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CP GP-38 3005 Back From Calgary in Port Coquitlam, B.C.

Donald Scott
 

As usual" The same old story; just had a phone call from Mark Forseille
of Coquitlam(just like the "Roundhouse Cat") was into CP's Port
Coquitlam Yard-& diesel shop area today. Spotted former E&N Railfreight
GP-38 3005 back from Calgary-relettered "Canadian Pacific". Likely 3004
will be next to go to Calgary.

These two locomotives E&N lettered 3004-3005 looked real good while in
transfer service in the "Green & Yellow" both units always clean and
well groomed.

Pacific Wilderness motive power (two GP-10,s) and about 13 heavy-weight
passenger cars from Ohio Central destined Vancouver Island, for the new
Tourist excursion railroad to operate over E&N trackage-passed through
Cochrane, Alberta westbound on CP Train #469 and 1610MST as reported by
Chris Davidson.

Just a thought; "Mike From Canmore" may have had his Scanner on, or got
the news, likely out walking his dog "Norm" along the CP tracks and was
watching for CP Westbound #469.

That's all folks.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

Coming soon-CPR's "Royal Canadian Pacific"-Luxury Rail Tour's.


Re: vans

Luc Lanthier
 

As per CP Cabooses report of February 29th, 2000,

434399 is leased to Ottawa Valley Rail Link in North Bay, Ont since July 7,
1998
434917 is leased to Ottawa Valley Rail Link in North Bay, Ont since May 12,
1998

Both were build in 1971. 434399 was last shopped in 1981 and 434917 was
last shopped in 1986.

As far as the location of 434399, I don't know.....

-----Original Message-----
From: camerons <camerons@...>
To: C-P-R <C-P-R@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:54 PM
Subject: [C-P-R] vans


From: "camerons" <camerons@...>

Hi guys:

here's a good one. When Railink took over the Cartier sub there were two
vans left in the yard in North Bay...CP434917and CP434399. I guess RLK gets
to keep them??? I noticed the other day there is only one left 434917 with
its number blacked out. What happened to 434399???

Doug


Re: Heavyweights on 469

Rob Sterne
 

All this equipment is on its way to Vancouver Island to be a part of the Pacific
Wilderness Railway which starts operation this June. The GP10's are ex-Ohio
Central #705 and 706. The Ohio Central is very involved with this operation
along with Ross Roland who has just put ex-C&O 4-8-4 #614 up for auction so he
can concentrate on the new operation. Ross also owned Reading 2100 and 2101 at
one time.

Rob

Chris Davidson wrote:

From: "Chris Davidson" <Trainman79@...>

TRAIN 469 PASSED THROUGH AT 16:10 WITH SD40-2's, 6067,9007, AND DEADHEADING
BEHIND ARE PACIFIC EXPRESS GP10's, (THEY LOOK LIKE ex. OK.VALLEY
UNITS.OMNI-TRAX) #'s 605 & 606 (I BELIEVE, I WAS MOVING TRUCKS, ONLY GOT A
QUICK LOOK.) ON THE TAIL-END ARE AT LEAST 12 OR 13 OLD HEAVYWEIGHT COACHES,
ONE STILL LETTERED CB&Q, 4 OR 5 ex. VIA (STILL BLUE), THE REST OHIO CENTRAL
CARS, FOLLOWED BY AN OC STEAM GENERATOR CAR. KICKING HORSE DID YOU HAPPEN TO
SEE 469 UP YOUR WAY?

TAKE CARE,
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Re: Horse Creek

Douglas Cummings
 

From: "Tim Schaben" <timschaben@...>

Does anyone have ideas as to why there are, according to the CPR car
trace, approximately 25+ BC Rail centrebeam flatcars and boxcars at Horse
Creek BC? According to the trace some of them have been there since 3/8/00,
last train being 986-08. Could this be tied up some way with the 763/764
trains? Thanks much.

The car are probably in storage as there is little room to store them once
they get to Vancouver.


