000
#431-23 03:08am Departure (CP 6078, 5819,5815) (Westbound - Chalk River Sub.) #482-20 03:22am Departure (CP 6033, 5733,5663) (Eastbound to Montreal) #481-24 04:14am Departure (CP 9006*, 5901, 5768) (Westbound - Chalk River Sub.) #471-24 06:26am Departure (CP 6064, 6005, 5976, 5941*) (Westbound - Chalk River Sub.) #739-24 06:53am Departure (CP 5792, 5775) (Westbound - Belleville Sub.) #923-24 07:20am Arrival (CP 8574, 8553, 8507, 5621) (Westbound - Belleville Sub.) #432-23 07:55am Arrival (CP 6031, 5871,5722) (Eastbound to Montreal) * lead unit One empty grain left Montreal last night #301-21 with CP 9023,6076, 6004, 5956,5872*, soo6049 with 145 cars (8,800'++). I am sure it's one of the longest trains for the number of cars went through the Falls since many years. By the way, CP always removed AC units on grains loads to Quebec city in Montreal and replaced them by SD40-2???s before going on QGRY line to Quebec city. When CN had their derailment in December 1999 in Montreal, they detoured a lot of trains on QGRY and they were using AC units (2500 serie) on QGRY line. I guess because they had CN employee on each train that was using QGRY route versus QGRY who provided the staff to run the CP grains trains to Quebec city via Trois-Rivieres, Qc. Luc Lanthier Gatineau, Qc |
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Re: Kootenay Div. Info?
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How are you? I have seen the odd article you wrote in N Scale magazine but haven't seen you in Edmonton recently. I am still chugging away ... I have finished school and am now working for a small - but quickly growing - computer company. I haven't done much in the way of trains lately although Chris and I are still working away on Dr. Gushaty's layout. Did you see the decals I made for the Mandarin Orange Express? Anyway, I don't know much about Nelson although I am looking for the same kind of info. about Field ... for the early seventies ... Take Care: Fred Downing -----Original Message-----
From: Don Wigen [mailto:dkootdiv@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 5:45 PM To: C-P-R@... Subject: [C-P-R] Kootenay Div. Info? From: Don Wigen <dkootdiv@...> Hi Guys: I'm in the planning stages of building a model railroad based on part of the CPR's Kootenay Div.between Proctor & Castelgar 1963 era. I'm looking for a dispatchers sheet from Nelson so I get can get an idea of the traffic flow at that time period. I do have time tables but they don't give me any of the extra movements that took place. Thanks Don Wigen ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ C-P-R "Canadian Pacific Railway" |
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Re: At the Falls this morning
Thomas Sajnovic
CN's 2500's are not AC powered.
T.Sajnovic When CN had their derailment in December 1999 in Montreal,______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at |
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Updat and thanks: Re: Auction in Toronto area?
PBowers
Thanks to all of you who have replied to my query. The auction is a
"thinning out" of James A. (Jim) Brown's collection and the selling of the former CP Alliston station. Further items from other collections are expected to be added to Jim's. The auction is planned for Saturday, 17 June 2000, inTottenham. FYI, Jim is retaining certain personal items as well as his extensive photo and slide collection and still plans to be active in the hobby. Jim will have a web page for the upcoming auction up and running hopefully after after March 31st at www.allistonstation.com to give further details. A further release will be made on the lists in the near future. This will be an excellent oportunity to expand your collections! Stay tuned for further info!! PB I was told there was going to be a large railway memorabilia collectionauctioned off soon in the Toronto/Alliston area. Apparently listings of items was being distributed at the CRHA show last weekend. Any info on the net on this or any other info available as to items dates times etc? Peter Bowers To Reply: click on Owen Sound, Ont. Canada mailto:ve3gwx@... |
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Another Grey and Maroon on the road?
Ken Storey
I saw this on the Altamont Press discussion board. It
was posted by Dave Chornell. If its true, I'm suprised it hasn't been mentioned here first. "Today Canadian Pacific released GP38-2 3084 from their Ogden shops in Calgary painted in the new maroon and grey heritage scheme. The unit will be used to back up the other heritage units slated for service on the Royal Canadian excursions. The rest of the time, 3084 will be assigned to regular service out of Calgary. " Ken Storey |
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Re: Tenders, Feed Water Heaters, & Chinese trains.
James E.Mack
I have a 1924 book on ELESCO feed water heaters and CP and CN are listed as having
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Re: Vaughan Intermodal Yard - Motive Power
Peter Jobe
At 04:25 PM 3/21/00 -0500, you wrote:
From: "Croft, Paul" <croftp@...> the "bright yellow" unit is ex-CN SW9 7703 the black and yellow unit is ex-CN SW12RS 1254 7703 and 1254 were the original pair of switch units for VIT the other EMD SW and EMD GP's came from the USA As always, checking the industrial section of Canadian Trackside Guide 2000 will provide much information about these lococomtives and other industrial locomtovies in Canada. Peter Jobe Mississauga, Ont. 18.1 CP Galt Sub. |
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Re: Tenders, Feed Water Heaters, & Chinese trains.
