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What a great picture. Anxiously awaiting several more hopefully from a few
feet further back. Thanks to Dan Ellis for the first photo of the unit (and
Brian D. Switzer for posting it). Will now have to run out and buy an HO
GP38-2 and paint it maroon and grey since there is a prototype.


I don't think an SD40-2 so painted would have been a good idea as possibly
such a large 6 axle unit would restrict where the train could run. I
realize that passenger cars are long but suspect they could operate on a
sharper curve than an SD40-2.

Richard Dilley
Richard Dilley, Editor
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I believe a number of Soo SD40-2s have been retrofitted with extended
range DB. They can be identified with a more pronounced hump/box
structure just ahead of the grids.

The 5402-5414 I believe also have this feature (identified by a
square box) just ahead of the db grids. Also the 5402-5414 (ex
QNS&Ls) have 4000 imp. gallon tanks. This, along with their extended
range DB is why they were commonly used for motive power tests on the
M&O Sub in the 1980's and 1990s (essentially a heavier unit when
fully fuelled and provided more restistance for adheasion testing
with thier extended range DB).

CP/Soo 6406-6410 have 5000 gallon tanks since they were former ICG
SD40A's.

The ex NS SD40-2s bought from GATX also have extended range DB.

I believe the 9000s have it too, but not sure (they were built well
into the SD50 production period that feature would have been standard
by then).

UP Dash 8s are all off test and going home...testing was cancelled
because of poor condition of these units...10-12 years of hard service
on the UP.

3084...the straight 40's are slowly dieing. And as Doug Cummings
pointed out, why blow 3000 hp when 2000 will do? (Some things in
corporate culture never die). Not to mention, a 4-axle unit is much
more versatile than a big 6-axle one when one considers the service
for which it is intended.

As for liveries...the 5" stripes and large multi-mark was always neat
(but going to 8" stripes only on the nose and the small MM really
lessened the impact), that said the M&G and script is the classiest.

5767 (scud) and 5911 (leader) still have the large multi-mark. 5863
is the third, but it might have been re-painted.

Ross Harrison

"Phil Mason" <pmason@...> wrote (in part)

The "old guard" at CPR were more concerned with thrift
than effective train handling and fuel conservation.

I'm not disagreeing with the statement as I have also seen this kind of
thinking, but it does seem ironic that someone (or a group of people) can
claim to be interested in thrift, yet totally miss the fact that, with the
conservation of fuel, the application of extended range dynamic braking on
the SD-40's and SD-40-2's would have been cost effective in the long run. I
guess an example of "limited thinking".

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot

A while back we got into the copyright debate which I felt I had to cut off
as being off-topic. I got a little off-list flack for that, but I still
believe it was the proper action since it has little to do with the C-P-R.
However, those interested in the subject are encouraged to join this group
which I have discovered.



(Please do not reply to this not "on the C-P-R list")

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I have been unable to get into Brian's page to see this beastie. Anyone
else having this problem?

pb

At 12:55 AM 3/27/00 -0500, you wrote:

From: "Brian D. Switzer" <herkamur@...>

For those that are interested, there is now a photo of CP 3084 in its new
paint on my website. The link is located in my little "what's new" blurb
next to the list of new photos. Thanks to Dan Ellis, the photographer,
for sending me the photo.

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Road foreman bulletin at work says the test program for the UP C40-8's
is over. Anyone hear what the verdict is? I would imagine not good as
9144 seemed to be a shop queen. I don't have any idea how the others
faired.

Todd Jones
Canuck Pacific Railway
St. Paul, MN / La Crosse WI
Milwaukee Road Online:

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't these units get delivered in the

action

red paint scheme? Why not pick a unit on the roster that actually wore

the

tuscan and grey paint scheme such as the original order of SD-40 (not dash
2).

Of course the 3084 looks fabulous in the paint scheme god intended for the
CPR.

Every with these wishes forgets why they painted the 3084 this way in the
first place. When you think about it, a GP38 is the most logical choice,
even if they never wore grey and maroon before. This is to be a backup unit
for the F's. SD40's work the mainline, when they needed the backup unit, it
could be in Montreal. With the 3084 they can keep it around Calgary working
locals and branches so it is available on short notice.

A friend of mine did up an Athearn AC4400CW in CP script. Looked really good.

Doug

"Chris Davidson" <Trainman79@...> 03/27 05:51 >>>

From: "Chris Davidson" <Trainman79@...>

Yes it is a great paint scheme. I've always been a fan of the multi-mark,
but the maroon and grey sure looks sharp. I'm wondering if maybe this is a
change of things to come. I wonder what an AC44 or SD90MAC would look like
in these colours.

Like Bob Eley, I have been running CPR SD40's and
SD40-2's since the late 1970's, and none of them have
extended range DB.

The CPR Dash 2's do have the same DB blister as extended
range, however the louvers for cooling the grids to not extend
as far forward on the blister as on extended range DB units.
This was a factory option, and a visual way of identifying
non extended range DB equipped SD40-2's.

