|
Tom
Great!? I am not quite ready to include the Tiny Basic part, but
it is getting close.? I'm obviously not going to have the pico-OS
ready for 1 April publication.? Making the former April Fools day
project into a real project has added too much coding to meet my
1 April deadline, so I will have to publish it a bit later.? This has
turned into a fun project.? More later...
Arv _._
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 4:01 PM Tom, wb6b < wb6b@...> wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 06:26 PM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
I remember reading Tim Pittman's Tiny Basic in Dr. Dobbs Journal
I downloaded the Tiny Basic "plus" for the Arduino and discovered it included a makefile so you could compile it and run Tiny Basic on your computer as a command line program. There were no instructions, but I CDed into the "cli" directory and ran make. In just a few seconds it compiled the tiny basic ".ino" file and it now runs tiny basic on my Mac. My memory of Basic is faded. Other than print "hello", everything else I've typed in has been greeted by the response "what?".
Brings back old memories.
Tom, wb6b
?
|
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 08:30 AM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
Gates: "I'll bet you wish now that you had taken it, don't you?"
That is an amazing story. Yes, what a memory he must have. If I'd ever taken a job at Apple (phone interviewed a couple of times, but that is as far as it went), heaven help me if I'd run into Jobs. He may have remembered me from those early days.? I've heard Steve Wozniak is actually a really nice guy. When I lived in the Bay Area, a friend of mine her son went to the same school that I assume his kids went to. But, in any case Woz volunteered as a computer teacher for the kids at the school.? Tom, wb6b
|
I only met Woz once, and that was just a brief introduction by Chris DeVoney, VP at Que. However, he seemed very engaging when we met. I wish I could have had more time with him.
Jack, W8TEE
On Thursday, March 25, 2021, 1:38:00 PM EDT, Tom, wb6b <wb6b@...> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 08:30 AM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
Gates: "I'll bet you wish now that you had taken it, don't you?"
That is an amazing story. Yes, what a memory he must have. If I'd ever taken a job at Apple (phone interviewed a couple of times, but that is as far as it went), heaven help me if I'd run into Jobs. He may have remembered me from those early days.? I've heard Steve Wozniak is actually a really nice guy. When I lived in the Bay Area, a friend of mine her son went to the same school that I assume his kids went to. But, in any case Woz volunteered as a computer teacher for the kids at the school.? Tom, wb6b
-- Jack, W8TEE
|
Exciting times are still with us.? It seems though that as we aged,
somehow we lost the excitement.? Today we can buy components
for a few pennies, and there are a myriad of software languages
to play with.? Must be that we are just not that excitable these days.
Arv _._
Tom:
My first computer was homemade: A Processor Technology Sol-20 with a modified Hitachi TV for a monitor.
I wrote an accounting package on it, and ran in 8K of memory using 90K 5.25" FLOPPY DISKS! That eventually lead to my software company, Ecosoft. I dropped the accounting package and concentrated on a statistics package (Microstat) and C programming tools (Eco-C88 C compiler, editor, assembler, and linker). We even had an IDE for the compiler with the entire tool chain embodied in it.
At the time I was teaching a Butler University and a colleague and I built 11 Sol-20's and opened a computing lab, mainly for stats (plus Lotus 123). The Math Dept. got PO'ed because the computer lab was in the College of Business. The College of Business even let me teach a Z80 assembler course as a "business course"...tons of people from Eli Lily.
Those were exciting times!
Jack, W8TEE
On Wednesday, March 24, 2021, 9:46:26 PM EDT, Tom, wb6b < wb6b@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 06:13 PM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
Try typing in: "Wadayamean What?"
If I included the quotation marks, it replied with "How?". Otherwise: "What?" ----- Cut --------
Starting up TinyBasic Plus...
?
65362 bytes free.
OK
>Wadayamean What?
Wadayamean What?
What??
?
----------------
>"Wadayamean What?"
"Wadayamean What?"
How?