Horse Creek

Tim Schaben
 

Does anyone have ideas as to why there are, according to the CPR car trace, approximately 25+ BC Rail centrebeam flatcars and boxcars at Horse Creek BC? According to the trace some of them have been there since 3/8/00, last train being 986-08. Could this be tied up some way with the 763/764 trains? Thanks much. Tim.


Re: Interesting rail fact

Joe Toole
 

I am desperately seeking a source to verify my claim, but here it is any
way........ The story about RR guage being 4'8.5" having to do with Roman
chariots is a myth. Think about it: If you can find two horses to squeeze
into a trail of 4' 8.5" you've found two anorexic horses.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Eley" <genlee@...>
To: <C-P-R@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] Interesting rail fact


From: Bob Eley <genlee@...>

I posted a similar article to this about a year ago and am reposting it
because at the end, it has one more little known fact. Enjoy!

The US standard railroad gauge (width between the two rails) is 4 feet,
8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used?
Because that's the way they built them in England, and the US railroads
were built by English expatriates.
Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines
were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and
that's the gauge they used.
Why did "they" use that gauge then? Because the people who built the
tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons
which used that wheel spacing.
Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if
they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some
of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of
the wheel ruts.
So who built those old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in
Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome for their legions. The
roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? Roman war
chariots first formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match
for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made
for (or by) Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel
spacing. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches
derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are
handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you
may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made
just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses. Thus, we
have the answer to the original question.

Now the twist to the story..............
There's an interesting extension to the story about railroad gauges and
horses' behinds. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad,
there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel
tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by
Thiokol at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs
might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be
shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line
from the factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs
had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the
railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses'
behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the world's most
advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago
by the width of a Horse's Ass!


Bob Eley .
ICQ # 7813066
Revelstoke (Pleasantville), B.C.

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vans

camerons
 

Hi guys:

here's a good one. When Railink took over the Cartier sub there were two vans left in the yard in North Bay...CP434917and CP434399. I guess RLK gets to keep them??? I noticed the other day there is only one left 434917 with its number blacked out. What happened to 434399???

cheers

Doug


Re: CP 9159 Pictures

Steve Waller
 

At 11:40 PM 3/13/00 -0000, you wrote:
From: "Jeff Pluemer" <IMRL391@...>


Re: Interesting rail fact

Bob Eley
 

I posted a similar article to this about a year ago and am reposting it
because at the end, it has one more little known fact. Enjoy!

The US standard railroad gauge (width between the two rails) is 4 feet,
8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used?
Because that's the way they built them in England, and the US railroads
were built by English expatriates.
Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines
were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and
that's the gauge they used.
Why did "they" use that gauge then? Because the people who built the
tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons
which used that wheel spacing.
Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if
they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some
of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of
the wheel ruts.
So who built those old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in
Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome for their legions. The
roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? Roman war
chariots first formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match
for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made
for (or by) Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel
spacing. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches
derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot.
Specifications and bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are
handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you
may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made
just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses. Thus, we
have the answer to the original question.

Now the twist to the story..............
There's an interesting extension to the story about railroad gauges and
horses' behinds. When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad,
there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel
tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by
Thiokol at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs
might have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be
shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line
from the factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs
had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the
railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses'
behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the world's most
advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago
by the width of a Horse's Ass!


Bob Eley ?
ICQ # 7813066
Revelstoke (Pleasantville), B.C.

If I can't take my Mac with me when I die,
Then I'm not going


Re: cp passenger trains

Bruce Dixon
 

At 09:16 3/10/2000 -0600, John Trotter wrote:
From: "John Trotter" <johntrotter@...>

Hi Russ

While FP7/9's with F7/9 "B" Units were certainly the intended power for "the
Canadian", there were many exceptions.If you have or can find a copy of
Nicholas Morant's book - "Canadian Pacific" , and look in the section at the
back that deals with "The Canadian" you can find shots that show road
switchers running with the "F's" (see pages 416, 440 and 432 as examples.

