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Re: 9300 pics plus a couple of extras.

Chris Davidson
 

Nice shots Wayne. Your lucky to have gotten a shot of the new MAC's in daylight. They passed my location at night.

Chris Davidson


From: "W. Regaudie" <tec_64@...>
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Subject: [C-P-R] 9300 pics plus a couple of extras.
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:36:18 -0500

Hi folks!,

Here's the pic of 9300 & 9301. Almost ran out of light. There are a couple
of other shots tossed in from earlier in the day.

I have an HCRY to post later.

Wayne
Mile 77
Sudbury








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Re: CP extended range dynamic and fuel tanks

Chris Davidson
 

I think that the extended range dynamics weren't standard at first. But you are correct all of CP's SD40-2's came with extended range dynamics. Manny Jacob would be the one to ask about the SD40-2's.

Chris Davidson

From: Mike Pulaski <MPulaski@...>
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Subject: [C-P-R] CP extended range dynamic and fuel tanks
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:22:57 -0500

If I'm not mistaken, all of CP's orginal 40-2's have extend range brakes
and the largest fuel tanks...
Extended range dynamics was standard on the dash two line for that
option...(I think)
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Re: HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots

Mike Pulaski
 

I know about Details Associate one, From what I remember, it was no where
as nice as Cannon's stuff...
Even though my cost on the nose kit was around $3.00...It would list for
$6.00. Problem is Marketing cost, Investment recouping, packaging, My time
for the business end of things..... etc....
Distributors want the product for at least 55% off the list...So you see,
It wouldn't make sense to make one
at only selling 200 or so kits....If I knew I could sell all 500 kits
within a few months, I would do it.
How many people would really pay for a reservation....It would take a lot
of modelers.....Mike
Re: HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots

Randy Hano
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pulaski <MPulaski@...>
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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots


From: Mike Pulaski <MPulaski@...>

The reason a manufacture doesn't build a specific unit is cost...How many
CP style units are you and everyone
else willing to buy.....They would only sell maybe 500 or less.It's hard
for a company to recover it's tooloing cost for
such a low number...Also how many times could you run the mold ...A
generic
mold can recoup their investment by
having a longer production life.....I thought of running a "Cannon" style
nose for the CP.. I had to purchase 500 units,
and the cost was around $1,750 US for the tooling alone...The noses would
cost me around $3.00 us apiece...
Alot of money for something I wanted, maybe a dozen ....I probably could
sell another 100-200...What to do with the rest????
It is my own thoughts but I think you might be surprised at how many you
might sell. Currently only DA makes the proper snoot for the 102" CP length
(at $6.95 US a piece).

Randy
Re: HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots

 

Yes the cost of producing a correct model of a CP Rail SD40-2 is
prohibitive. However, if one looks at the other SD40-2 snoots that Kato
is producing, the BCR, BNSF and ATSF units should have low headlights as
well (although the position on ATSF units varies). I thought that it was
ironic that Kato used a BNSF unit with a low headlight in its advertising
when the model is of a UP-style low headlight locomotive. So those who
model the CPR are not the only ones who have to deal with a less than
prototypical model.

We should, however, be hopeful now that several manufacturers are adopting
the modular approach to locomotive shell manufacture. Proto 2000 has used
this approach to model road-specific details on its US roadname
locomotives. The new Athearn SD40-2 may give CP Rail modelers some more
flexibility although at the present time the only CPR paint scheme
scheduled for production is the new "golden beaver".

I remember seeing a CP Rail SD40-2 nose kit one time in a hobby shop. Is
this kit still around?

Tyler
Re: HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots

Mike Pulaski
 

The reason a manufacture doesn't build a specific unit is cost...How many
CP style units are you and everyone
else willing to buy.....They would only sell maybe 500 or less.It's hard
for a company to recover it's tooloing cost for
such a low number...Also how many times could you run the mold ...A generic
mold can recoup their investment by
having a longer production life.....I thought of running a "Cannon" style
nose for the CP.. I had to purchase 500 units,
and the cost was around $1,750 US for the tooling alone...The noses would
cost me around $3.00 us apiece...
Alot of money for something I wanted, maybe a dozen ....I probably could
sell another 100-200...What to do with the rest????
Mike
Re: HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots

Chris Davidson
 

Heck, if someone was making a CP SD40-2, that was correct, I'd buy at least 20 of them. There are lots of folks that I know that would buy some as well.

