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Re: BITX20, 40 or 75 M versions? (fwd)
Hans Summers
Very interesting ideas.
On the subject of VFO's, one addition I am going to make at some point on my rig is a Huff Puff stabiliser. You can see my version, and read much of what has been written about the Huff Puff stabiliser technique since it was developed by PA0SDB in 1973, visit my page . A year or two ago I spent a day in the Science Museum / Imperial College library in London (I am an ex-IC student in fact!). I had all the RSGB RadCom's bought up from the archives on a trolley, and went through and photocopied all the original articles and follow up. RSGB have given me permission to reproduce them on my website. All that remains is to find the time to scan them etc. In any case, these early articles are of historical interest but in practice you will want to read the more recent articles if you are intending to build a stabiliser. Again, the components are simple logic IC's and should be reasonably easy to source. On the BITX20@..., you will see thatMy counter uses one 74HC4060 and one 74HC4040, not two 74HC4040. The 74HC4060 is used for the timebase because of its onboard crystal oscillator. The URL is: . All these components should be easily obtainable anywhere. Here in the UK the component cost is about ?2. The old CMOS 4060 and 4040 should work just as well, but the maximum count frequency will be lower. At the BITX20's VFO frequency, old CMOS implementation would be fine. I am in frequent correspondence with Onno PA2OHH who designed the original 3-chip version of the counter , which inspired my modified and even simpler version. We have been sharing ideas on the counters, a nice collaboration. He is currently performing some very interesting experiments with a 74HC390 dual decade counter instead of the 74HC4040. With the 74HC4040 the LED's indicate 64, 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1, 0.5KHz. You get good practice at reading binary. With a 74HC390 it is easy to obtain a different sequence: 80, 40, 20, 10 and 8, 4, 2, 1. The LED's can be arranged in two columns of 4, one to indicate 10's of KHz and one to indicate KHz. The mental arithmetic is faster and easier, but the resolution of the counter worsens from 0.5KHz to 1KHz. Note though that the intensity of the least significant LED acts as a kind of analogue frequency indication, which makes it possible to estimate the frequency to better the resolution by a factor of 2. For example in my design if the LED is half brightness, it is possible to estimate that the frequency being measured is xx,xxx,250 Hz. Another advantage of the 74HC390 version is that it does not require the 100-count detect gate (3 diodes + resistor), nor OR'ing this 100-reset signal onto the reset pin (2 diodes + resistor). Thereby eliminating a further 7 components from the design (5 diodes, 2 resistors). I have installed my Mk1 simple 2-chip frequency counter in the front panel of my BITX20 and marked the tuning dial 14.0, 14.1, 14.2, 14.3 and 14.35. My readout is now accurate using the dial for 100KHz accuracy and the counter to read 0 to 99.5KHz. I have not yet debugged my rig so I can't yet be sure how much effect it has on the rig. There is an on/off switch for the counter so that it could be used to read the frequency then disabled. At the present time I hear hiss in my headphones and a faint tone at about 1KHz (the frequency of the pulse-width-modulated LED's) when the volume is at full. But the counter has no shielding yet. I will report further results as and when I have time to progress the project. Another interesting observation: In my 80/40m polyphase receiver I have installed my 8-digit frequency counter as well as a 24-hour clock . The counter and clock are both built in screened boxes made from PCB stock, and they each have an inductor in series with their power supply. Both of them pulse-width modulate the LED displays to eliminate LED series resistor. Duty cycle is 1 in 6 if I remember correctly. Both the clock and the counter have their own on/off switches because I was worried about digital noise getting into the receiver. But during extensive use I have never found it necessary to switch off the counter or the clock, since they appear to contribute nothing at all to the receiver noise floor apart from possibly the occasional and very faint birdie. But even this I have been unable to conclusively prove to myself. Use of low current LED's in the 2-chip simple frequency counter and lower duty cycle (I use 1 : 64) helps noise, because it means the power supply smoothing is much more effective (all other things being equal). I am currently trying (with only limited success) to source a 16 or 32KHz crystal (yes KHz not MHz) to replace the 4.096MHz crystal in the counter, which I hope will reduce the power consumption even more. For the fun of it I am going to build a miniature version using one of the tiny 6mm long cylindrical 32KHz crystals and surface-mount 74HC4060 and 74HC390. Surface-mount, but "ugly" not on a PCB. I hope it will be about the size of a postage stamp, and a few mm thick, with current consumption < 1.5mA. Rather an extreme project and not recommended. But I do definitely recommend the counter design, use more real-world size components! 73 Hans G0UPL |