--------------
I need to find a old issue of Dr. Dobbs and start typing some Basic code.? If the Basic was supposed to give some kind of wiseacre response. Maybe this basic is too small to be a wise guy, too. So imagine running those old text based Dungeon and Dragons games on an Arduino Nano. I had an old Star Trek game that used two funny special charters from the display ROM of a Processor Technology 64 x 16 ASCII terminal S-100 card. Like they would keep swapping between a couple of funny round shapes to make the Klingon's mouth move when he was talking and generally making threats of one kind or another. If that was written in basic, now I could, with a little more firmware, relive those glorious days on a 0.91inch OLED display. The new possible use for the board I may not use for my audio filter project. ? Tom, wb6b
--
Jack, W8TEE
|
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:45 AM, Arv Evans wrote:
Must be that we are just not that excitable these days.
It is still amazing. This current computer revolution has been going on for about 40 years.? It is amazing how much is still fundamentally the same. Although in the last five years, it seems there have been actual new things introduced, not just rehashed or rediscovered old things. Although I'm at a loss to enumerate them at the moment.? Tom, wb6b
|
Hi,
This thread has
gone on and on and on for almost ever and so far off topic!
No. This is not a complaint. Those who do not want to see it
can click on the "ignore this thread" button - sometines
labeled "ignore this subject" - and never see it again. You
won't even to overexert your poor, exhausted index finger
wearing out your delete key. Just *gone* forever.
Once upon a
time I started programming too. I had "real" work to do and
those newfangled computers looked like very useful tools. I
could buy (or steal) software to do inventory or accounting
tasks but they always di a job the way somebody else wanted to
do it and not *MY* way. So I started programming. My "real"
work suffered due to time wasted writing programs. Then I
found better software packages that could be configured to do
my work the way I wanted it done and I dumped that programming
stuff. I moved right out of the closet and went to doing
"real" work. I was labeled "power user" - not programmer. Not
that such programming isn't 'real" work. If you like it or
somebody is paying you to it - or even better, both - it
qualifies as "real" work. I am only in it again because I can
use it to help do some "real" work that I am interested in and
the Arduino type tools are much closer to the configurable
software I chose all those weeks ago. The lies that are
getting swapped in this thread are remarkably similar to my
own fables of the past:)
73,
Bill? KU8H
bark less - wag more
On 3/25/21 1:28 PM, Arv Evans wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Tom
Great!?
I am not quite ready to include the Tiny Basic part, but
it
is getting close.? I'm obviously not going to have the pico-OS
ready
for 1 April publication.? Making the former April Fools day
project
into a real project has added too much coding to meet my
1
April deadline, so I will have to publish it a bit later.?
This has
turned
into a fun project.? More later...
Arv
_._
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 4:01
PM Tom, wb6b < wb6b@...> wrote:
On
Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 06:26 PM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
I remember reading Tim Pittman's Tiny Basic in Dr.
Dobbs Journal
I downloaded the Tiny Basic "plus" for the Arduino and
discovered it included a makefile so you could compile it and
run Tiny Basic on your computer as a command line program.
There were no instructions, but I CDed into the "cli"
directory and ran make. In just a few seconds it compiled the
tiny basic ".ino" file and it now runs tiny basic on my Mac.
My memory of Basic is faded. Other than print "hello",
everything else I've typed in has been greeted by the response
"what?".
Brings back old memories.
Tom, wb6b
?
|
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:17 PM, Bill Cromwell wrote:
The lies that are getting swapped in this thread are remarkably similar to my own fables of the past:)
I knew there was trouble ahead.... Well join in and swap some of your lies. We are curious to know. Tom, wb6b
|
If Musk is halfway right, it's about to get more than amazing:
? ??
Opinions vary, but most researchers in AI do expect the singularity to arrive in the next few decades.
And when it happens, things will get just plain weird.
Hopefully IT will find amusement in allowing us to pass the time coding in Forth on our Nano clones.
Shouldn't pose much of a threat.
Jerry, KE7ER
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM, Tom, wb6b wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:45 AM, Arv Evans wrote:
Must be that we are just not that excitable these days.
It is still amazing. This current computer revolution has been going on for about 40 years.?