Chris Davidson


From: "Randy Hano" <rlhano@...>
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Subject: Re: [C-P-R] HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:55:04 -0800


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Pulaski <MPulaski@...>
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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots


From: Mike Pulaski <MPulaski@...>

The reason a manufacture doesn't build a specific unit is cost...How
many
CP style units are you and everyone
else willing to buy.....They would only sell maybe 500 or less.It's hard
for a company to recover it's tooloing cost for
such a low number...Also how many times could you run the mold ...A
generic
mold can recoup their investment by
having a longer production life.....I thought of running a "Cannon"
style
nose for the CP.. I had to purchase 500 units,
and the cost was around $1,750 US for the tooling alone...The noses
would
cost me around $3.00 us apiece...
Alot of money for something I wanted, maybe a dozen ....I probably could
sell another 100-200...What to do with the rest????
It is my own thoughts but I think you might be surprised at how many you
might sell. Currently only DA makes the proper snoot for the 102" CP length
(at $6.95 US a piece).

Randy
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CP extended range dynamic and fuel tanks

Grant Garber
 

Hello Listers,

Does CP rail have any SD40-2's with the extended range fuel tanks/dyanmic brakes. If there are any, What unit #'s were equipeded with these "Extra's".

TIA

Grant Garber
Mile 12
Webbwood Subdivision
CP Rail's "Sault Branch"
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Re: 2-10-4 plows

Jeff Pinchbeck
 


From: "Mark Beltrano" <mbeltrano@...>

Hello,

I am writing this message in regards to the plows found on many of the
2-10-4 T1-c locomtives that ran in the Rockies. I have many
photographs of
these engines in books that show them with the plows in place and others
that show them with no plows. Were these plows put on only durring winter
months? Can anyone tell me if the VanHobbies Model includes this plow?
According to the article "Add snowplows to your locos" in the Nov. 64 MR the
author states that CP put snow plows on passenger locomotives in late
October or early November and removed in April or May depending on the
winter.

The Van Hobbies T1c doesn't come with a plow however there are CP snow plow
parts around.

Minitures by Eric has a very nice snow plow for the VH R3c 2-10-0 available.
The plow will also work on the VH P1e 2-8-2 without any modifications. It
probably would work on a few other models too.

I saw at the Copetown show Athabasca Scale Models also has a plow kit coming
soon. The sample I saw was in the process of assembly so I don't know what
it would look like fully assembled.

Or you can use the MR article as a starting point to make your own plow.

But given those choices I'd use the Athabasca kit as a start.


Jeff Pinchbeck

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Re: 2-10-4 plows

Joe Smuin
 

Hello all:

From what I understand from the old-timers, what was done with
locomotive snowplows depended somewhat upon location and period.
The information supplied by Ray Matthews can be confirmed in at least
two volumes of the series CANADIAN PACIFIC IN THE ROCKIES by D.M. Bain.
See Volume Three, page 16, and Volume 10 pages 7-8. All show photos
illustrating the point and state the same information as did Mr.
Matthews: in later years on the T1 engines, snowplows stayed on year
round.

Joe Smuin

Jeff Pinchbeck wrote:


From: "Jeff Pinchbeck" <jpinchbeck@...>


From: "Mark Beltrano" <mbeltrano@...>

Hello,

I am writing this message in regards to the plows found on many of
the
2-10-4 T1-c locomtives that ran in the Rockies. I have many
photographs of
these engines in books that show them with the plows in place and
others
that show them with no plows. Were these plows put on only durring
winter
months? Can anyone tell me if the VanHobbies Model includes this
plow?
According to the article "Add snowplows to your locos" in the Nov. 64
MR the
author states that CP put snow plows on passenger locomotives in late
October or early November and removed in April or May depending on the
winter.

The Van Hobbies T1c doesn't come with a plow however there are CP snow
plow
parts around.

Minitures by Eric has a very nice snow plow for the VH R3c 2-10-0
available.
The plow will also work on the VH P1e 2-8-2 without any modifications.
It
probably would work on a few other models too.