Re: BITX20, 40 or 75 M versions? (fwd)
Ashhar Farhan
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:22:26 +0530 From: Ashhar Farhan <computercorp@...> To: arvevans@... Cc: farhan@... Subject: RE: BITX20, 40 or 75 M versions? dear arv, you have spent a great deal thinking about the design and the possiblities. it is wonderful to see that amongst us the natural need to push the envelope is well and alive. when i had declared to W7ZOI that the design is frozen, he was skeptical and hopeful at once. he said, wait until someone decides to do things with it that you hadn't even thought of. i guess the idea of an 'open source' design like BITX20 is that you have a simple basic design that invites adaptation and evolution. very interesting points, you raised. let me give you my side of the story on these: (1) One could just change the frequency of the VFO and front-endI didn't want to stray away from 10MHz crystals as they seem to be the cheapest and most universally available of the lot. An interesting variation is that you can use a 10.7MHz standard filter and the same VFO will cover 20 and 40 meter bands. Only the RF preselectors need to be switched. (2) Use of an FET for the VFO as you mentioned in the web page isthis design was made primarily for Indian hams (although i dont know of any who have started to build this in india yet). DDS chips are hard to come by. The entire transceiver costs about 10 dollars to build in india. the DDS chip costs much more. this brings me to the issue of DDS. My personal taste is for purely analog designs. It is a very personal choice. I spend most of my time writing voice over IP software which is wholly digitally. For me radio is a way of getting away from it all. I would rather spend the evening tempurature compensating a low noise FET VFO rather than fight a noisy DDS. But again, it is a purely personal choice. I have seen some pretty good cleaning PPL loops around a basic DDS. If any, I am inclined to implement a Huff and Puff stabilizer for the VFO as a add-on. (3) A cheap microprocessor employed as a frequency counter (withOn the BITX20@..., you will see that Hans Summers (www.hanssummers.com) has a binary counter made of two 74HC4040s. This seems ideal to me. I have avoided it from the basic design to keep the construction challenge low. I personally use my lab frequency counter along with my transceiver for frequency spotting. I keep the counter separate because i found that unless they are well sheilded, the counter tend to generate a lot of noise that back couples from the VFO into the receiver front-end. (4) Adding a dual op-amp to the transmit audio section could providethe primary filtering is provided by the 10 MHz filter. that is why, the modulator is so sparse. i think two back to back diodes could clip the RF to provide better throughput. The trouble with this approach is that you will have to switch this off for CW and PSK31 to preserve the gaussian shaping of these keyed modes. (5a) Conversion of the unit to include CW capability looks fairlyjust upsetting the modulator balance might not give you a full carrier as the carrier oscillator is set to the edge of the filter. a better idea might be to add a sidetone audio oscillator and inject it into the audio amplifier as well as the modulator. probably you can get the mic amplifier oscillating with an RC feedback circuit. (5b) Adding CW sidetone might involve leaving the receive audiolet me confess, most of my personal operating of BITX20 has been on CW and PSK31. not ssb. I use a morse generating program running on my thinkpad feed into the mic input of the BITX20. i do this because it allows to be leave the BITX20 running at the other end of the table and continue my mng qth work (i telecommute to work. my 'office' is a server in an underground dungeon of rackspace in boston). if i hear an interesting station on CW, i just have to switch windows and start a ragchew. (6) Adding VOX capability could be accomplished by sending some ofi now have a two relays working in my own build. i control it through the serial port of the my thinkpad. the thinkpad is programmed to do a lot of things including run an AGC, generate morse, VOX and a bit of voice compression. the code is messy and patchy. i will post this as soon as i get some time from my mng qth. (7) If one added CW capability and wanted QSK there are severalquite true. and i should have done this. too lazy to solder an audio amp together. there is one in the first chapter of EMRFD. i think i will post that circuit on the site. A BITX for 75 M also seems logical for US hams because a significant amountYes, 75M is too noisy in the tropics. In europe and usa, it seems to be the preferred local band. plus, the indian cities are too congested for a 75M antenna. 