It is amazing how much is still fundamentally the same. Although in the last five years, it seems there have been actual new things introduced, not just rehashed or rediscovered old things. Although I'm at a loss to enumerate them at the moment.?
Tom, wb6b
|
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
Hopefully IT will find amusement in allowing us to pass the time coding in Forth on our Nano clones.
Maybe it will let us at least retain our Blue Pills. Beyond that we could become a threat to its dominance. Tom, wb6b
|
SUG meetings were always interesting.? I took my older son to these
and now he and his younger brother are both programmers.? Fun times.
_._
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 8:13 AM Tom, wb6b < wb6b@...> wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 06:57 AM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
Those were fun times!
Yes the were. I remember the West Coast Computer Fairs. Everything from crazy to amazing on display from both companies and individuals showing off their creations.?
Would hop on a Southwest Airlines flight in the morning, spend the day at the fair and hop another flight back to Orange County in the evening. Amazing. $20 flights, no security delays. One time they even delayed the rollout, by a minute or so, of the plane because they saw me running towards the checkin counter for the flight.
Tom, wb6b
|
Bill
The number of players back in those "bad old days" was much smaller
than the number of players today.? Back then it was not unusual to know
or have met 50% of the experts.? Today there are thousands of "experts", with many now being "self anointed experts" to the point that knowing
just a few percent of the most worthy is mostly impossible.
Many of those past year experts have now passed on (Gary Kildare-CP/M,
Steve Jobs-Apple, Dennis Richie-UNIX, etc.).
Arv _._
Hi,
This thread has
gone on and on and on for almost ever and so far off topic!
No. This is not a complaint. Those who do not want to see it
can click on the "ignore this thread" button - sometines
labeled "ignore this subject" - and never see it again. You
won't even to overexert your poor, exhausted index finger
wearing out your delete key. Just *gone* forever.
Once upon a
time I started programming too. I had "real" work to do and
those newfangled computers looked like very useful tools. I
could buy (or steal) software to do inventory or accounting
tasks but they always di a job the way somebody else wanted to
do it and not *MY* way. So I started programming. My "real"
work suffered due to time wasted writing programs. Then I
found better software packages that could be configured to do
my work the way I wanted it done and I dumped that programming
stuff. I moved right out of the closet and went to doing
"real" work. I was labeled "power user" - not programmer. Not
that such programming isn't 'real" work. If you like it or
somebody is paying you to it - or even better, both - it
qualifies as "real" work. I am only in it again because I can
use it to help do some "real" work that I am interested in and
the Arduino type tools are much closer to the configurable
software I chose all those weeks ago. The lies that are
getting swapped in this thread are remarkably similar to my
own fables of the past:)
73,
Bill? KU8H
bark less - wag more
On 3/25/21 1:28 PM, Arv Evans wrote:
Tom
Great!?
I am not quite ready to include the Tiny Basic part, but
it
is getting close.? I'm obviously not going to have the pico-OS
ready
for 1 April publication.? Making the former April Fools day
project
into a real project has added too much coding to meet my
1
April deadline, so I will have to publish it a bit later.?
This has
turned
into a fun project.? More later...
Arv
_._
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 4:01
PM Tom, wb6b < wb6b@...> wrote:
On
Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 06:26 PM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
I remember reading Tim Pittman's Tiny Basic in Dr.
Dobbs Journal
I downloaded the Tiny Basic "plus" for the Arduino and
discovered it included a makefile so you could compile it and
run Tiny Basic on your computer as a command line program.
There were no instructions, but I CDed into the "cli"
directory and ran make. In just a few seconds it compiled the
tiny basic ".ino" file and it now runs tiny basic on my Mac.
My memory of Basic is faded. Other than print "hello",
everything else I've typed in has been greeted by the response
"what?".
Brings back old memories.
