Ashtar, I have followed the link to your site:-
www.phonestack.com/farhan
and the schematic around the LM386 still looks the same as before.

Duncan G4DFV

BITXers

There are several alternative ways to build various parts of the BITX
design. For my BITX40 I chose a PTO type oscillator for the VFO.
This uses a layout similar to that done by Jom - WA6OTP
<www.wa6otp.com&#92;pto.htm> for the mechanical construction, but is a BJT
based Clapp oscillator circuit with emitter-follower VFO buffer. A 32
tpi (turns per inch) brass screw is threaded into a coil of #28 wound
on a soda straw and covered in hot-melt glue. The present tuning
range is about +350 KHz for my version. This covers all of 40 Meters
(7.0 - 7.3 MHz) in 28 turns of the knob. I am still tweeking this to
try for 10 KHz per turn, but that is not quite working yet.

A picture has been posted (see PHOTOS in the BITX20 forum pages under
K7HKL) to show the mechanical design. A schematic has not yet been
finalized because the oscillator is prototype and still being modified
for tuning range and temperature stability.

K7HKL

Hi,

Please I do not have the 10MHz crystals to make the filter, but I
have 5 pieces of 8MHz crystals with this 8MHz crystals is possible

to

make the filter with new values of resistor and capacitor?

this kind of filter can be made with several x-tals.
For SSB usualy x-tals above 10 MHz are used, however, lower is also
possible.
The lower the x-tal frequency, the smaller the capacitors between
the x-tals must be.

modify the Bitx20 to Bitx40 is only to modify the Band Pass filter
and de oscillator?Somebody has this modification?

Because almost everything is broadband, it is possible to make it
for the band you want. Exact details: with a dipper and some
experiments you will find it out!
Best regards,
Chris, PA3CRX

The order for the 2nd round of components is now in. With any luck, they
arrive tomorrow and I despatch them to you tomorrow. Due to a shortage of
2N2219 at Viewcom I ordered the real 2N2218 from Mode Components. Slightly
cheaper too :-)

Just like last time, I have ordered two extra sets of components, comprising
all semiconductors, ten 10MHz crystals, trimmer capacitors and a 200pF
tuning capacitor. If anyone wants one of these two spare sets, the price is
exactly ?8, plus ?0.28 UK postage (or whatever the postage for 50g to your
country is, if you are outside the UK).

72/3 Hans G0UPL

Note that I have 20 spare 10MHz crystals, from my components order. Price is
?2.23 for 10 crystals, plus postage at cost.

73 Hans G0UPL

Please I do not have the 10MHz crystals to make the filter, but I
have 5 pieces of 8MHz crystals with this 8MHz crystals is possible to
make the filter with new values of resistor and capacitor?And to
modify the Bitx20 to Bitx40 is only to modify the Band Pass filter
and de oscillator?Somebody has this modification?

Thanks!

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I just measured the resonance frequency of ten 10 MHz
crystals. I found a set of four within 30 Hz and
another set of four within 45 Hz.

How does this compare to other peoples results?

Here are my measurements in ascending order:

9,994,677
9,994,704
9,994,733
9,994,747
9,994,799 0
9,994,811 +12
9,994,821 +22
9,994,829 +30
9,994,874
9,994,887

You can see the chosen 4, which are within 30 Hz. I wouldn't have been able
to match a second set within 45Hz.

Note: these frequency counter readings are on my homebrew frequency counter
(
) which is installed in my 80/40m receiver
(). Previously in 30m
QRSS beacon experiments () I
built a simple 30m direct conversion receiver
() and calibrated the
frequency counter against the Moscow RWM timesignal on 9,996,000. My counter
was reading just over 1KHz too low at this frequency. So the measurements
above would need to be revised upwards by about 1KHz. But it's the relative
frequency which is important here anyway, and I haven't repeated the
calibration.

Did somebody already plot the passband shape of a
resulting 4 crystal filter?

How do you do that? Figure out the shape that is?

Farhan has spoken about theoretically determining the shape. I'd also like
to see experimental measurements. One way is to use a spectrum analyser with
tracking generator and very narrow bandwidths available. The filter shape
would appear directly on the screen. I built a spectrum analyser
(
) and someday I will make a tracking generator, but not yet (too many other
projects).

When I have time, I indend to build another logarithmic amplifier using the
excellent (but expensive) AD8307 chip. Using this with a voltmeter to
measure the logarithmic output, a frequency counter and a 30m VFO it would
be possible to take a series of measurements of the filter attenuation at
different frequencies and plot the curve. The log amp on my spectrum
analyser can be seen here:

/index.htm. You'll note that it's a very simple circuit. I think this will
provide a cheap way to obtain the passband curve.