75M would mean using VFO at 13.5MHz or at 6.5MHz. If is always preferable to have your VFO running on the higher side of the IF to reduce the birdies but stability threatens. At 13.5MHz, you could use a VCO with a 10 turn pot to for tuning. Since I also play around on the US LF band (the Lowfers group) the thought<Each band will require a different set of coils. If you have worked out a set, do send us the details. this information needs to be deciminated. Thanks again for your reply and assistance. Your contribution of the BITXthanks for the kind words. i think far lesser credit should really be attributed to me. most of these circuit blocks came off standard works like Solid State Design and Experimental Methods in RF Design. W7ZOI gave me a huge lot of encouragment and advice on making the rig better. For instance, having a triple tuned circuit on the input was a small but very important change (two capacitors and a coil) that remarkably improved the overall receiver performance and transmission purity. om hans summers has been an exceptional organiser who is marshalling us all to gather together and get on with soldering. he is organising for components, people and places. i am trying to source him with some key components that are very cheaply available in india. thanks for dropping in the email and do stay in touch. 73s, - farhan Thanks again & 73's_________________________________________________________________ Pay Cash on delivery on lakhs of products. 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Re: More components
Bruce Raymond
开云体育I
realize that I'm late getting into the group.? Jameco ()
has 10
MHz, 50 ppm crystals for $0.69/10, $0.59/100+, $0.49/1000.? I
think
that
corresponds to 0,38 L/10, 0,32 L/100, and 0,27 L/1000 (I don't have
a
symbol
for British pounds on my keyboard).
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Hans,
you're going beyond the line of duty to take on the ordering task.?
If
there's some assistance you need from the US side of the pond I'm willing
to
help.
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73,
Bruce
Raymond/ND8I
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More components
Hans Summers
The two extra sets are already accounted for! Seems I should have bought
more spares, but I didn't really want to be stuck with components and be unable to do anything with them. I can get more sets, but without the savings from getting 10+, 25+ and 100+ prices on some items, the price would be ?11.64 + postage (compared to ?8.19 for this bulk-purchased set). Alternatively, tell me you're interested and we'll wait say until next Wednesday same time (13:00 UK time) and see how many orders arrive. Perhaps get some quantity discounts again, if there are enough more people interested. What do people think? And if anyone needs any particular component and can't source it locally (e.g. IRF510 being sent to Baino in Singapore) then I can sort that out for you too, just email me. 72/3 de Hans G0UPL |
2N3866
Jim
I did a little bit of poking around, and found that Mouser offers these at USD$1.50 each, or
$1.24 in 100-pc quantities. For stateside users, it might be possible to set up a volume buy and then distribute them -- US mail is $0.60. A 2 oz. Airmail Letter is $1.55 to India, $1.60 to many places in Western Europe. Mouser has no minimum order, but they ship UPS or Fedex, and it'll probably be around $5.00 for the smallest size pkg. I found some on ebay, but the seller's asking nearly twice the Mouser 100-pc price and he also charges rapacious shipping. For what it's worth ... Jim N6OTQ |
Components
Hans Summers
开云体育?
I have now placed the bulk order for BITX20
components. I have emailed all those who asked for the components. If you
haven't heard from me then I have probably forgotten you in which case shout.
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Due to a further bulk price reduction on the
crystals, and that the price quoted on the telephone ended up less than in the
catalogue, they were just ?0.223 each. The 2N2219A were also cheaper because
more than 10 were ordered. So the overall price came down a little.
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I have ordered two extra complete sets in
case any newcomers want them, as listed below. The price is now ?8.19 for one of
these sets + postage at cost (?0.28 UK). I hope someone will want these sets
because otherwise I'll have them hanging around here doing nothing.
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I also ordered some extra 10MHz crystals and
can provide them at ?2.23 per set of ten, + postage at cost.
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One component set contains:
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Qty 10 of 10.000 MHz crystals, HC49 style
Qty 25 of BC547B transistors
2N2219A driver transistor
IRF510 MOSFET
Qty 15 of 1N4148 diodes
36V Zener diode
9.1V Zener diode
5.6V Zener diode
LM386N-1 Audio Amp IC (correct variety)
Qty 5 of 2-22pF trimmer capacitor
Miniature tuning capacitor*
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* NOTE: The tuning capacitor is one of the miniature kind as used in
portable radios. Size is 20.2 x 20.2 x 10.8mm. Control shaft is 6.6mm diameter
tapped with 2.6mm thread. Panel mounting is via twwo 2.6mm tapped screws next to
the control shaft. Capacitance: AM section 3.0 - 141.6pF, Oscillator section 4.0
- 59.2pF. So in parallel you'd have 200pF which is less than Farhan's design for
350pF. It might therefore be necessary to alter the VFO coil to get the required
tuning range.
