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CP GP-38 3005 Back From Calgary in Port Coquitlam, B.C.
Donald Scott
As usual" The same old story; just had a phone call from Mark Forseille
of Coquitlam(just like the "Roundhouse Cat") was into CP's Port Coquitlam Yard-& diesel shop area today. Spotted former E&N Railfreight GP-38 3005 back from Calgary-relettered "Canadian Pacific". Likely 3004 will be next to go to Calgary. These two locomotives E&N lettered 3004-3005 looked real good while in transfer service in the "Green & Yellow" both units always clean and well groomed. Pacific Wilderness motive power (two GP-10,s) and about 13 heavy-weight passenger cars from Ohio Central destined Vancouver Island, for the new Tourist excursion railroad to operate over E&N trackage-passed through Cochrane, Alberta westbound on CP Train #469 and 1610MST as reported by Chris Davidson. Just a thought; "Mike From Canmore" may have had his Scanner on, or got the news, likely out walking his dog "Norm" along the CP tracks and was watching for CP Westbound #469. That's all folks. Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C. Coming soon-CPR's "Royal Canadian Pacific"-Luxury Rail Tour's. |
Re: vans
Luc Lanthier
As per CP Cabooses report of February 29th, 2000,
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434399 is leased to Ottawa Valley Rail Link in North Bay, Ont since July 7, 1998 434917 is leased to Ottawa Valley Rail Link in North Bay, Ont since May 12, 1998 Both were build in 1971. 434399 was last shopped in 1981 and 434917 was last shopped in 1986. As far as the location of 434399, I don't know..... -----Original Message-----
From: camerons <camerons@...> To: C-P-R <C-P-R@...> Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:54 PM Subject: [C-P-R] vans From: "camerons" <camerons@...>vans left in the yard in North Bay...CP434917and CP434399. I guess RLK gets to keep them??? I noticed the other day there is only one left 434917 with its number blacked out. What happened to 434399???
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Re: Heavyweights on 469
Rob Sterne
All this equipment is on its way to Vancouver Island to be a part of the Pacific
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Wilderness Railway which starts operation this June. The GP10's are ex-Ohio Central #705 and 706. The Ohio Central is very involved with this operation along with Ross Roland who has just put ex-C&O 4-8-4 #614 up for auction so he can concentrate on the new operation. Ross also owned Reading 2100 and 2101 at one time. Rob Chris Davidson wrote: From: "Chris Davidson" <Trainman79@...> |
Re: Horse Creek
Douglas Cummings
From: "Tim Schaben" <timschaben@...>trace, approximately 25+ BC Rail centrebeam flatcars and boxcars at Horse Creek BC? According to the trace some of them have been there since 3/8/00, last train being 986-08. Could this be tied up some way with the 763/764 trains? Thanks much. The car are probably in storage as there is little room to store them once they get to Vancouver. |
Horse Creek
Tim Schaben
Does anyone have ideas as to why there are, according to the CPR car trace, approximately 25+ BC Rail centrebeam flatcars and boxcars at Horse Creek BC? According to the trace some of them have been there since 3/8/00, last train being 986-08. Could this be tied up some way with the 763/764 trains? Thanks much. Tim.