72/3 de Hans G0UPL

- farhan wrote:

i am convinced that we need to add detailed test measurements for the
transceiver on the site. i have most of them in my log book. i will
post them soon.

I would welcome test measurements - two days of head scratching so
far! The RX is alive in my rig but not yet kicking! I have a lot of
BFO audible in the output also I have had to bypass the xtal filter
and the band pass filter to get any signal strength.

I'll tell you all this story just for fun. I had no joy with the
band pass filter and nearly threw the rig out of the window. Then I
realised that when I had "made" 2.2 pm out of 5 x 10pf caps I had
them in parralel and not series! Oh boy, the basic mistakes!

I try some more tomorrow.

Mark G0MGX



--- In BITX20@..., "vdberghak" <vdberghak@z...> wrote:

Thanks for the additional information.

the correct schmatics are now at www.phonestack.com/farhan.

I checked again and

found

out that point 5 and 6 are stil wrong (not in accordance with the
data sheet, as noticed and posted by someone else).
I connected it correctly but an other person that follows the
schematic can have serious problems.
(if you make adjustments to your site, may be you can also add a
link to this yahoo group?).

The point is that I expected more output after the mixer. I am
always suspicious with that kind of coils (did I take the right

one,

did I make the correct connections, is it really working the way

it

should be) so I like to check something.

if you have already made the crystal filter, it is best that you

measure

and check the signal at the output Q12 (without the RF mixer

connected).
I will work on it today and add directly the next stages to
terminate the filter as good as possible. I hope the output will
then be incresed some more otherwise I do not end up with enough
power at the end (or am I pessimistic ;-) ).

have you tested the receiver yet? it is usually the recevier

that

comes

alive first.

The receiver works, while connecting a wire to Q3 I hear a lot

more

then with the wire connected to the mixer.

i am convinced that we need to add detailed test measurements

for

the

transceiver on the site. i have most of them in my log book. i

will post

them soon.

In general, voltages can be checked easily to find out roughly

that

the connections are correct and the correct values resistors are
mounted. Some general clues about what can be expected while
connecting a wire to a point or what voltage can be measured with
simple test gear would make it more complete indeed. May be

current

with and without oscilator on (for every stage) will avoid the

need

for more test equipment?
Adding too many measurement possibilities may be prevents a lot of
people building the design because they think it is all needed.
Doing the way you do now makes it important for everyone to
understand the circuit resulting in a higher level of radio
amateurs ;-)

Other builders comments?
Best regards,
Chris, PA3CRX

Thanks for the additional information.

the correct schmatics are now at www.phonestack.com/farhan.

I checked again and found
out that point 5 and 6 are stil wrong (not in accordance with the
data sheet, as noticed and posted by someone else).
I connected it correctly but an other person that follows the
schematic can have serious problems.
(if you make adjustments to your site, may be you can also add a
link to this yahoo group?).

The point is that I expected more output after the mixer. I am
always suspicious with that kind of coils (did I take the right one,
did I make the correct connections, is it really working the way it
should be) so I like to check something.

if you have already made the crystal filter, it is best that you

measure

and check the signal at the output Q12 (without the RF mixer

connected).
I will work on it today and add directly the next stages to
terminate the filter as good as possible. I hope the output will
then be incresed some more otherwise I do not end up with enough
power at the end (or am I pessimistic ;-) ).

have you tested the receiver yet? it is usually the recevier that

comes

alive first.

The receiver works, while connecting a wire to Q3 I hear a lot more
then with the wire connected to the mixer.

i am convinced that we need to add detailed test measurements for

the

transceiver on the site. i have most of them in my log book. i

will post

them soon.

In general, voltages can be checked easily to find out roughly that
the connections are correct and the correct values resistors are
mounted. Some general clues about what can be expected while
connecting a wire to a point or what voltage can be measured with
simple test gear would make it more complete indeed. May be current
with and without oscilator on (for every stage) will avoid the need
for more test equipment?
Adding too many measurement possibilities may be prevents a lot of
people building the design because they think it is all needed.
Doing the way you do now makes it important for everyone to
understand the circuit resulting in a higher level of radio
amateurs ;-)

Other builders comments?
Best regards,
Chris, PA3CRX

--- In BITX20@..., "n3ted" <tedkell@e...> wrote:

Did somebody already plot the passband shape of a resulting 4

crystal

filter?