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72/3 Hans G0UPL
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A really Exciting Project
John Fisher
开云体育Dear
Friends,
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I have just read all of the
original posts to this new yahoo group, and I am delighted. This is a fun and
exciting project and I am recommending it to all my friends?in the Austin
QRP group. We have many builders here who might be delighted
to?make?this cool project. Thanks to all for bringing this together,
and especially to Ashhar Farhan for all of his work. It is truly a marvelous
project :-)
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?Regards, ?John ?
Austin,
Texas
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email:????? k5jhf@... photos:??? files:??????? webpage:? callsign:??? K5JHF ============================================= ? |
Re: Components from Rapid Electronics
Mr. D.Walters
开云体育Hans,
Please will you go ahead and include me in your
order?
I want the complete set of components?as shown
in your list?below.
Please email me your postal address details and I
will get
the total payment to you.
Best wishes
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Duncan G4DFV
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Re: What are tap washers ?
padmanabhan cattamanchi
Generally tap washers are used to fix leaky
taps/faucets. They are made of teflon or nylon and vary from 1/2 inch dia to 3/4 inch dia, with a hole in the centre which varies frfom 3mm to 4mm in dia. The thickness varies from 2mm to 3.5mm in dia. The size of the tap washers may vary from country to country. The best source for getting the tap washer would be the local hardware store or your plumber. Consult your plumber, he would direct you to the right place to get the tap washers. The BITX20 is a also a plumber's delight HI! 73,s paddy vu2pep __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! |
Re: Components from Rapid Electronics
William Ford
开云体育Hans, I witheld my original cheque pending your
Email of today. I should like the full list as per your Email of 10.51 today and
will pay by Paypal as you suggest in uk pounds
Many thanks? jack ford G0tgp.
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Re: linear coil
Hans Summers
Hi ashhar, sorry to bother you but, I was wanting to know if 3uH i calculated 3uH on each winding.Don't forget Mark, it's a bifilar transformer with two windings, not just a single winding with a centre tap. 73 Hans G0UPL |
Re: Fw: First QSO with the BITX20 Transceiver (fwd)
Hans Summers
The VFO and stabilizer are as large as the mainboard.Pete, what VFO stabilizer are you using? Is it Huff Puff? I love Huff Puff, and definitely intend to build a simple stabiliser for the BITX20 when I have the rest of it working. See my Huff Puff page for details: 73 Hans G0UPL |
Components from Rapid Electronics
Hans Summers
Finally here's a full list of what I can order for you from Rapid
Electronics . Prices are the Rapid prices, i.e. no profit for G0UPL :-( Postage is the price of a UK 1st class stamp for UK orders (?0.28). Other countries will be extra at cost. You must tell me your orders by this Wednesday at 13:00 UK time (12:00 GMT). I will order on Wednesday from Rapid, receive the components on Thursday, and send them out to you on Thursday. UK orders should receive them on Friday, ready for the weekend's homebrewing! Don't send any money yet, just tell me what you want and then wait until Wednesday when I have placed the order at Rapid: it might become slightly cheaper still if we go over other quantity pricing thresholds. You can pay me by any of the following methods: 1. Paypal (preferred) to my email address. Anyone can use a credit card to pay me this way, without needing to be a PayPal member, see . 2. UK cheque or postal order 3. Cash: British Pounds, or if you like approximate equivalent amounts in US Dollar or Euro. Not other currencies please, I am a homebrewer not a bank, I can't handle Mauritanian Ouguiya or Azerbaijanian Manat. If you are going to pay by 2 or 3 above, then I will send you my postal address via email. Rapid do not stock 2N2218 driver transistors, nor are they at Farnell . However I have managed to find a different source for supply of 2N2219A which is like the 2N2218 but has better gain specification. I'm sure it will be suitable. So here's the prices and description: feel free to take all items or only those you think you need. To keep it simple, transistors will be in a set of 25 BC547B, and diodes in a set of 15 1N4148. This leaves a couple of transistors and diodes left over for later modifications! If there's anything else you need particularly then let me know. Varying the quantity is fine too, e.g. take two IRF510's so you have a spare if you are worried about frying them, or if