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Iron Highway
"John Reay" <[email protected]
Doug,
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I don't think CP is ever going to capture more than a tiny fraction of truck trailer traffic passing through your community on Hwy 401. Here are some reasons why it'll never happen. 1. The Belleville sub is single track and cannot accomodate enough additional traffic to make any significant impact. 2. The Smith's Falls crew change is not conducive to truck competitive timings. 3. CN competition 4. Independent truckers 5. A lot of the truck traffic you see on the 401 is destined for intermediate points, and cannot economically be serviced by rail. 6. A lot of truck traffic is over the road from Chicago. Unless it is already on a flatcar leaving Chicago, it's not likely to be on the rails between Toronto and Montreal. 7. A significant number of trucks on the 401 are actually drayage, to or from the intermodal yards of both CN and CP. CP's Iron Highway service seems primarily aimed at the fleet operator and is sold on a reserved guaranteed slot basis. The trucking company pays whether or not the service is used. Therefore the I.H. can theoretically be profitable even with many empty spots on the train. As they have just announced a significant expansion (longer trains rather than more trains), its performance must be deemed satisfactory. ...John Reay, mailto:reay@... From: Doug Hately <cprnut@...> |
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1057
James E.Mack
A few days ago they had postings about CPR 1057 at the South Simcoe
Railway. In end of May 1972 I was at the John Street engine house of the CP in Toronto. The 1057 was inside with the front off and flues out. A John Clark had been doing work on her. Mr. Clark was the CP engine house foreman. At that time I got a post card with a photo of the 1057 on it. On the back "- Purchased in August 1960 by Regal Stationery Co. Limited, Toronto." |
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Kinnear
Mark Liddell
Hi guys
Here is what I saw around Kinnear today... 1100 - 557 - StLH5649 CP5512 CP5580 Soo6000 48 cars 1855 - 521 - Soo6021 Soo6028 CP5505 ? cars 2115 - 558 - CP5623 CP5607 40 cars 2250 - 522 - Soo6054 CP5500 49 cars *522 originally departed at 1910 and got about 3 carlengths past the South Sdg Swt and the Soo6054 shut down, and they backed the train up to clear the brick yard and waited a couple hours for a diesel maintainer to look at it, 558 ran around them in the siding. The Soo6054 was eventually started after the batteries were filled. The engine would not start due to overheated batteries. Mark -- ______________________________________________ Mark Liddell Hamilton, Ontario ICQ#3400633 mailto:mliddell@... Website: ______________________________________________ |
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FROM MY RECORDS-CP RAIL TRAINSPOTTING-PORT COQUITLAM(VANCOUVER AREA)B.C.-CIRCA-1985
Donald Scott <[email protected]
Continued From June 2, 1995
Going Back to Circa-1985 Port Coquitlam, B.C. March 14, 1985 Eastend of yard: Yard engine GP-9 1579 Westend of Yard: 1352-GP-9's 8659-8661-8685 Transfer for Sapperton and New Westminster on southwest line Westminster sub-division. Runthrough from east coal-unit train to Pacific Coast Terminals Port Moody on Vancouver line: SD40-2-SD40-2. March 25, 1985-Newly outshopped GP-9 at east-end of diesel shop. March 31, 1985 Westend yard engine: GP-9 8685 1900- Westend yard engine-GP-9 8684. 1902-Grain trainsfer to Vancouver- GP-38 3001-GP-9 8665-GP-38 3005 April 1, 1985 Eastend of yard-yard engine GP-9 1579 Business car #7 1125- Intermodal train from east to CP Mayfiar Intermodal Terminal on southwest line: SD40-2's 6065-5570-6003. In consist CP Ships Trans-Atlantic containers. 1125-westend yard engines- GP-9's 1589(new rebuild)1582, 8659. April 5, 1985 Eastend yard engine-GP-9 1580 Westend of yard: Potash transfer to Sapperton on southwest line(1415)GP-9's 8684-8669-8683 Total 95 cars and caboose. July 19, 1985 Same location Westend yard engines- SW1200RS 1207, GP-9 1589. Remarks unit 1207 belongs downtwon Vancouver. To Be Continued. Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C. |
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Lakes District, Cartier Sub lineup for June 3rd.
Wayne Regaudie
I'm back in Sudbury for a day, then back east again.
