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I'd rather pay more then to put up with more ad's ! Max KG4PID
On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 08:18:32 PM CDT, Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
Like an Amazon "Fire Tablet" with special offers - imagine if you could get a slightly cheaper Radio if you tolerated advertising on the bandscope/display between band changes and at power-up! LOL Ken, N2VIP > On Oct 20, 2021, at 20:21, Tom, wb6b <wb6b@...> wrote: > > Every 15 minutes of having QSOs the chip will abruptly tune your rig to a radio advertising frequency and make you listen to ads. > > Could be a new privatized ad supported amateur radio service. |
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"Every 15 minutes of having QSOs the chip will abruptly tune your rig to a radio advertising frequency and make you listen to ads." I know you were joking, but HE11 NO !
On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 07:21:18 PM CDT, Tom, wb6b <wb6b@...> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 03:40 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote: Well, the architecture of that chip only generates up to 3 simultaneous RF frequencies and nothing else.Maybe one of the big internet companies will see a way to make a profit and produce?Si5351a like chips in volume at unbeatable low prices.? Every 15 minutes of having QSOs the chip will abruptly tune your rig to a radio advertising frequency and make you listen to ads.? Could be a new privatized ad supported amateur radio service. Tom, wb6b |
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Y'know... ...it COULD happen. All it takes is one more bonehead ruling by the FCC... -- Rich WB2GXM ------ Original message------ From: Max via Date: Thu, Oct 21, 2021 12:12 AM To: [email protected]; Cc: Subject:Re: [BITX20] Trouble ahead "Every 15 minutes of having QSOs the chip will abruptly tune your rig to a radio advertising frequency and make you listen to ads." I know you were joking, but HE11 NO !
On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 07:21:18 PM CDT, Tom, wb6b > wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 03:40 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote: Well, the architecture of that chip only generates up to 3 simultaneous RF frequencies and nothing else.Maybe one of the big internet companies will see a way to make a profit and produce?Si5351a like chips in volume at unbeatable low prices.? Every 15 minutes of having QSOs the chip will abruptly tune your rig to a radio advertising frequency and make you listen to ads.? Could be a new privatized ad supported amateur radio service. Tom, wb6b |
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You are not thinking devious enough:? IF you insert a smart chip in the I2C line inside of the chip it MIGHT be possible to use that link to take control of the rig's MPC and then use that device to link into the computer through the CAT channel.?
Not likely but it could be possible.? Similar things have been done in industrial control systems to break things. Enough of the speculation on my part.? I will now mute the topic. 73 Evan AC9TU |
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 07:05 AM, Evan Hand wrote:
You are not thinking devious enough:? IF you insert a smart chip in the I2C line inside of the chip it MIGHT be possible to use that link to take control of the rig's MPC and then use that device to link into the computer through the CAT channel.?I seem to remember something about a hacker (while actually traveling on the plane!) decided it would be cool to connect his laptop the the in-flight entertainment system data bus and discovered he could hack his way into the flight deck control systems. Great. Glad he (and everyone else) lived to tell about it. If the story is true, hope that prompted an in-flight firewall to be added to avionics systems.? Tom, wb6b |
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 08:12 AM, Tom, wb6b wrote: I seem to remember something about a hacker (while actually traveling on the plane!) decided it would be cool to connect his laptop the the in-flight entertainment system data bus and discovered he could hack his way into the flight deck control systems. |
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On my 2018 trip to Dayton, the flight entertainment system rebooted. I could see it was booting up in linux. I pressed on random buttons and it landed me in the admin login, there seemed to be no password. I wandered around a bit on the disk system, it was remote mounted and then I went back to my "Radio Porn" (flipping old QSTs on the laptop). - f On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 3:16 AM Jerry Gaffke via <jgaffke=[email protected]> wrote: Tom has a good memory! |
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 02:46 PM, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
https://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-banned-researcher-commandeered-plane/Wow that was scary to read. They need to put a child protector cap, like they have for electrical wall plugs here in the US, on those ports under the passenger seats to keep adult children from sticking things into them.? Tom, wb6b |
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That sounds fun and educational, just be aware that the security guys here in the US can be real idiots.? I was detained for hours back in the 80's coming back from Japan with some work related electronics gear (computer graphics).? They had no clue, and were wondering what sort of atomic secrets (or whatever) I might have taken out of the country with me.? I think they just enjoyed breaking up the monotony by giving somebody a hard time.? The relatively sleepy Portland Oregon airport was far worse for this sort of thing than San Francisco.