These shots show the road switchers trailing, and I suspect CP tried to at
least have a proper "A" unit in the lead.

When I worked as a telegrapher at Gleichen, Alberta, there were a number of
occasions when a GP or even (then-new) SD40 would be used on trains 1 and
2. If the unit was steam generator equipped, they would usually be used
as the trailing unit, but I have seen a few occasions where an SD40 would
lead account no s/g.

Bruce


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FROM MY RECORDS-CANADIAN PACIFIC TRAINSPOTTING-PORT COQUITLAM, B.C.-CIRCA-1998=B#77

Donald Scott
 

CPR Trainspotting-Port Coquitlam(Vancouver Area)B.C.-1998
Continued From B#66 March 4, 1999

All Observations From West-end of Port Coquitlam, B.C. Yard-Unless
Noted.

Port Coquitlam, B.C.
February 25, 1998
1020-Power for Westbound transfer: GP38-2's 3112-3104-3061-departed at
1050.

1020-Westend yard engines GP-9's 1579, 1685(remote)
Remarks: unit 1579 Canday Apple Red scheme-lettered CP Rail
1020-Double-stack transfer for downtown Vancouver: E&N Railfreight GP-38
3004-GP-38 3002-GP38-2 3090
Trans-Pacific continers-several shipping lines.
Remarks: E&N Railfreight 3004 in green & yellow paint scheme(CPR
subsidiay)on Vancouver Island.

February 27, 1998
Same Location:
1055-main-line power dead-head from downtown Vancouver-earlier
runthrough from East:
GE AC 4400CW's 9514-9650-9544

March 2, 1998
Same Location:
1052-Grain-unit train from East-runthrough to Sapperton on southwest
line(Westminster Sub):
GE AC4400CW's 9551-9599. Note unit 9599 new unit.
Westend yard engine- GP-9 1685 old action red, working Remote.
Seen SD40-2's 5934-5518.

March 6, 1998
Same Location:
1000-Train #401 Intermodal from Toronto-runthrough to Southwest
line(westminster Sub) enroute to CPR's Mayfair Intermodal Terminal:
Power: SD40-2 6051-Leased GATX SD40-2 7354-SD40-2 5582
Remarks: Leased GATX unit 7354 painted Blue-with white trim.
1000-E&N Railfreght(CP) GP-38 3004-GP-38 3002-GP38-2 3090 for westbound
transfer
1015-Transfer for westbound(Vancouver Line) GP-35's 5025-5022 Chemical
tank cars(CP here call them Cigars) plus other.

March 7, 1998
Same Location:
1145-Grain unit train terminated from East: GE AC4400CW's 9529-9650-9514
Remarks: Unitis 9529 and 9514 both with RCMP Musical Ride logo.

March 9, 1998
Same Location:
Power for westbound transfer-GP38-2 3112-GP-38 3003 time was 1027
1027-westbound yard engine GP-9 1685(remote)
1030-Westbound double-stack container transfer to downtown
Vancouver-Trans-Pacific traffic:
Units-E&N Railfreight(CP) GP-38 3004-GP-38 3002.

March 12, 1998
Same Location:
1125-Mixed freight from East-SD40-2's 5875-High-hood 5480-B unit-Leased
SD40-2 HLCX 6202-GE AC4400CW 9547

March 13, 1998
Same Location:
0805-Westcoast Express/CP commuter rail westbound to Vancouver from
Mission
0805-Deadhed to shop from Sapperton off southwest line(Westminster Sub)
earlier runthrough from East:
GE AC4400CW's -Three-units numbers unknown.
0820-Freight arriving from East-Terminated: SD40-2,s 5508-5914-6405
All units Candy Apple Red with dual-flag logo.
Remarks: Unit 6405 relettered from SOO Line
0820-Grain-unit train from East-runthrough to Sapperton on southwest
line(Westminster Sub):
Units-GE AC4400CW's 9671-9661-9656
Westend yard engines Two GP-9's numbers unknown.
1000-Deadhead-main line power off southwest line from Sapperton earlier
runthrough on grain train from East:
GE AC4400's 9671-9661-9656 to shop for tie-up.
1000-Power for wesbound transfer GE AC4400CW's 9612-9571