Tom, wb6b
?
|
I do recall goimg to MacWorld in Boston with my (now longtime-ex) girlfriend, and practically swooning over the fact that we could buy 2 megs of addin RAM for less than 2 grand! Now it's all like water; abundance brings complacency -- Rich WB2GXM
Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android device
------ Original message------ From: Arv Evans Date: Thu, Mar 25, 2021 1:46 PM Cc: Subject:Re: [BITX20] Trouble ahead
Exciting times are still with us.? It seems though that as we aged,
somehow we lost the excitement.? Today we can buy components
for a few pennies, and there are a myriad of software languages
to play with.? Must be that we are just not that excitable these days.
Arv _._
Tom:
My first computer was homemade: A Processor Technology Sol-20 with a modified Hitachi TV for a monitor.
I wrote an accounting package on it, and ran in 8K of memory using 90K 5.25" FLOPPY DISKS! That eventually lead to my software company, Ecosoft. I dropped the accounting package and concentrated on a statistics package (Microstat) and C programming tools (Eco-C88 C compiler, editor, assembler, and linker). We even had an IDE for the compiler with the entire tool chain embodied in it.
At the time I was teaching a Butler University and a colleague and I built 11 Sol-20's and opened a computing lab, mainly for stats (plus Lotus 123). The Math Dept. got PO'ed because the computer lab was in the College of Business. The College of Business even let me teach a Z80 assembler course as a "business course"...tons of people from Eli Lily.
Those were exciting times!
Jack, W8TEE
On Wednesday, March 24, 2021, 9:46:26 PM EDT, Tom, wb6b < wb6b@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 06:13 PM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
Try typing in: "Wadayamean What?"
If I included the quotation marks, it replied with "How?". Otherwise: "What?" ----- Cut --------
Starting up TinyBasic Plus...
?
65362 bytes free.
OK
>Wadayamean What?
Wadayamean What?
What??
?
----------------
>"Wadayamean What?"
"Wadayamean What?"
How?
--------------
I need to find a old issue of Dr. Dobbs and start typing some Basic code.? If the Basic was supposed to give some kind of wiseacre response. Maybe this basic is too small to be a wise guy, too. So imagine running those old text based Dungeon and Dragons games on an Arduino Nano. I had an old Star Trek game that used two funny special charters from the display ROM of a Processor Technology 64 x 16 ASCII terminal S-100 card. Like they would keep swapping between a couple of funny round shapes to make the Klingon's mouth move when he was talking and generally making threats of one kind or another. If that was written in basic, now I could, with a little more firmware, relive those glorious days on a 0.91inch OLED display. The new possible use for the board I may not use for my audio filter project. ? Tom, wb6b
--
Jack, W8TEE
|
Arv:
I had a chance to meet Gary Killdal near Monterey when I was with Dick Summe (President and co-founder of Que) during that same book-launch trip to SF. I always wanted to know about his "FM Encoding" that he developed for CP/M. I asked him if FM was some form of Frequency Modulation of the digital data. (What did I know...I'm a software guy.) He smiled and said: "No. It stands for F*&%ing Magic!" I then asked about his new double-density disks that used MFM encoding. He smiled again: "More F*&%ing Magic". I instantly liked the guy!
Jack, W8TEE
On Thursday, March 25, 2021, 3:57:51 PM EDT, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:
Bill
The number of players back in those "bad old days" was much smaller
than the number of players today.? Back then it was not unusual to know
or have met 50% of the experts.? Today there are thousands of "experts", with many now being "self anointed experts" to the point that knowing
just a few percent of the most worthy is mostly impossible.
Many of those past year experts have now passed on (Gary Kildare-CP/M,
Steve Jobs-Apple, Dennis Richie-UNIX, etc.).
Arv _._
Hi,
This thread has
gone on and on and on for almost ever and so far off topic!
No. This is not a complaint. Those who do not want to see it
can click on the "ignore this thread" button - sometines
labeled "ignore this subject" - and never see it again. You
won't even to overexert your poor, exhausted index finger
wearing out your delete key. Just *gone* forever.
