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measuring uBITX IP3 with FLDIGI


Rod Davis
 

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Hi All,

Some time ago I was curious about the quality of embedded sound cards in my old
Dell laptops, so I connected two of them together with audio cables, and ran
FLDIGI on both of them,? in PSK31 mode.That mode shows IP3 information.

I simply used audio-to-audio connections, with no intervening TX and RX.?

I was stunned to see that IP3 was in the -80 dB region! I was impressed
with the quality of the built-in soundcards.

That means it is possible to get a coarse IP3 measurement on a uBITX
using a laptop and a reasonable quality auxiliary receiver, listening to PSK31 from the uBITX.

The measurement would certainly be good enough to give IP3 indications
when adjusting TX RF drive levels, and mic gain, and soundcard output levels.

Be careful not to overload the aux receiver, and turn off the AGC.

Another possibility is to use an audio spectrum analyzer program on the receiving
PC to see the IP3 and IP5 peaks.

Free test equipment!

Rod KM6SN


Gordon Gibby
 

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?I should try that with the cheap $5 dongles we use locally for sound cards for HF and packet.....I bet they aren't near as nice....


gordon



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rod Davis <km6sn@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 11:02 AM
To: BITX20
Subject: [BITX20] measuring uBITX IP3 with FLDIGI
?

Hi All,

Some time ago I was curious about the quality of embedded sound cards in my old
Dell laptops, so I connected two of them together with audio cables, and ran
FLDIGI on both of them,? in PSK31 mode.That mode shows IP3 information.

I simply used audio-to-audio connections, with no intervening TX and RX.?

I was stunned to see that IP3 was in the -80 dB region! I was impressed
with the quality of the built-in soundcards.

That means it is possible to get a coarse IP3 measurement on a uBITX
using a laptop and a reasonable quality auxiliary receiver, listening to PSK31 from the uBITX.

The measurement would certainly be good enough to give IP3 indications
when adjusting TX RF drive levels, and mic gain, and soundcard output levels.

Be careful not to overload the aux receiver, and turn off the AGC.

Another possibility is to use an audio spectrum analyzer program on the receiving
PC to see the IP3 and IP5 peaks.

Free test equipment!

Rod KM6SN


Rod Davis
 

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Gordon,

The Startech USB dongles with the C-Media soundcard are pretty good quality, and low noise floor.
$14 at Newegg:



Regards,

Rod


On 05/03/2018 08:05 AM, Gordon Gibby wrote:

?I should try that with the cheap $5 dongles we use locally for sound cards for HF and packet.....I bet they aren't near as nice....


gordon



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rod Davis <km6sn@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 11:02 AM
To: BITX20
Subject: [BITX20] measuring uBITX IP3 with FLDIGI
?

Hi All,

Some time ago I was curious about the quality of embedded sound cards in my old
Dell laptops, so I connected two of them together with audio cables, and ran
FLDIGI on both of them,? in PSK31 mode.That mode shows IP3 information.

I simply used audio-to-audio connections, with no intervening TX and RX.?

I was stunned to see that IP3 was in the -80 dB region! I was impressed
with the quality of the built-in soundcards.

That means it is possible to get a coarse IP3 measurement on a uBITX
using a laptop and a reasonable quality auxiliary receiver, listening to PSK31 from the uBITX.

The measurement would certainly be good enough to give IP3 indications
when adjusting TX RF drive levels, and mic gain, and soundcard output levels.

Be careful not to overload the aux receiver, and turn off the AGC.

Another possibility is to use an audio spectrum analyzer program on the receiving
PC to see the IP3 and IP5 peaks.

Free test equipment!

Rod KM6SN



Gordon Gibby
 

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?thanks!

gordon



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rod Davis <km6sn@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 11:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] measuring uBITX IP3 with FLDIGI
?

Gordon,

The Startech USB dongles with the C-Media soundcard are pretty good quality, and low noise floor.
$14 at Newegg:



Regards,

Rod


On 05/03/2018 08:05 AM, Gordon Gibby wrote:

?I should try that with the cheap $5 dongles we use locally for sound cards for HF and packet.....I bet they aren't near as nice....


gordon



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rod Davis <km6sn@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 11:02 AM
To: BITX20
Subject: [BITX20] measuring uBITX IP3 with FLDIGI
?

Hi All,

Some time ago I was curious about the quality of embedded sound cards in my old
Dell laptops, so I connected two of them together with audio cables, and ran
FLDIGI on both of them,? in PSK31 mode.That mode shows IP3 information.

I simply used audio-to-audio connections, with no intervening TX and RX.?

I was stunned to see that IP3 was in the -80 dB region! I was impressed
with the quality of the built-in soundcards.

That means it is possible to get a coarse IP3 measurement on a uBITX
using a laptop and a reasonable quality auxiliary receiver, listening to PSK31 from the uBITX.

The measurement would certainly be good enough to give IP3 indications
when adjusting TX RF drive levels, and mic gain, and soundcard output levels.

Be careful not to overload the aux receiver, and turn off the AGC.

Another possibility is to use an audio spectrum analyzer program on the receiving
PC to see the IP3 and IP5 peaks.

Free test equipment!

Rod KM6SN



 

Here's the C-Media chipset they are using:
? ??

I suspect it works fine, and is cheap enough.
Has 16 bit stereo DAC's out to the headphones, but only a mono ADC in for the microphone.
So not a good choice to receive in quadrature for SDR radio.

Some of the high end soundcards claim to grab 24 bits in stereo.
You get 6 dB per bit, so a 16 bit ADC can have a max of 6*16=96 dB dynamic range.
Your mileage may vary, likely several LSB's of just noise in there.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 08:11 am, Rod Davis wrote:

The Startech USB dongles with the C-Media soundcard are pretty good quality, and low noise floor.
$14 at Newegg:

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