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Here's a more recent example:?? We also have some idiot governors:?? Let's be careful out there! Jerry, KE7ER On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 06:09 PM, Ashhar Farhan wrote:
On my 2018 trip to Dayton, the flight entertainment system rebooted. I could see it was booting up in linux. I pressed on random buttons and it landed me in the admin login, there seemed to be no password. I wandered around a bit on the disk system, it was remote mounted and then I went back to my "Radio Porn" (flipping old QSTs on the laptop). |
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 07:17 AM, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
I was detained for hours back in the 80's coming back from Japan with some work related electronics gear (computer graphics).?When I worked for SGI one of the field reps posted the story, on the internal employee BB, of his recent trip to a customer location in a foreign country. He said when he arrived the first thing was a trip down an airport hallway with a guard at the far end, stationed behind a clear shield with a cutout and a machine gun protruding from it. Next was customs. He brought a hard drive loaded with software for the customer to do whatever system upgrades he was there to do. That flagged customs to pull him to a private room for interrogation. The customs office interrogated him with vigor and at length. Finally our rep convinced the customs official that it was OK to bring the drive into the country. At which point, the customs officer slammed the hard drive down as hard as he could onto the table and let our rep have the drive back. Field service can be fun. Tom, wb6b |
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That's why you should bring your software on an SSD! I know, not an option back in the days of SGI. These days you'd just put the software on a web site somewhere and download it after crossing the border, avoiding all potential customs issues. On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:14 PM Tom, wb6b <wb6b@...> wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 07:17 AM, Jerry Gaffke wrote: |
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 07:17 AM, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
We also have some idiot governors:??I think we have entered an era where mass numbers of people in power (business leaders, government, politics) have such a sense of privilege where they can postulate anything and should not be questioned. Maybe "The Emperor's New Clothes" should be read more widely. Tom, wb6b |
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I was the young boy in that story - the one pointing at the nekkid emperor :) 73, Bill? KU8H bark less - wag more On 10/22/21 2:13 PM, Tom, wb6b wrote:
----snip-------- Maybe "The Emperor's New Clothes" should be read more widely. |
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I was the technical witness in one of the most high profile terror cases on India. I was given the examine evidence, a floppy disk. Sadly, the diligent officers had stapled the floppy to the court papers along with other evidence! On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:21 AM Niels Jalling <niels@...> wrote: Fairy tale written in 1837 by the great danish fairy tale writer Hans Christian Andersen. |
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWhy would an airplane manufacturer tie their flight control system to their in-flight entertainment system?Do you really want flight control packets competing for bandwidth with streaming entertainment system packets? Ken, N2VIP On Oct 21, 2021, at 16:46, Jerry Gaffke via groups.io <jgaffke@...> wrote:
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAnd it worked! The floppy was not lost. I have to assume that in this case they failed to staple the floppy on the outside of the disc inside (near the corners of the floppy)...Ken, N2VIP On Oct 22, 2021, at 19:12, Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote:
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The judge wasnt too keen on the floppy. The accused hanged. It was a sad story overall. I suspect they got the wrong guy, it is best to drop this story for now. On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 7:09 AM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 06:28 PM, Ken Hansen wrote:
Why would an airplane manufacturer tie their flight control system to their in-flight entertainment system?Even the wired story linked previously is kind of nebulous as to whether he actually controlled an engines thrust or just thought a movement of the plane at the moment was due to his commands sent. If it is true I would imagine the commands were sent to a frontend port of a flight control computer, not necessarily the busy buses that carry the raw real time control data between the flight computers and the components like engines. Just speculating, unless another report with more official in-depth information comes along.? Tom, wb6b |
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