Once upon a
time I started programming too. I had "real" work to do and
those newfangled computers looked like very useful tools. I
could buy (or steal) software to do inventory or accounting
tasks but they always di a job the way somebody else wanted to
do it and not *MY* way. So I started programming. My "real"
work suffered due to time wasted writing programs. Then I
found better software packages that could be configured to do
my work the way I wanted it done and I dumped that programming
stuff. I moved right out of the closet and went to doing
"real" work. I was labeled "power user" - not programmer. Not
that such programming isn't 'real" work. If you like it or
somebody is paying you to it - or even better, both - it
qualifies as "real" work. I am only in it again because I can
use it to help do some "real" work that I am interested in and
the Arduino type tools are much closer to the configurable
software I chose all those weeks ago. The lies that are
getting swapped in this thread are remarkably similar to my
own fables of the past:)
73,
Bill? KU8H
bark less - wag more
On 3/25/21 1:28 PM, Arv Evans wrote:
Tom
Great!?
I am not quite ready to include the Tiny Basic part, but
it
is getting close.? I'm obviously not going to have the pico-OS
ready
for 1 April publication.? Making the former April Fools day
project
into a real project has added too much coding to meet my
1
April deadline, so I will have to publish it a bit later.?
This has
turned
into a fun project.? More later...
Arv
_._
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 4:01
PM Tom, wb6b < wb6b@...> wrote:
On
Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 06:26 PM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
I remember reading Tim Pittman's Tiny Basic in Dr.
Dobbs Journal
I downloaded the Tiny Basic "plus" for the Arduino and
discovered it included a makefile so you could compile it and
run Tiny Basic on your computer as a command line program.
There were no instructions, but I CDed into the "cli"
directory and ran make. In just a few seconds it compiled the
tiny basic ".ino" file and it now runs tiny basic on my Mac.
My memory of Basic is faded. Other than print "hello",
everything else I've typed in has been greeted by the response
"what?".
Brings back old memories.
Tom, wb6b
?
--
Jack, W8TEE
|
Jerry
You probably already know that the Google "TensorFlow" AI core is available
for FREE from Google.? It only needs 90K or memory (you have to customize your own interface) and is quite complete.? TensorFlow is already present in
many of the on-line question-and-answer systems and in many medical
diagnostics systems.?
How long will it be until we have an AI interface for our uBITX transceivers??
What will the user interface look like, and how long until it becomes the norm
for ham radio equipment?? Seems that we may be on the very edge of setting
new interface protocols for our hobby.
Arv _._
If Musk is halfway right, it's about to get more than amazing:
? ??
Opinions vary, but most researchers in AI do expect the singularity to arrive in the next few decades.
And when it happens, things will get just plain weird.
Hopefully IT will find amusement in allowing us to pass the time coding in Forth on our Nano clones.
Shouldn't pose much of a threat.
Jerry, KE7ER
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM, Tom, wb6b wrote:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:45 AM, Arv Evans wrote:
Must be that we are just not that excitable these days.
It is still amazing. This current computer revolution has been going on for about 40 years.?
It is amazing how much is still fundamentally the same. Although in the last five years, it seems there have been actual new things introduced, not just rehashed or rediscovered old things. Although I'm at a loss to enumerate them at the moment.?
Tom, wb6b
|
That sounds like Gary!?
_._
Arv:
I had a chance to meet Gary Killdal near Monterey when I was with Dick Summe (President and co-founder of Que) during that same book-launch trip to SF. I always wanted to know about his "FM Encoding" that he developed for CP/M. I asked him if FM was some form of Frequency Modulation of the digital data. (What did I know...I'm a software guy.) He smiled and said: "No. It stands for F*&%ing Magic!" I then asked about his new double-density disks that used MFM encoding. He smiled again: "More F*&%ing Magic". I instantly liked the guy!
Jack, W8TEE
On Thursday, March 25, 2021, 3:57:51 PM EDT, Arv Evans < arvid.evans@...> wrote:
Bill
The number of players back in those "bad old days" was much smaller
than the number of players today.? Back then it was not unusual to know
or have met 50% of the experts.? Today there are thousands of "experts", with many now being "self anointed experts" to the point that knowing
just a few percent of the most worthy is mostly impossible.