you want to play with push-pull for higher output power. Prices are in UK pounds inclusive of VAT (sales tax). ?3.58 Qty 10 of 10.000 MHz crystals, HC49 style ?0.59 Qty 25 of BC547B transistors ?0.70 2N2219A driver transistor ?1.53 IRF510 MOSFET ?0.19 Qty 15 of 1N4148 diodes ?0.07 36V Zener diode ?0.05 9.1V Zener diode ?0.05 5.6V Zener diode ?0.29 LM386N-1 Audio Amp IC (correct variety) ?1.88 Qty 5 of 2-22pF trimmer capacitor ?0.71 Miniature tuning capacitor* ?9.92 total, if you wanted everything and including ?0.28 UK postage. * NOTE: The tuning capacitor is one of the miniature kind as used in portable radios. Size is 20.2 x 20.2 x 10.8mm. Control shaft is 6.6mm diameter tapped with 2.6mm thread. Panel mounting is via twwo 2.6mm tapped screws next to the control shaft. Capacitance: AM section 3.0 - 141.6pF, Oscillator section 4.0 - 59.2pF. So in parallel you'd have 200pF which is less than Farhan's design for 350pF. It might therefore be necessary to alter the VFO coil to get the required tuning range. 73 Hans G0UPL |
Re: What are tap washers ?
ik1zyw
--- In BITX20@..., "Mark Jones" <Mark@H...> wrote:
Hi, just joined the group. Hope I will have some time to build this great RIG soon. Hmm, good question. An American asked me recently what a "jubileeclip" was - that was a struggle.water tap (faucet?) - like in the bathroom - so that when the water valve isUntil 10 minutes ago I never knew about "jubilee clips". Then I remembered our good friend Google has a good engine for searching images: Jubilee clip: Tap washer: Google images might help for other visual searches as well. Thanks for the explaination Mark, and sorry for the off-topic, Paolo |
Re: Low output
Ashhar Farhan
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, david.g3ryp wrote:
I've taken the measurements you suggested and indeed it was the driver whose output was low - only about 1 volt peak. I was using BC549s throughout and although they tested ok when I changed them in the pre-driver and driver stages for 2n2369s the output from the driver went up to 4.5volts peak. Now where does this 6.3 volt resistor fit in? Am I looking at the wrong schematic? Perhaps in the driver emitters? I'll try changing the 10 ohms to 5.6 or thereabouts and see if the output goes up.The driver and prediver's emitter resistors are 6.2ohms (i used 5 ohms). due to the feedback design, individual transistor types are non-critical. the driver did require a heavier than BC147/2N3904 type of transistor. The plastic package prevents one from being able to gauge their heating by just touching them. until they are properly cooked. the 2N3866 will do fine. the latest 'build' of the circuit is on www.phonestack.com/farhan. - farhan Lastly thanks for putting a unit on the rf voltages. All too often schematics either don't contain rf voltages at all or they don't specify whether they're Peak to Peak or Peak or RMS - and there's quite a difference! |
Low output
david.g3ryp
开云体育Many thanks for the advice Farhan.
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I've taken the measurements you suggested and
indeed it was the driver whose output was low - only about 1 volt peak. I was
using BC549s throughout and although they tested ok when I changed them in the
pre-driver and driver stages for 2n2369s the output from the driver went up to
4.5volts peak.
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I've tried a variety of core types and none appears
to be critical. I'm using a t-50-6 in the IRF510 drain - 14 bifiliar turns to
get the 3uh you suggest. Know what you mean about winding these
things!
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The output without the lpf in circuit is 6.25watts
but I need to adjust the bias for a standing current of rather more than 80ma to
achieve this - although it may be that the balanced mod is not that well
balanced (I haven't put in any caps yet).
I'll test this and let you know. Even without the
lpf the output is quite a pretty sine-wave.
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Now where does this 6.3 volt resistor fit in? Am I
looking at the wrong schematic? Perhaps in the driver emitters? I'll try
changing the 10 ohms to 5.6 or thereabouts and see if the output goes
up.
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Lastly thanks for putting a unit on the rf
voltages. All too often schematics either don't contain rf voltages at all or
they don't specify whether they're Peak to Peak or Peak or RMS - and there's
quite a difference!
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I think I'll change the other 549s for 2n2369s if I
have enough just to see what happens.
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Good luck to everyone.
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David? |
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