Joe Smuin
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Some of you that are relatively new to railfanning may not know that an excellent book was published a number of years ago, which details Canadian Pacific Railway steam engines with about as much authority as possible. That book is CANADIAN PACIFIC STEAM LOCOMOTIVES by Omer Lavallee. The late Mr. Lavallee was the corporate historian or archivist for the CPR for many years and was extremely knowledgeable on the topic of CPR steam engines. Now (so far as I know) out of print, this book will not be easy to come by and will be very expensive, if found. However, it is worth every cent as it virtually details the basic information about every steam engine the CPR ever owned. Superheating details will, off course, not be detailed to the last changeout, but the book still gives information upon such matters. Perhaps while talking about knowledgeable people and keeping the records straight, it would be helpful to point out for the benefit of those who don't know that Ray Matthews is also an very knowledgeable individual when it comes to Canadian railroading, especially in western Canada. A lifelong railfan, he worked his way through Operations Department ranks on the Canadian National Railways, holding a very respectable management position when he retired. He has published or been involved with the publishing of a number of works dealing with railroading in western Canada. There are probably very few people in this country as well acquainted as Ray is with Canadian railway operations AND the steam and diesel motive power assigned to western Canada on both the CPR and CNR. For you current CPR employees, just out of curiosity, what kind of train lengths are you handling on the main lines these days? At the BC Rail North Vancouver yard this morning, we put out a 146 car train with a stretched length of 10,600 feet. Considering that was northbound, it was pretty near the record, so far as I can tell. How does that stack up with you guys over there on the Chicanery Pacific?? Joe Smuin Port Coquitlam Ray and Myrna Matthews wrote:
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Tenders, Feed Water Heaters, & Chinese trains.
Ray and Myrna Matthews
Hello All!
Sorry this pertains to items back on Mar. 19th, but I just got around to reading my back "onelists". First, Doug Rhodes says as the first of the CP G3 class heavy Pacifics were built in 1919, the photo of the "Chinese" train could have been taken in that year. The only thing is both the early G3 and G4 classes were not built with feed water heaters. They were applied almost ten years later. Sorry Doug, but it sounds more and more like the now infamous photo is not what it was supposed to be. Now, a little "nit-picking" with Donald Scott who has stated that the CPR "pioneered" the application of Elesco "Bundle" style Feed Water Heaters around 1927/28. I assume this means applications in Canada. If that is what you meant Donald, then you are away off base. I cannot say when they were first applied in the USA, but on the CNR the first Elesco FWH was installed on Mikado # 3498 in June 1920. Apparently this was tested for a year or so as none were installed in 1921, but by 1922 CNR began to apply them in earnest. Also, the tenders with the curved in edges on the G5 class 1200s did not begin with the 1231, as stated. The 1231 was the last of the G5b class and had a straight edged tender. The 1232, the first of the G5c class was the first 1200 with a curved-top tender. Don't be fooled by photos because in the mid-1950s, after they began scrapping some of the 1200s, some of those with straight tenders received curved ones, and vice versa. Not many, but a few. With regard to the 3100 series 4-8-4s, the "elephant ears" smoke deflectors came off a while before they were transferred out west. I have photos of them on passenger trains in eastern Quebec and the maritimes, and the deflectors were gone then. Of interest, they were not immediately converted to burn oil but continued to operate out of several prairie terminals as coal burners. At various times they were were assigned to such places as Winnipeg, Moose Jaw, and Medicine Hat before being converted late in 1956. At this time they received the tenders from scrapped T1a class 2-10-4s Nos. 5906 and 5916. I think the conversions were done at Ogden Shops in Calgary as I saw the former coal tenders there in 1957. Yes, they were very rarely seen west of Medicine Hat, but I saw them both, as coal and oil burners at Calgary. Sorry for being so picky Donald, but there is one more item. In one of your very interesting lists of locomotives you saw during your trips across the country you stated that one of the engines you saw at port Coquitlam (I think it was in 1953), you listed D10 No. 611. Sorry, that engine was scrapped in May of 1949 at Winnipeg. I suggest the one you saw was 911 which had come off Vancouver Island a few years previous, and was often around Vancouver during the early 1950s. Again, Doug and Donald, sorry to be pecking away at what appear to be minor technicalities, but we have to keep the records straight. Ray Matthews |
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A "FUN" DAY ON THE LAGGAN SUB.