The "old guard" at CPR were more concerned with thrift than
effective train handling and fuel conservation.



Phil Mason,

Revelstoke BC.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 morgants@... wrote:

I have lost the site that shows a photo of an expressway painted locomotive
can someone forward the URL, thanks, Tom.

I have photos of both Expressway locomotives on my site. The URL is:



Brian.

--- In C-P-R@..., "john kochan" <specialk9@h...> wrote:

dis-regard the fake addresses at the bottom of my postings..they're
just things i make up......
first-up@all day.ca

The following are trains expected to be called @ London
544 2130
502 2131
TCS 31731 2200
508 2230
922 2304
924 0001
407 0130

just making things up, as does the line up....LOL

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From: Bob Eley <genlee@...>
If I can't take my Mac with me when I die,
Then I'm not going

Would that be your Mac computer, or your MAC engine?!?!... Or both!!!

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Joe Smuin wrote:

From: Joe Smuin <kvrailway@...>

Wow! I propose a motion that we petition the CPR to go back to that
paint scheme. :>) What a great photo!

> >

Joe Smuin

Here! Here! Canadian Pacific is to be commended, not only for bringing
back 2816, but for bringing back the most beautiful livery ever applied
to a diesel locomotive. Long live maroon and gray on Canadian Pacific

You may get a fight from the warbonnet fans on that one. You might want to
say "one of the most"

From: Chris McKinnon
Last night I saw a CP coal train with only 2 ACs' headed for Roberts Bank
in
Langley. The train had one midtrain and one robot with aluminum Procor
hoppers. This is the first time I've seen a coal train with only two units.
Is this a result of the directional running down from Kamloops?
Chris


Yes, this is the result of directional running.

John Leeming
Kamloops

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't these units get delivered in the action
red paint scheme? Why not pick a unit on the roster that actually wore the
tuscan and grey paint scheme such as the original order of SD-40 (not dash
2).

Of course the 3084 looks fabulous in the paint scheme god intended for the
CPR.

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot

At Smiths Falls, Ont this morning march 27, 2000 between 04:12am to
07:19am

#923-27 04:12am Arrival (CP 5637, 5652 ) (Westbound - Belleville Sub.)
#472-23 05:28am Departure (CP 6054, 5847,5749) (Eastbound to Montreal)
#432-26 05:47am Departure (CP 6062, 5811) (Eastbound to Montreal)
#739-27 05:50am Arrival (CP 5544, soo6046) (Westbound - Belleville
Sub.)
#489-26 06:00am Departure (CP 6078,5815,5764,786)(Westbound - Chalk
River Sub.)
#906-27 06:29am Departure (CP 5663, 5617, 5518) (Eastbound to Montreal)
#500-24 07:19am Departure (CP 9536) (Eastbound to Montreal)

To come soon are
#503-27 CP 5612 and SOO 6035 (Westbound - Belleville Sub.)
#738-27 CP 5580 and 5569 (Eastbound to Montreal)

These were applied to passenger power and aimed roughly at a 30 to 40 degree
angle skyward. I can remember sitting in the dome car at night (travelling
from Sudbury to Montreal) and watching as they did a kind of figure 8 in the
sky. Why were they there, can't answer that with fact, however from a
youngster's (yes I was young once) perspective, they were there to light up
the scenery during the night.

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot

I have been running SD40's for CP since the late 70's and I have never
found one of them with extended range dynamic brake. Our peak dynamic
brake is about 19 mph and below 13 mph, it drops off drastically and has
to be augmented by using the independent brake.
This is quite different to the AC power we now use where the db
efficiency continues right down to basically 0 mph. You can stop a train
using db now.

From: Mike Pulaski <MPulaski@...>

If I'm not mistaken, all of CP's orginal 40-2's have extend range brakes
and the largest fuel tanks...
Extended range dynamics was standard on the dash two line for that
option...(I think)

Bob Eley ?
ICQ # 7813066
Revelstoke (Pleasantville), B.C.

If I can't take my Mac with me when I die,
Then I'm not going

Paul,

The Contest sounds very interesting. Could you explain the judging a little
more?
I don't understand if the photos can be from locations system wide or just
Div 295, and how they pertain to the months?
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Well, they should be relevant to the division.
This is because it will be a division calendar.

And instead of a pic of a recognisable piece of equipment, they should be a
recognisable location within the division. An engineer or conductor will be
able to look at it and say ...oh yeah that's where I work. Good pic.

The judging? heh.. once we start to publish the entries, the judging may take
on a more widespread opinion than just a bunch of guys at a union meeting, I
don't know, lets just let it roll, and see if we can make the best calendar,
for the best division on the Canadian Pacific Rail Eh?

I should mention that the finished calendar will be a vinyl matt finish as
kinkos or the copy centre does them.

Paul

dis-regard the fake addresses at the bottom of my postings..they're
just things i make up......
first-up@all day.ca