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Gordon Gibby
 

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?So....what happens if you just use ONE 1.8432 MHz crystal?? ?Is that too narrow,, too wide, not enough side rejections??? Never did this before.


Gordon




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 12:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cw only
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Michael's suggestion of the SotaBeams audio filter for CW (and SSB) looks good, I assume his one:
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Seems comparable to the NESCAF:
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For a one-off, that's? good deal, scratch building would cost a week.

Farhan's suggestion of using a 1.8432 mhz crystals for a CW filter in parallel with the 12mhz SSB filter?
is also a possibility:????
Given the low crystal frequency and the narrow bandwidth required, we aren't too worried about ripple.
Should be easy to reproduce, I'd try to get crystals from the same manufacturer and match frequencies.
The switched cap audio filters would be far more flexible, but the crystal filter would do a better job
of rejecting strong adjacent signals, and quite a bit cheaper.? Might require a separate tap on the
impedance matching transformers.

We might think of creating an auxiliary board as a kit for the uBitx with a CW filter of some sort
and?a bunch of other stuff.? Perhaps good AGC (and manual RF gain) and an inline SWR meter.?
Plus an AD8307 for use as an S meter and rf probe and sweeperino.
Glue it to the back of the uBitx main board.

The Bitx20A from Pacific Antenna has done away with relays, should give fast QSK:
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They snuff out any transmitted signal into the receiver using a string of series and shunt NFET's.

More typically, a PIN diode scheme is used, perhaps using 1n4007's as PIN diodes.
See post? ??
and the thread around it for a discussion on using PIN diodes for a transmit/receive switch.
Also of interest in the thread is the discussion about needing AGC prior to the audio pre-amp,
as that pre-amp is a dynamic range bottleneck in the Bitx40v3 and likely in the uBitx as well.
In the post, I suggest rectifying some of the transmit RF to create a DC signal to bias the pin diodes.
Somewhere, perhaps in this forum, I later saw a circuit diagram that implemented something like this.?
Saved a link to that circuit but have now lost it, does anybody have a pointer to that circuit?

The band switching relays for the LPF's can stay, they won't be switching around much.
But I'd get rid of the two transmit-receive relays using silicon devices.

The rx ptt pop can be solved by Simon's NFET to shunt the audio to ground:??
the tx carrier burst perhaps by Raj's series cap.

With all that, this could be a very nice CW rig.

Jerry, KE7ER



Jerry Gaffke wrote:
Good fast QSK might be a bit more difficult to implement, but certainly possible.
I'd prefer to go without the transmit-receive relays, examples of this for the Bitx40v3 have been presented

No, you don't need to double the price of the uBitx to use it for CW.

Jerry, KE7ER

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 12:57 pm, Michael Babineau wrote:
The K1EL K16 keyer kit is only $20 and you can get a 1Khz / 300 Hz DSP audio filter module (pre-assembled) from SotaBeams for about $30 ...
that is only $50 total.? You won't end up Ten-Tec QSK but it will still make a pretty decent little CW rig for < $200 total , which is hard to beat.?


 

Well, I haven't done it either.
One crystal might be worth trying, filter shape is not critical for CW.
But as you add crystals, side rejection gets better.?
We also care about far out-of-band rejection, don't want your CW filter to compromise SSB performance.
Though could solder header pins to the uBitx around the 12mhz filter, make the CW filter pluggable.
Easy to swap out different filter prototypes, and could remove it if necessary when operating SSB.
Avoid capacitive coupling between filters (add shielding) and between filter sections.

I'd be suspicious of cheap factory seconds, or anything where they can't tell you the manufacturer and part number.
You want to start out with some well matched crystals.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:03 am, Gordon Gibby wrote:

So....what happens if you just use ONE 1.8432 MHz crystal?? ?Is that too narrow,, too wide, not enough side rejections??? Never did this before.

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Gordon Gibby
 

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Jerry --- THANKS for the information.? ?Some day I'll be retired soon and be able to do a lotta more things....

gordon



Well, I haven't done it either.
One crystal might be worth trying, filter shape is not critical for CW.
But as you add crystals, side rejection gets better.?
We also care about far out-of-band rejection, don't want your CW filter to compromise SSB performance.
Though could solder header pins to the uBitx around the 12mhz filter, make the CW filter pluggable.
Easy to swap out different filter prototypes, and could remove it if necessary when operating SSB.
Avoid capacitive coupling between filters (add shielding) and between filter sections.

I'd be suspicious of cheap factory seconds, or anything where they can't tell you the manufacturer and part number.
You want to start out with some well matched crystals.