I managed to get a lineup this morning. For those who want it, here it is. For those who don't, press delete. :) - - - - - - - - - - - Algoma District Cartier Subdivision General Train Status Report Thursday June 03 1999 Westward: CP 6035 435 Arrive Romford 08:50 to Cartier *1 CP 9119 401 Depart Romford 09:20 to Cartier VIA 6215 185 Depart Sudbury 09:40 to Cartier CP 5773 407 Depart Romford 10:45 to Cartier POOL INCO-3 Depart Sudbury 12:30 to Levack CP 8549 403 Depart Romford 12:45 to Cartier CP 5933 481 Depart Coniston 13:30 to Cartier CP 6007 431 Depart Coniston 13:45 to Cartier CP 9006 471 Depart Coniston 14:30 to Cartier Eastward: RMS 5 Run light Depart Cartier 09:45 to Romford CP 5969 486 Depart Cartier 11:15 to Coniston CP 5822 482 Depart Cartier 11:45 to Coniston ?? ???? Extra Depart Sudbury 12:00 to Romford *2 POOL Falcon Depart Sudbury 12:00 to Mile 69.2 *3 POOL INCO-3 Depart Levack 14:30 to Sudbury CP 5971 716 (Acid) Depart Sudbury 16:45 Broadcast complete at 09:52 *1 Train 435 had work at Romford and Sudbury. *2 Power move to Toronto. *3 Falconbridge Turn running early today to get loads for 716 out early. End Wayne Mile 77 |
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Mission railbridge incident
Steve Goodman
Canadian Pacific's Mission Bridge was badly
damaged when a barge collided,with it early Wednesday Jun 2. A CPR maintence person at the bridge Wed,afternoon says it will be out of service for two weeks. There is considerable damage to the cribbing in the upriver side and apparently the bridge is tilted at a 15 degree angle in the open position with the up river side up in the air. The bridge which crosses the Fraser River to Abbotsford(formerly Matsqui) sees upwards of 25-30 trains a day,which include CP Coal and Containers trains,Via's Canadian and the Sumas local. CN will run 1 CP train each 4 hours,crossing over at Nepa one mile east of Basque. Ken Storey,Cam,and Helmut |
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[railswest] Mission railbridge update!
Steve Goodman
From: Ken Storey <klstorey@...> |
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Conrail Breakup off to good start
"Rainer Auer" <[email protected]
This JOC story just to keep you up to date. In this case, a smooth
transition is significant and relevant to the CPR (StL&H/D&H) as significant changes result in the East. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- CONRAIL BREAKUP Day one of merger: on track to success NS, CSX employees express both relief and apprehension BY RIP WATSON Journal of Commerce Staff Norfolk Southern Corp. and CSX Corp. steamed through an apparently trouble-free first day of service to former customers of Conrail Inc. with a sigh of relief and a whiff of employee apprehension. Those twin messages emerged from interviews with more than a dozen NS and CSX executives and employees in Jacksonville, Fla., and Altoona, Pa., during Tuesday's "Day One," when the two carriers divided up Conrail and formally began operations over their own expanded systems that move virtually all Eastern railroad traffic. "I'm cautiously optimistic," said Randy Coho, a member of the Transportation Communications Union that represents clerical workers in Altoona. "Everybody is assuming that wait and see attitude." Dennis Appleman, local chairman of the International Association of Machinists in Altoona, said most of his union's members "are concerned about their jobs. We have 460 machinists on June 1, 1999. How many will there be a year from now?" "Employment is always a concern," said 23-year Conrail veteran Jerry Conrad, a boilermaker in Altoona. "We're grateful we have a chance here. We are all waiting to see what happens." NS is the fourth employer for some Altoona workers, following Conrail, Penn Central and Pennsylvania Railroad. 'Just another merger' Conrad also said, "For a lot of people here, this isn't anything new. We're just going through another merger." It was another day at the office for CSX's director of train operations, Carl Caldwell, a 41-year industry veteran of 10 rail mergers. "We've had an excellent day," Caldwell said. "It's one of the best days we've had in a long time." "Our people have been so apprehensive," said Don Menefee, a general chairman of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers in Jacksonville. He praised CSX President Pete Carpenter for helping smooth the transition. "Many of these people are concerned for their jobs," said Federal Railroad Administrator Jolene Molitoris, who visited Altoona and Jacksonville for a first-hand look. "They have been through several mergers," she said. "Their experience has not always been good. "It's incumbent on the unions, NS and FRA to assure that these people have enough information in a timely way that the insecurity is taken away." Prodded by Rep. Bud Shuster, R-Pa., NS promised to spend $67 million to upgrade the Altoona