Chris Davidson
What a fun day on the Laggan Sub. First it was still supposed to chinook, and we wound up with 2 inches on snow! Typical spring weather in Alberta.
08:15 - Descending the hill into Cochrane saw 477 stopped just west of the detector, MP 19.6. For the last couple days it hasn't been running properly. Read out gave two alarms, nothing was found by the crew. Power was 6001,6072, & 5873. RTC said they'd meet an eastbound mixed at Radnor. 09:01 - Eastbound 8551,8508 & BC Rail SD40-2 6206, second time this week I've seen it around. I've also seen some MKCX SD40/45's. Is CP once again power short? Which doesn't make sense with all of the SD40's in storage. Managed to clear the detector without any trouble. Ice-breaker boxcar 410007 trailing the loaded hoppers picked up at Exshaw. 10:38 - Potash, 672, with 9530 & 8555. Two alarms read out by the detector, nothing found by train crew. RTC getting up tight about the problem, and delays. 13:45 - Westbound grain, 369, with SD's 6012,6020,5802,5978. Been a while since the good old "ground pounders" have been assigned to a drag freight. I hope that Bob Eley catches them out on the Shuswap Sub. Would be nice to see them coming up the east side of Rogers Pass, and on Notch Hill, in the cut at Carlin, and the big loop. Four alarms read out by the scanner, nothing found by the crew. 14:02 - RTC issues a TOP to the signal maintainer, # 522, between signals 14.7 & 23.8. Maintainer is to try and reset the detector. 14:35 - TOP # 522 is cancelled to allow a pair of grain drags through, and too see if the problem has been corrected. 15:04 - Detector reads more than six alarms on 9615 west, 355, 474 axle count. Pulls up between switches at MP 23.8 & 25.1, holds the main. Trailing is 9505 and 9579 in mid-train. Nothing found by crew. 15:39 - Detector reads three alarms on 9501 west, 357, 474 axle count. Pulls into the siding beside 355, and checks for defects, nothing found. Trailing is 9638, and 9626 in mid-train. Maybe tomorrow will be better! Chris Davidson Cochrane, Alberta MP 23 Laggan Sub. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at |
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CP car trace number.
NRRS - Paul Duncan
A few days ago, someone on CPRSOO or C-P-R asked what the CP Car trace
number was. I asked and found out. Here it is. 1-888-999-8111 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Niagara Regional Rail Spur - Webmaster: Paul Duncan, Welland, Ontario mailto:nrrs@... |
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Parry Sound Sub
Bill Miller
From: "camerons" <camerons@...>the Parry Sound sub to see "connection to Cn Bala sub? Is there a diamond or someother type of crossing there? I want to go rail fanning and want to see two railways for the price of one. There is a connecting track, actually two there. Follow the turnoff for James Bay Jct. Bill |
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What CPR equipment in use during 1952?
Timothy Lange
Hi,
I'm looking for a source that would tell me what kind of equipment, engines and cars, that CPR was using during 1952. I should also state the locality being around Lethbridge, Alberta. The info I have around here, West Lafayette, Indiana, USA, is slim. Thanks, Tim Lange West Lafayette, IN, USA jatlange@... |
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model books
camerons
Hi:
I know this is off topic but I don't know where else to turn so I do apolgize. What would the following railway model books be worth? Railway Model Craftsman.......Feb/1950 Model Trains.........................March/1954 Model Railroader...................Jan/1952 Please contact me off-list. cheers Doug camerons@... |
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rail fanning
camerons
Hi:
Can someone tell me what road I would turn off Hwy 69 to go to MP 20.3 of the Parry Sound sub to see "connection to Cn Bala sub? Is there a diamond or someother type of crossing there? I want to go rail fanning and want to see two railways for the price of one. Thanks cheers Doug |
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Re: 2-10-4 plows
John Trotter
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This is not intended to be a "commercial". We (Athabasca) expect to have the plow you ask about ready in the next few weeks. A while ago, a friend turned up an excellent article by W Gibb Kennedy on these plows in the November 1964 Model Railroader. The plows were removable - apparently the pilot was removed and the plow mounted in its place. Our kit is "generic CPR", and could be used for any loco working in heavy winter conditions. I don't suppose many modellers will want to hack off the nice pilot on their brass loco to put the plow on, and in many cases that may not be necessary. They might also be used more for "props" around the roundhouse - modeller's choice. I don't have a price for the kit yet, but it should come out less than $10.00. I don't know if the VH T-1c comes with a plow or not. Happy railroading! John G Trotter - President Athabasca Scale Models Limited Website: www.athabascashops.com -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Beltrano <mbeltrano@...> To: C-P-R@... <C-P-R@...> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:33 AM Subject: [C-P-R] 2-10-4 plows From: "Mark Beltrano" <mbeltrano@...> |
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