March 17, 1998
Same Location:1055
Intermodal train from East including double-stacks to southwest
line(Westminster Sub) enroute to CPR's Mayfair Intermodal Terminal:
Power-SD40-2F 9015-SD40-2's 5757-60261055-Power for Westbound trnsfer to
downtown Vancouver-GP-35's 5012-5005-GP-38 3001
Remarks-Unit 5005 in Canday Apple Red scheme with dual-flag logo

March 18, 1998
Car shop-SW1200RS 8106 shop switcher.

To Be Continued At a Later Date.

Please note: New e-mail address: donald _scott@...

Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.
Canadian Pacific-Spanning The World Since The 1880's.


Visit at CP St-Luc yard & CN Taschereau yard in Montreal, Qc.

Luc Lanthier
 

From a visit to CP St-Luc yard in Montreal today(Monday), here's what I
saw...

CP 9550
SOO 6009,6617
CP6048
CP5903, 5905, 5905, 5931, 5933, 5991
CP5729, 5787
CP5611,5667, 5689
CP5550, 5553,5519............++

#535 Departure with CP 5567, 5661 & 5643

#500-10 arrived at St-Luc yard this afternoon with only #8534 and 85+ cars

From a visit to CN Taschereau yard in Montreal today(Monday), here's what I
saw...

In the yard,
CN 4727, 4810
CN 5785, 5798
CN 5245, 5263, 5403, 5528, 9424, +++.........

PLUS UNSUAL LOCOMOTIVES....
NBEC #6901
FURX #3028 (ex: ???)
KCS #6603
National Railway Equipment # 869 and 892
MBTA #1124
LLPX #2231 ???

in the storage tracks:
CN 3536, 3580
CN 7301, 7302, 7312, 7314, 7317, 7202, 400, 14
CN 7731, 8702, 8703, 8704, 8705, 8708, 8709

That's it for now

Luc Lanthier
Gatineau, Qc.


Re: E&N Units

Joe Smuin
 

Mark:

I don't know who you could ask that could supply a definitive answer.
However, I think that it is a pretty save bet that such cars would have
made appearances from time to time, though hard to say now for what
purposes. Because that is main line territory, it is pretty certain
that almost every type of freight service rolling stock owned by the CPR
would have made at least an occasional appearance. I would be very
surprised if anybody could logically argue, much less prove, that those
cars DIDN'T make runs between those points during that period.

Run 'em on your layout and don't sweat about historical accuracy!

regards,

Joe Smuin

Mark Beltrano wrote:


From: "Mark Beltrano" <mbeltrano@...>

Hello,

I have been conducting some research on the CPR through the Rockies.
I have
been gathering information on the line durring the last days of steam
around
1950-1953. I am wondering if anyone can tell me if the railway ran
any of
it's Big Otis gons durring this time between Field and Golden B.C.?
Any
information on this subject would be of great help to me.

Regards,

Mark Beltrano

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Re: E&N Units

Mark Beltrano
 

Hello,

I have been conducting some research on the CPR through the Rockies. I have
been gathering information on the line durring the last days of steam around
1950-1953. I am wondering if anyone can tell me if the railway ran any of
it's Big Otis gons durring this time between Field and Golden B.C.? Any
information on this subject would be of great help to me.

Regards,

Mark Beltrano


Re: CPR Station locations?

Joe Smuin
 

Christian:

Chase is 94.8 miles to the west of Revelstoke. It is a former pusher
turnaround point for pusher engines based at Notch Hill. (Notch Hill is
the summit of a hill between Chase and Salmon Arm, B. C.) It is
semi-desert country, in general - God's country.

regards,

Joe Smuin

Christian Base wrote:


From: Christian Base <cbase@...>

Simple question...