Many of those past year experts have now passed on (Gary Kildare-CP/M,
Steve Jobs-Apple, Dennis Richie-UNIX, etc.).
Arv _._
Hi,
This thread has
gone on and on and on for almost ever and so far off topic!
No. This is not a complaint. Those who do not want to see it
can click on the "ignore this thread" button - sometines
labeled "ignore this subject" - and never see it again. You
won't even to overexert your poor, exhausted index finger
wearing out your delete key. Just *gone* forever.
Once upon a
time I started programming too. I had "real" work to do and
those newfangled computers looked like very useful tools. I
could buy (or steal) software to do inventory or accounting
tasks but they always di a job the way somebody else wanted to
do it and not *MY* way. So I started programming. My "real"
work suffered due to time wasted writing programs. Then I
found better software packages that could be configured to do
my work the way I wanted it done and I dumped that programming
stuff. I moved right out of the closet and went to doing
"real" work. I was labeled "power user" - not programmer. Not
that such programming isn't 'real" work. If you like it or
somebody is paying you to it - or even better, both - it
qualifies as "real" work. I am only in it again because I can
use it to help do some "real" work that I am interested in and
the Arduino type tools are much closer to the configurable
software I chose all those weeks ago. The lies that are
getting swapped in this thread are remarkably similar to my
own fables of the past:)
73,
Bill? KU8H
bark less - wag more
On 3/25/21 1:28 PM, Arv Evans wrote:
Tom
Great!?
I am not quite ready to include the Tiny Basic part, but
it
is getting close.? I'm obviously not going to have the pico-OS
ready
for 1 April publication.? Making the former April Fools day
project
into a real project has added too much coding to meet my
1
April deadline, so I will have to publish it a bit later.?
This has
turned
into a fun project.? More later...
Arv
_._
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 4:01
PM Tom, wb6b < wb6b@...> wrote:
On
Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 06:26 PM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
I remember reading Tim Pittman's Tiny Basic in Dr.
Dobbs Journal
I downloaded the Tiny Basic "plus" for the Arduino and
discovered it included a makefile so you could compile it and
run Tiny Basic on your computer as a command line program.
There were no instructions, but I CDed into the "cli"
directory and ran make. In just a few seconds it compiled the
tiny basic ".ino" file and it now runs tiny basic on my Mac.
My memory of Basic is faded. Other than print "hello",
everything else I've typed in has been greeted by the response
"what?".
Brings back old memories.
Tom, wb6b
?
--
Jack, W8TEE
|
This thread is pure gold.? I'm a bit younger -- my well-worn copy of K&R is the "Draft ANSI C" version -- but I was reading and dreaming of all these people and things since my single-digit ages in the '70s. Thank you all!
|
We did not plan it that way.? It mostly just happened as part of learning
about emerging hardware and software.?
_._
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:05 PM masch57 < masch57@...> wrote: This thread is pure gold.? I'm a bit younger -- my well-worn copy of K&R is the "Draft ANSI C" version -- but I was reading and dreaming of all these people and things since my single-digit ages in the '70s. Thank you all!
|
BREAKING NEWS!!
?
For those who were asking:
?
?
PS: Sorry for who got the private message, Instead of pressing reply to group I pressed "private"...?
|
I don't know about that.
Jack was clearly planning to tell an entertaining story?
when he gave his account of meeting up with BG.
Jerry, KE7ER
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Show quoted text
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 03:32 PM, Arv Evans wrote:
We did not plan it that way.? It mostly just happened as part of learning
about emerging hardware and software.?
?
|
I agree, Arv. For me, many of my experiences were pure serendipity and right-place-right-time.
Jack, W8TEE
On Thursday, March 25, 2021, 6:33:12 PM EDT, Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:
We did not plan it that way.? It mostly just happened as part of learning
about emerging hardware and software.?
_._
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 4:05 PM masch57 < masch57@...> wrote: This thread is pure gold.? I'm a bit younger -- my well-worn copy of K&R is the "Draft ANSI C" version -- but I was reading and dreaming of all these people and things since my single-digit ages in the '70s. Thank you all!
--
Jack, W8TEE
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