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Re: Interesting rail fact
Joe Toole
I am desperately seeking a source to verify my claim, but here it is any
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way........ The story about RR guage being 4'8.5" having to do with Roman chariots is a myth. Think about it: If you can find two horses to squeeze into a trail of 4' 8.5" you've found two anorexic horses. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Eley" <genlee@...> To: <C-P-R@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [C-P-R] Interesting rail fact From: Bob Eley <genlee@...> |
vans
camerons
Hi guys:
here's a good one. When Railink took over the Cartier sub there were two vans left in the yard in North Bay...CP434917and CP434399. I guess RLK gets to keep them??? I noticed the other day there is only one left 434917 with its number blacked out. What happened to 434399??? cheers Doug |
Re: Interesting rail fact
Bob Eley
I posted a similar article to this about a year ago and am reposting it
because at the end, it has one more little known fact. Enjoy! The US standard railroad gauge (width between the two rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and the US railroads were built by English expatriates. Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did "they" use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons which used that wheel spacing. Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? Roman war chariots first formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for (or by) Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot. Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses. Thus, we have the answer to the original question. Now the twist to the story.............. There's an interesting extension to the story about railroad gauges and horses' behinds. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses' behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a Horse's Ass! Bob Eley ? ICQ # 7813066 Revelstoke (Pleasantville), B.C. If I can't take my Mac with me when I die, Then I'm not going |
Re: cp passenger trains
Bruce Dixon
At 09:16 3/10/2000 -0600, John Trotter wrote:
From: "John Trotter" <johntrotter@...> When I worked as a telegrapher at Gleichen, Alberta, there were a number of occasions when a GP or even (then-new) SD40 would be used on trains 1 and 2. If the unit was steam generator equipped, they would usually be used as the trailing unit, but I have seen a few occasions where an SD40 would lead account no s/g. Bruce D.B. (Bruce) Dixon, Senior Project Consultant Dixon, Klein and Associates Event Transportation Consultants Post Office Box 144 Creelman, Saskatchewan Canada S0G 0X0 Phone:(306)433-4404 Fax:(306)433-4721 mailto:bdixon@... |
FROM MY RECORDS-CANADIAN PACIFIC TRAINSPOTTING-PORT COQUITLAM, B.C.-CIRCA-1998=B#77
Donald Scott
CPR Trainspotting-Port Coquitlam(Vancouver Area)B.C.-1998
Continued From B#66 March 4, 1999 All Observations From West-end of Port Coquitlam, B.C. Yard-Unless Noted. Port Coquitlam, B.C. February 25, 1998 1020-Power for Westbound transfer: GP38-2's 3112-3104-3061-departed at 1050. 1020-Westend yard engines GP-9's 1579, 1685(remote) Remarks: unit 1579 Canday Apple Red scheme-lettered CP Rail 1020-Double-stack transfer for downtown Vancouver: E&N Railfreight GP-38 3004-GP-38 3002-GP38-2 3090 Trans-Pacific continers-several shipping lines. Remarks: E&N Railfreight 3004 in green & yellow paint scheme(CPR subsidiay)on Vancouver Island. February 27, 1998 Same Location: 1055-main-line power dead-head from downtown Vancouver-earlier runthrough from East: GE AC 4400CW's 9514-9650-9544 March 2, 1998 Same Location: 1052-Grain-unit train from East-runthrough to Sapperton on southwest line(Westminster Sub): GE AC4400CW's 9551-9599. Note unit 9599 new unit. Westend yard engine- GP-9 1685 old action red, working Remote. Seen SD40-2's 5934-5518. March 6, 1998 Same Location: 1000-Train #401 Intermodal from Toronto-runthrough to Southwest line(westminster Sub) enroute to CPR's Mayfair Intermodal Terminal: Power: SD40-2 6051-Leased GATX SD40-2 7354-SD40-2 5582 Remarks: Leased GATX unit 7354 painted Blue-with white trim. 1000-E&N Railfreght(CP) GP-38 3004-GP-38 3002-GP38-2 