Is Chase BC east or west of Revelstoke on the CPR line?

CB

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CP Chase location

Jim Johnston
 

Hi Christian:

Chase BC is 95 miles west of Revelstoke on CP's Shuswap Sub. (Timetable shows Chase as mile 94.8)

It is a spot where CP often sets off loco's that aren't needed from there to the coast. From Chase westward the CP largely follows the Thompson and Fraser Rivers hence the grades, while not non-existent, are nowhere near as severe as they are in the big mountains to the east. Another favourite set-off point for unneeded locomotives is "Ducks" at mile 111.3.

After a number of locomotives accumulate, an eastbound will stop and pick em' up; thus its not unusual to see eastbounds abundantly powered east of Chase. This power either gets set-off at Golden or is handled right through to Calgary to be ready to power more westbounds over the mountains.

Jim Johnston
Salmon Arm BC


Agincourt West 03/13/00

 

Message text written by INTERNET:C-P-R@...
1744 CP 6043 (SD60) not SOO anymore
CP 1103 (C424)
CP 5534 (SD40)
CP 5669 (SD40-2) 60 cars arrival eastbound mixed
freight
<

This is a CP SD40-2, not an SD60.

Gordon Webster
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
gordon67@...


Agincourt West 03/13/00

 

Off work early, head to the tracks...

1650 STLH 5593 (SD40-2)
CP 5417 (SD40-2) in KCS White
40 cars departure westbound mixed freight

1710 CP 5603 (SD40-2)
CP 5668 (SD40-2)
CP 7310 (GP38-2) 40 cars departure westbound mixed freight

note: both previous trains had one flat with 5 farm tractors on board!

1725 MOW pickup 12037 reverses eastbound

1735 MOW pickup 12037 returns westbound (darn block permits)

1744 CP 6043 (SD60) not SOO anymore
CP 1103 (C424)
CP 5534 (SD40)
CP 5669 (SD40-2) 60 cars arrival eastbound mixed freight

1812 CP 5942 (SD40-2)
CP 5999 (SD40-2) 42 cars departure westbound mixed freight

1849 SOO 6032 (SD60)
SOO 6035 (SD60) 51 cars departure westbound mixed freight

1910 CP 8523 (AC4400CW) 35 cars arrival eastbound autoparts/intermodal

1923 CP 5692 (SD40-2)
CP 5767 (SD40-2)
CP 6015 (SD40-2) 47 cars arrival eastbound mixed freight
-holds for 2 mins at my location, then guns it into yard.

Good variety...


CP 9159 Pictures

Jeff Pluemer
 

I'm look for Pictures of the CP 9159,I will trade for the Photo or
even Pay for the Photo if necessary. If you have a Good Photo of it!
Please E-mail me at IMRL391@...


Canadian railway news monthly

Tim Green
 

Bryce Lee's "Canada Calling" online column ended with the issue published
early March 2000 on TrainsCan and other sites.

It will not be easy following Bryce's tracks. However, starting April 1
(most certainly an auspicious date!), TrainsCan will publish a news letter
devoted to news and comment on the Canadian railway community. Plans are
that this become a monthly online production. Watch the News section of
TrainsCan (URL below) for the first issue of "TrainScan Canadian Railway
News"!

If you have news items concerning railways or the railway industry in
Canada, please let me know by email off-list. While it's getting harder to
determine what is or is not a Canadian railway, I've loosely defined the
focus of TrainScan to be anything to do with railways in Canada, with CN
and CP activities in the U.S., and items of interest in U.S. or Mexican
railways or industry that have a major impact on railways in Canada. From
my vantage point in Edmonton, I don't always know about issues or
activities in other parts of the continent, so I seek your assistance.

If you would like to write a short article, or a periodic column, let's
discuss by email. I won't hold anyone down to hard commitments which may
be difficult to keep in the future. But again, I welcome your input and
feedback.

Email to: news@... ( mailto:news@... ) or to the
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