I saw at the Copetown show Athabasca Scale Models also has a plow kit
coming
soon. The sample I saw was in the process of assembly so I don't know
what
it would look like fully assembled.

Or you can use the MR article as a starting point to make your own
plow.

But given those choices I'd use the Athabasca kit as a start.

Jeff Pinchbeck

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519-622-3619
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Re: 9300/9301, 408 south @Romford.

W. Regaudie
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Shantz <alpacobr@...>
To: <C-P-R@...>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] 9300/9301, 408 south @Romford.


Do you know if this train terminates in Toronto and is there a possibility
the units would return west on Sunday? Is 408 an intermodal train? Any
other
information about this pair of units would be appreciated.
Thanks for your time,



Dest still sez Winnipeg and the pwr usually gets flipped back west at
Mactier or Toronto. Key word here is "usually".

CP 009300 MACTIER ON 03/24 20:35 E L 040821 WINNIPEG MB
Arrival In Transit
CP 009301 MACTIER ON 03/24 20:35 E L 040821 WINNIPEG MB
Arrival In Transit

Wayne
Mile 77
Sudbury
Re: 9300/9301, 408 south @Romford.

Paul Shantz
 

Do you know if this train terminates in Toronto and is there a possibility
the units would return west on Sunday? Is 408 an intermodal train? Any other
information about this pair of units would be appreciated.
Thanks for your time,




At 07:23 PM 3/24/00 -0500, you wrote:
From: "W. Regaudie" <tec_64@...>

9300+9301, hauling butt southbound with train 408 at mile 113.85 Parry Sound
Sub. Pic getting developed. If it's good, I'll post the URL by Monday.


Wayne
Mile 77
Sudbury


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Re: Tenders, Feed Water Heaters, & Chinese trains.

Joe Smuin
 

Hello gang.

True enough, James. But ... to get back to the nub of the discussion,
the G3 Pacifics did not have such heaters at the time of their
construction, starting in 1919. If memory serves me correctly, the
engine that Doug Rhodes referred to in his initial bulletins was
identified as a G3. If so, then the photograph must have been taken at
a date well after 1919 because Lavallee's book makes it plain that the
G3 engines did not get feed water heaters until rebuilt some time after
construction. Old timers can correct me here, but if I'm not mistaken,
general rebuilds of steam engines did not occur until around ten years
or so after they went into service, which would put the application of
the Elesco Feedwater Heaters into pretty much the time frame that Mr.
Matthews states.

I think the main thing here is that for once, what originally seemed to
be a very improbable story, appears to have basis in fact. However, it
is common for authors to stick a convenient photograph as illustration
for the story, even though the engine shown may have never been within
500 miles of the story site. In most such cases, to the author, it's a
steam engine, one steam engine is as good as the next steam engine and
what's the difference anyway? The answer to that is that when questions
arise in the future, erroneous illustrations cause historians no end of
hair pulling. Generates a fair amount of traffic on Onelist sites, too!

Joe Smuin

"James E.Mack" wrote:


From: "James E.Mack" <lvrr@...>

I have a 1924 book on ELESCO feed water heaters and CP and CN are
listed as having
them.

Ray and Myrna Matthews wrote:

From: Ray and Myrna Matthews <rayme@...>

Hello All!
Sorry this pertains to items back on Mar. 19th, but I just
got around
to reading my back "onelists". First, Doug Rhodes says as the first
of
the CP G3 class heavy Pacifics were built in 1919, the photo of the
"Chinese" train could have been taken in that year. The only thing
is
both the early G3 and G4 classes were not built with feed water
heaters. They were applied almost ten years later.
Sorry Doug, but it sounds more and more like the now infamous photo
is
not what it was supposed to be.
Now, a little "nit-picking" with Donald Scott who has stated
that the
CPR "pioneered" the application of Elesco "Bundle" style Feed Water
Heaters around 1927/28. I assume this means applications in
Canada. If
that is what you meant Donald, then you are away off base. I cannot
say
when they were first applied in the USA, but on the CNR the first
Elesco
FWH was installed on Mikado # 3498 in June 1920. Apparently this
was
tested for a year or so as none were installed in 1921, but by 1922
CNR
began to apply them in earnest. Also, the tenders with the curved
in
edges on the G5 class 1200s did not begin with the 1231, as stated.
The
1231 was the last of the G5b class and had a straight edged tender.
The
1232, the first of the G5c class was the first 1200 with a
curved-top
tender. Don't be fooled by photos because in the mid-1950s, after
they
began scrapping some of the 1200s, some of those with straight
tenders
received curved ones, and vice versa. Not many, but a few. With
regard
to the 3100 series 4-8-4s, the "elephant ears" smoke deflectors came
off
a while before they were transferred out west. I have photos of
them on
passenger trains in eastern Quebec and the maritimes, and the
deflectors
were gone then. Of interest, they were not immediately converted to
burn oil but continued to operate out of several prairie terminals
as
coal burners. At various times they were were assigned to such
places
as Winnipeg, Moose Jaw, and Medicine Hat before being converted late
in
1956. At this time they received the tenders from scrapped T1a
class
2-10-4s Nos. 5906 and 5916. I think the conversions were done at
Ogden
Shops in Calgary as I saw the former coal tenders there in 1957.
Yes,
they were very rarely seen west of Medicine Hat, but I saw them
both, as
coal and oil burners at Calgary.
Sorry for being so picky Donald, but there is one more
item. In one of
your very interesting lists of locomotives you saw during your trips
across the country you stated that one of the engines you saw at
port
Coquitlam (I think it was in 1953), you listed D10 No. 611. Sorry,
that
engine was scrapped in May of 1949 at Winnipeg. I suggest the one
you
saw was 911 which had come off Vancouver Island a few years
previous,
and was often around Vancouver during the early 1950s.
Again, Doug and Donald, sorry to be pecking away at what
appear to be
minor technicalities, but we have to keep the records straight.
Ray Matthews

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9300/9301, 408 south @Romford.

W. Regaudie
 

9300+9301, hauling butt southbound with train 408 at mile 113.85 Parry Sound
Sub. Pic getting developed. If it's good, I'll post the URL by Monday.


Wayne
Mile 77
Sudbury
Re: HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots

Trevor Sokolan
 

The lettering is too thin. Remove with rubbing alcohol and replace with lettering from the microscale set. Also the nose is to long etc.......

-Trevor Sokolan
From: Gary Klouda <Gary.Sheryl.Klouda@...>
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Subject: [C-P-R] HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:53:59 -0600

Hi,

Just got my HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2's....is it just me, or should the
typeface of the "CP Rail" on the sides of the units be different, more
bold, or something? Thanks, - Gary
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Re: Overhaul 4-axle units

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Besides the 3 units already mentioned(4657, 3024, 3111) as being at Ogden,
is it yet known what other numbers will follow in the program to overhaul
'several' of the 4-axle units?
Particularly, are any of the D&H 7300s slated? (Some D&H-ers are already in
mourning in anticipation of losing more lightning stripe units!)


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Thomas Sajnovic wrote:

From: "Thomas Sajnovic" <mile262@...>

CN's 2500's are not AC powered.

T.Sajnovic
These CN GE Dash 9-44CWL locomotives are almost identical (for weights,
sizes, 6 axels, etc..)as the CP locomotives(9500-9683, 8500-8580). So,
my point is that for these above reasons, not AC powered (my
mistake),that CP probably do not want them on QGRY line plus the fact
that the QGRY crews are not train for these type of locomotives.

Sorry for the confusion and I am sure that probably other people from
the list will learn from my little mistake.

Thanks for the correction.
CPR VIC SUB ONLINE

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Just to let you all know, my model railway web site is now online at :



Cheers...
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Victoria Subdivision
Re: HO Kato CP Rail SD40-2 snoots

Chris Davidson
 

Also the nose is to long etc.......
And the headlights are in the wrong place. Why can't anyone made a simple CPR model with the correct head light position, at a reasonable price. I own a fair amount of Overland SD40/-2's but that nearly kills one too find one, and the price is extreme.

Chris Davidson
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Photo of 9152?

Christian Base
 

Hi all,

I was just wondering if anyone has a photo of CP 9152 that they could
email me.

TIA,
Christian.
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