Jerry, KE7ER?




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 2:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cw only
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Well, I haven't done it either.
One crystal might be worth trying, filter shape is not critical for CW.
But as you add crystals, side rejection gets better.?
We also care about far out-of-band rejection, don't want your CW filter to compromise SSB performance.
Though could solder header pins to the uBitx around the 12mhz filter, make the CW filter pluggable.
Easy to swap out different filter prototypes, and could remove it if necessary when operating SSB.
Avoid capacitive coupling between filters (add shielding) and between filter sections.

I'd be suspicious of cheap factory seconds, or anything where they can't tell you the manufacturer and part number.
You want to start out with some well matched crystals.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:03 am, Gordon Gibby wrote:

So....what happens if you just use ONE 1.8432 MHz crystal?? ?Is that too narrow,, too wide, not enough side rejections??? Never did this before.

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One purpose of the uBITX and BITX40 is to provide a working SSB transceiver at a reasonable price that gives a lot of opportunity to experiment with modifications and computer programming. ?I think it does that. If you are looking for something which is a competent CW rig as delivered, this isn't it. Maybe someone who is interested will make a full featured CW module to go along with both of these radio But, if you want to use one of them configured for CW the equal or better than something already out there, this isn't your radio. ?Some more appropriate choices in CW kits have been mentioned and one of them might meet your needs.

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73


Jeff ?KB7AIL


 

simply awesome as is!!

On Dec 23, 2017 5:07 PM, <raoul@...> wrote:

One purpose of the uBITX and BITX40 is to provide a working SSB transceiver at a reasonable price that gives a lot of opportunity to experiment with modifications and computer programming.? I think it does that. If you are looking for something which is a competent CW rig as delivered, this isn't it. Maybe someone who is interested will make a full featured CW module to go along with both of these radio But, if you want to use one of them configured for CW the equal or better than something already out there, this isn't your radio.? Some more appropriate choices in CW kits have been mentioned and one of them might meet your needs.

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73


Jeff ?KB7AIL


 

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Hi all


I'm just interested in CW but using only a straight key. Is there much of an issue for implementing this with uBITX?


73 Chris

G3SQU


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of raoul@... <raoul@...>
Sent: 24 December 2017 01:07:22
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cw only
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One purpose of the uBITX and BITX40 is to provide a working SSB transceiver at a reasonable price that gives a lot of opportunity to experiment with modifications and computer programming. ?I think it does that. If you are looking for something which is a competent CW rig as delivered, this isn't it. Maybe someone who is interested will make a full featured CW module to go along with both of these radio But, if you want to use one of them configured for CW the equal or better than something already out there, this isn't your radio. ?Some more appropriate choices in CW kits have been mentioned and one of them might meet your needs.

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73


Jeff ?KB7AIL


 

Chris

If you are happy to make minor hardware and software mods the ubitx could be a great cw all bander.? My suggestions would be:

1) mod the filter by adding additional capacitors as suggested by Asshar Farhan on this forum

2) simplify the keying by turning the analogue port into a digital port in software, and remove the paddle software altogether to reflect a straight key when the port is brought low.? No need for external resistors, just enable the internal pull-up. ? ?

It is an easy conversion to a CW only txcvr.

Mike ZL1AXG?


On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 at 7:52 AM, Chris Clarke <csclarke@...> wrote:

Hi all


I'm just interested in CW but using only a straight key. Is there much of an issue for implementing this with uBITX?


73 Chris

G3SQU


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of raoul@... <raoul@...>
Sent: 24 December 2017 01:07:22

To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Cw only
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One purpose of the uBITX and BITX40 is to provide a working SSB transceiver at a reasonable price that gives a lot of opportunity to experiment with modifications and computer programming.? I think it does that. If you are looking for something which is a competent CW rig as delivered, this isn't it. Maybe someone who is interested will make a full featured CW module to go along with both of these radio But, if you want to use one of them configured for CW the equal or better than something already out there, this isn't your radio.? Some more appropriate choices in CW kits have been mentioned and one of them might meet your needs.

?

73


Jeff ?KB7AIL


 

Hi Chris,

It is already implemented in uBitx. I have been playing with it last couple of days.
It functions like a vox time delay, key operated and if you stop keying for a second it comes back to RX.

Farhan only uses a straight key. I prefer a paddle, I need to get used to this one and my old paddle is
rustly..

Raj

At 27-12-2017, you wrote:

Hi all


I'm just interested in CW but using only a straight key. Is there much of an issue for implementing this with uBITX?


73 Chris

G3SQU