facilities and move 178 jobs there. "These commitments were only a down payment," Molitoris said. "Our responsibility is assuring that those commitments are met." Attracting business Another commitment made by NS and CSX is to use their new assets to attract new business. "Railroads have to be strong for the 21st century," Molitoris said. "We care a lot about market share at FRA. If the railroads can't gain market share, things don't look too great." Executives at both railroads tried to project a business-as-usual attitude. "Everything seems to be running fine," said NS Chairman David Goode. "We have a good beginning." "We came out of this weekend in great style," said Michael Ward, CSX executive vice president. "I've had a most wonderful day. Hopefully, this is a harbinger of what will happen in the future." The excitement showed through in others. Ray Thigpen, CSX assistant vice president, was in Jacksonville, but he really wanted to be on the first train running east from Chicago -- an intermodal service loaded with parcel traffic. Menefee injected some caution by discussing operations in Chicago, where the railroad and the union battled over the procedures for qualifying current CSX workers to run trains over former Conrail lines. Chicago also was a focal point, because UTU General Chairman Carl Cochran said CSX provided crews for several Norfolk Southern trains there because of a temporary NS crew shortage. 'Great safety record' Safety at NS, which has won the industry's top safety award for 10 consecutive years, also was a prominent topic. Asked about differences between his old and new employers, Coho said "Norfolk is more safety-conscious." "NS has a great safety record," Appleman said. "They don't vary. If it's a rule, it's a rule." A recent NS bulletin to Conrail engineers underlined that view. "An engineer will be subject to discipline when speeding results in an accident and/or whenever the train is operated at an excessive speed," the notice said. "To repeat, engineers guilty of excessive speed will be subject to dismissal," the bulletin said in closing. Molitoris said, "That letter was in a very traditional railroad mode. You can get the facts out about safety in a way that is not harsh. I believe NS will revise it (the way safety messages are sent)."I Rip Watson can be reached at (410) 494-9959 or rwatson@... |
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Weekly Performance Reports
"Rainer Auer" <[email protected]
Looks like the CPR has changed its methods for calculating "Train Speeds",
resulting in a dramatic increase, see . Does anyone have any info on the difference? ============ Rainer Auer Morinville, AB ============ |
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Re: TUG & BARGE HITS CPR's MISSION RAILWAY BRIDGE-DETOURS
Bridge out of commission at Mission... :-)
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Patrick Lawson On the radio news in Vancouver at 0700, said the CPR Mission, B.C. |
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Re: RS10's / RS18's differences
Doug Hately
Paul Tatham wrote:
I'd say this discussion about long hood forward goes back to the steam days. The front end of a steam engine provided plenty of crew protection from a front end collision. It has been reported that the engineer of a steam train would even open the throttle if an unavoidable level crossing accident was about to take place. The fear was that some part of the car or truck on the crossing would go under the locomotive and derail it. By increasing speed the vehicle might be knocked clear of the train. Most early first generation road switchers ran long hood forward. The improvement in visibility with the short hood forward too favour over the loss of impact protection and many units were converted while later orders on CP came short hood forward. This preference was a long time coming on the N&W, who ordered SD40s and SD45s with their long nose forward. BTW I wonder if it is true that all first generation road switchers on the CN (Canadian National) ran long hood forward????? Doug Hately |
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Re: Steam at South Simcoe?
"Jeff Pinchbeck" <[email protected]
Funny, my son does too. My son also wants to go to the Galt yards to wait for the steam engines to come by. They never do but at least he sees a diesel or 2 go by and he can go home happy. Jeff Pinchbeck jpinchbeck@... ph. 519-622-3619 ============================================================================ =============== Canadian Pacific SIG, vice Chair and Marketing director Join the CP SIG list ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Ken-----Original Message-----diesel, freight |
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A FEW CPR TRAINSPOTTINGS-PORT COQUITLAM(VANCOUVER AREA)B.C.
Donald Scott <[email protected]
CPR Port Coquitlam, B.C. All at westend of yard.