3090 for westbound transfer 1015-Transfer for westbound(Vancouver Line) GP-35's 5025-5022 Chemical tank cars(CP here call them Cigars) plus other. March 7, 1998 Same Location: 1145-Grain unit train terminated from East: GE AC4400CW's 9529-9650-9514 Remarks: Unitis 9529 and 9514 both with RCMP Musical Ride logo. March 9, 1998 Same Location: Power for westbound transfer-GP38-2 3112-GP-38 3003 time was 1027 1027-westbound yard engine GP-9 1685(remote) 1030-Westbound double-stack container transfer to downtown Vancouver-Trans-Pacific traffic: Units-E&N Railfreight(CP) GP-38 3004-GP-38 3002. March 12, 1998 Same Location: 1125-Mixed freight from East-SD40-2's 5875-High-hood 5480-B unit-Leased SD40-2 HLCX 6202-GE AC4400CW 9547 March 13, 1998 Same Location: 0805-Westcoast Express/CP commuter rail westbound to Vancouver from Mission 0805-Deadhed to shop from Sapperton off southwest line(Westminster Sub) earlier runthrough from East: GE AC4400CW's -Three-units numbers unknown. 0820-Freight arriving from East-Terminated: SD40-2,s 5508-5914-6405 All units Candy Apple Red with dual-flag logo. Remarks: Unit 6405 relettered from SOO Line 0820-Grain-unit train from East-runthrough to Sapperton on southwest line(Westminster Sub): Units-GE AC4400CW's 9671-9661-9656 Westend yard engines Two GP-9's numbers unknown. 1000-Deadhead-main line power off southwest line from Sapperton earlier runthrough on grain train from East: GE AC4400's 9671-9661-9656 to shop for tie-up. 1000-Power for wesbound transfer GE AC4400CW's 9612-9571 March 17, 1998 Same Location:1055 Intermodal train from East including double-stacks to southwest line(Westminster Sub) enroute to CPR's Mayfair Intermodal Terminal: Power-SD40-2F 9015-SD40-2's 5757-60261055-Power for Westbound trnsfer to downtown Vancouver-GP-35's 5012-5005-GP-38 3001 Remarks-Unit 5005 in Canday Apple Red scheme with dual-flag logo March 18, 1998 Car shop-SW1200RS 8106 shop switcher. To Be Continued At a Later Date. Please note: New e-mail address: donald _scott@... Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C. Canadian Pacific-Spanning The World Since The 1880's. |
Visit at CP St-Luc yard & CN Taschereau yard in Montreal, Qc.
Luc Lanthier
From a visit to CP St-Luc yard in Montreal today(Monday), here's what I
saw... CP 9550 SOO 6009,6617 CP6048 CP5903, 5905, 5905, 5931, 5933, 5991 CP5729, 5787 CP5611,5667, 5689 CP5550, 5553,5519............++ #535 Departure with CP 5567, 5661 & 5643 #500-10 arrived at St-Luc yard this afternoon with only #8534 and 85+ cars From a visit to CN Taschereau yard in Montreal today(Monday), here's what I saw... In the yard, CN 4727, 4810 CN 5785, 5798 CN 5245, 5263, 5403, 5528, 9424, +++......... PLUS UNSUAL LOCOMOTIVES.... NBEC #6901 FURX #3028 (ex: ???) KCS #6603 National Railway Equipment # 869 and 892 MBTA #1124 LLPX #2231 ??? in the storage tracks: CN 3536, 3580 CN 7301, 7302, 7312, 7314, 7317, 7202, 400, 14 CN 7731, 8702, 8703, 8704, 8705, 8708, 8709 That's it for now Luc Lanthier Gatineau, Qc. |
Re: E&N Units
Joe Smuin
Mark:
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I don't know who you could ask that could supply a definitive answer. However, I think that it is a pretty save bet that such cars would have made appearances from time to time, though hard to say now for what purposes. Because that is main line territory, it is pretty certain that almost every type of freight service rolling stock owned by the CPR would have made at least an occasional appearance. I would be very surprised if anybody could logically argue, much less prove, that those cars DIDN'T make runs between those points during that period. Run 'em on your layout and don't sweat about historical accuracy! regards, Joe Smuin Mark Beltrano wrote:
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Re: E&N Units
Mark Beltrano
Hello,
I have been conducting some research on the CPR through the Rockies. I have been gathering information on the line durring the last days of steam around 1950-1953. I am wondering if anyone can tell me if the railway ran any of it's Big Otis gons durring this time between Field and Golden B.C.? Any information on this subject would be of great help to me. Regards, Mark Beltrano |
Re: CPR Station locations?