May 26, 1999 1035-SD-40's 5411-5414 departing on westbound transfer to downtown Vancouver-double-stack train, Trans-Pacific containers. Remarks: 5414 dual-flag scheme. May 27, 1999 1105-Outbound transfer to Westminster sub-soutwest line to CP Mayfair Intermodal terminal-all container cars unloaded: GP-38's 3007-3012. Remarks: unit 3007 dual-flag scheme. June 1, 1999 1040-Westend yard power: GP-9 1579-SW1200 1239(remote). Unit 1239 belongs downtown Vancouver. Remarks: 1579 lettered CP Rail System-candy apple red. 1112-Runthrough potash unit train from east to southwest Westminster sub enroute to Sapperton-"Canpotex" cars-good 100 cars. Units: GE AC4400 9651-GM SD-90 9129-GE AC4400 9567. Remarks: A number of "Canpotex" cars on one end-Canadian and Australian flag and underneath flags "Partners in Quality". June 2, 1999 1035- GP-38's 3001-3009 Container transfer to CP Mayfair Intermodal terminal on southwest line Westminster sub. Remarks: Unit 3009 dual-flag scheme. 1035-Double-stack transfer ready to depart for downtown Vancouver: GE AC4400 9559-SD-40 5402. Trans-Pacific containers. Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C. |
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RS10's / RS18's differences
Paul Tatham <[email protected]
This subject came up on the CP Bruce Branches list and as it's a subject
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re the CPR in general I am reposting it here... It's also a subject I've often wondered about. Perhaps one of you has the answer. -------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Owen Sound/Orangeville Sub Motive Power Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:29:01 -0400 From: Paul Tatham <ptatham@...> Organization: University of Guelph To: CP Bruce Branches Discussion List <CP_BRUCE@...> Ron Bouwhuis wrote: That painting difference was due to the RS10's being setup for long hoodRS18's were common - but there again I'm not good at identifyingWithout getting into issues of doors and louvres, I believe one of the easier > spotting differences involved the MultiMark: RS10 on the short hood; RS18 on > the long hood. forward - IIRC an RS10 was just an RS3 with full height hoods. The same method could be used for the maroon and gray scheme - RS10's had the gray "front" on the long hood end. Sure made it easy spotting which was which though! Anyone know why the RS10's and RS18's were configured this way? I note that other original long hood forward locos such as the FM's H-24-66 and H-16-44 were originally long hood forward but were soon converted to short hood forward. Scanning Rail Canada Vol 3 it looks like other than RS10's only the RS2's and 3's (which having a shorter hood had better long hood forward visibility) and the Baldwin DRS-4-4-1000 units remained long hood forward into CP Rail days. (That is of course excluding the end cab "switcher" type locos with no short hood - bit too little collision protection there!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul Tatham Phone : 519-824-4120 x2836 Senior Systems Analyst Fax : 519-766-9744 University Systems \ UC4 E-Mail : ptatham@... Computing & Communications Services Home : R.R. 2, Guelph, ON, N1H 6H8 University of Guelph : 519-837-1464 Ontario, Canada, N1G 2W1 : "Mileage 44.8, Guelph Sub" |
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Re: VIA leasors 1994-95
Bill Miller <[email protected]
Did the F40PH-2s actually go to Winnipeg?Yes. Does anyone in WPG have photos ? ---------------------------------------------------------- Bill Miller - CPR Editor CTC Board Railroads Illustrated ---------------------------------------------------------- ICQ# 9907692 The View From Galt Station " << MOVED !! Canadian Pacific Railway Diesel Locomotive Roster " ---------------------------------------------------------- |
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Re: QUICK-URGENT!!!!!
Sean Graham-White
From: Bryce Lee <brycelee@...>What are the Ontario Northland reporting marks? Sean |
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Re: VIA leasors 1994-95
Manny Jacob
Hmmm can you provide more detail about this? Did this ACTUALLY happen, or was it
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only talked about? Do photos exist someplace? Did the F40PH-2s actually go to Winnipeg? Thanks! Manny ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...> About a year later (after all were retuned), two or three re-appeared and CP tried to use them all over, Toronto to Winnipeg etc but it only lasted a week or three and they didn't work out. |
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QUICK-URGENT!!!!!
camerons
Hi everyone:
heard a rumor that one of the ONR new SD 75i's will be leaving Montreal on CP train # 431 departing approx.. 2240 tonight (June 2) arriving North Bay via Smith Falls approx.. 0630 / 0830 on June 3. Got people hear that want to take pictures. Can someone confirm this and provide more particulars? thanks cheers Doug camerons@... |
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Re: Steam at South Simcoe?
Rob Sterne
Shari Boland wrote:
Being born and raised during the diesel era (andShari is right. When you walk into the ECRM you have to walk right past ex-CP, RSD17, 8921 in order to get to ex-CN Hudson 5700. It's the NON railfans that ignore 8921 and go straight to 5700. So....my question is; will SSR be running any steam at all this season??You can ask them directly Shari. Their web site is . There is an e-mail address on the site somewhere. Rob |
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