Joe Smuin
Christian:
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Chase is 94.8 miles to the west of Revelstoke. It is a former pusher turnaround point for pusher engines based at Notch Hill. (Notch Hill is the summit of a hill between Chase and Salmon Arm, B. C.) It is semi-desert country, in general - God's country. regards, Joe Smuin Christian Base wrote:
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CP Chase location
Jim Johnston
Hi Christian:
Chase BC is 95 miles west of Revelstoke on CP's Shuswap Sub. (Timetable shows Chase as mile 94.8) It is a spot where CP often sets off loco's that aren't needed from there to the coast. From Chase westward the CP largely follows the Thompson and Fraser Rivers hence the grades, while not non-existent, are nowhere near as severe as they are in the big mountains to the east. Another favourite set-off point for unneeded locomotives is "Ducks" at mile 111.3. After a number of locomotives accumulate, an eastbound will stop and pick em' up; thus its not unusual to see eastbounds abundantly powered east of Chase. This power either gets set-off at Golden or is handled right through to Calgary to be ready to power more westbounds over the mountains. Jim Johnston Salmon Arm BC |
Agincourt West 03/13/00
Off work early, head to the tracks...
1650 STLH 5593 (SD40-2) CP 5417 (SD40-2) in KCS White 40 cars departure westbound mixed freight 1710 CP 5603 (SD40-2) CP 5668 (SD40-2) CP 7310 (GP38-2) 40 cars departure westbound mixed freight note: both previous trains had one flat with 5 farm tractors on board! 1725 MOW pickup 12037 reverses eastbound 1735 MOW pickup 12037 returns westbound (darn block permits) 1744 CP 6043 (SD60) not SOO anymore CP 1103 (C424) CP 5534 (SD40) CP 5669 (SD40-2) 60 cars arrival eastbound mixed freight 1812 CP 5942 (SD40-2) CP 5999 (SD40-2) 42 cars departure westbound mixed freight 1849 SOO 6032 (SD60) SOO 6035 (SD60) 51 cars departure westbound mixed freight 1910 CP 8523 (AC4400CW) 35 cars arrival eastbound autoparts/intermodal 1923 CP 5692 (SD40-2) CP 5767 (SD40-2) CP 6015 (SD40-2) 47 cars arrival eastbound mixed freight -holds for 2 mins at my location, then guns it into yard. Good variety... |
Canadian railway news monthly
Tim Green
Bryce Lee's "Canada Calling" online column ended with the issue published
early March 2000 on TrainsCan and other sites. It will not be easy following Bryce's tracks. However, starting April 1 (most certainly an auspicious date!), TrainsCan will publish a news letter devoted to news and comment on the Canadian railway community. Plans are that this become a monthly online production. Watch the News section of TrainsCan (URL below) for the first issue of "TrainScan Canadian Railway News"! If you have news items concerning railways or the railway industry in Canada, please let me know by email off-list. While it's getting harder to determine what is or is not a Canadian railway, I've loosely defined the focus of TrainScan to be anything to do with railways in Canada, with CN and CP activities in the U.S., and items of interest in U.S. or Mexican railways or industry that have a major impact on railways in Canada. From my vantage point in Edmonton, I don't always know about issues or activities in other parts of the continent, so I seek your assistance. If you would like to write a short article, or a periodic column, let's discuss by email. I won't hold anyone down to hard commitments which may be difficult to keep in the future. But again, I welcome your input and feedback. Email to: news@... ( mailto:news@... ) or to the email address below. Just making the world a better place to live! Cheers, ###### |\^/| Timothy C. Green, CD, PEng, MEng ###### _|\| |/|_ tcg@... ###### > < TrainsCan, RailWeb, TCG PEng ###### >_./|\._< |
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