How do you do that? Figure out the shape that is?

the shape is easy to figure out if you already know the crystal
parameters. the crystal parameters are easier to measure now thanks
to the G3UUR method. i have outlined it at
.

the essential idea is that a crystal filter looks like a capacitor
and an inductor in series (these are called motional capacitance and
motional inductance respectively). in addition to these, between the
leads of the crystal you will also be able measure a parallel
capacitance.

using the G3UUR method, you put each of the crystals into the
oscillator and measure its frequency. then you solder a 22pf or a
33pf in series with the crystal and measure the frequency shift. the
shift gives you a good approximation of the motional capacitance and
given the capacitance it is trivial to calculate the inductance
(given that we know the crystal's frequency). the parallel
capacitance is also approximated and the crystal is completely
modelled.

once you know the crystal parameters, you can spend a weekend
understanding the butterworth filter design. or you can use the
cookbook method in EMRFD like I did, or just use w7zoi program that
comes with his other book Introduction to RF Design.

using the my motional parameters, w7zoi did run it through his
program GPLA.exe and i have just uploaded the results to the
pictures folder.

i am including his comments that go with the picture below:
<snip>

The first file, ashhar01, part A, shows the
filter I designed with your motional L of 11.95 mH. I designed for
2200 Hz
bandwidth and a Butterworth response. Then the filter at part B
is a
more practical version of the same thing. It is much like the
filter that
you ended up building. My simulations suggest that is really is
worthwhile
to add the tuning capacitors at the ends though, for it produces a
much
smoother, ripple free response. The first analysis I did used
equal
terminations of 200 Ohms (perhaps 220) at each end and the response
was of
course text book. But the question remained -- what would the
response be
if the filter was terminated in other resistances. The file
ashhar02
shows what you get with a 50 Ohm source and a 200 Ohm load. This
is still
pretty good. The response is not nearly so good with 100 Ohms per
side,
which is about the characteristic Z0 of your amplifiers.

</snip>

- farhan

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, vdberghak wrote:

The LF parts works fine (a pitty the schematic is not corrected with
the voltage/output of the lm386).

the correct schmatics are now at www.phonestack.com/farhan. i have run out
of bandwidth on . ther is no way i can access those
files now. just before i ran out of bandwidth, i did manage to put a
redirect on the home page. yo probably have te BITX20 page directly
bookmarked. which is why you are not being redirected to the new site.

If I add a sinus LF wave to the
microphone terminal, the shape looks simular on the colector.
However, as soon as I connect the coil of the balans mixer to it, it
becomes a-symetrical (one side is going to be clipped).

you need a 10mV signal at the base of the mic. this is usually too low to
be measured with an oscilloscope. your best bet is to actually connect a
mic and speak into it. if you can whistle (keeping your breath away from
the mic), it is a single tone-test. an extended 'aaaa' looks like a
three-tone test to me.

the other side is clipeed, because you note, the diodes in the mixer will
clamp the output through the attentuator. this is an expected behaviour.

If I put a lot of LF signal in it (looks heavily distorted, then I
get a maximum output(after the attenuater) of about 0.2 mw. (in 50
ohm). After reducing the LF signal to a point it looks normal, the
output power is very very less....
Did anyone look at the osciloscoop the way I did? Anyone measured
the output?

it is best to check the balanced modulator on its own first, without the
mic connected. you should be able to null the carrier at mid setting of
the preset and the 22pf trimmer. if that works, then you can move to the
audio stage.

typically, keeping the audio output of the mic amp connected to diode
modulator, you should see similar waveforms at the modulator input (where
the two transformer windings are shorted) and the output (the attentuator
pad) when using the oscilloscope at audio frequencies (keeping the time
base to about 10mSec per div).

as you have pointed out, the distortion is due to the non-linear nature of
the diodes. To measure the RF component alone, you should measure the
output through a hihg pass filter. for quick and dirty measurement,
connecte an RFC across the output of the attenuator and then connected the
oscilloscope.

if you have already made the crystal fitler, it is best that you measure
and check the signal at the output Q12 (without the RF mixer connected).
there is little that can go wrong in the Q12 and Q11. the only caveat is
that depending upon the exact frequency of the BFO, you might or might not
get SSB. If you are sitting in the middle of the filter's passband, you
will get DSB with audio roll-off at 1-2khz. but the enveolope will be
there to see.

have you tested the receiver yet? it is usually the recevier that comes
alive first. it gives you a good idea of how things are working.

i am convinced that we need to add detailed test measurements for the
transceiver on the site. i have most of them in my log book. i will post
them soon.

- farhan

The distortion I can imagine can be caused by one of the diodes, but
such low output at that moment?
After the next amp (before the x-tal filter, the maximum output is
about 1 mw (in 50 ohm). The reason is that I measure in 50 ohm is
that the load is in the mw. meter.
Thanks in advance for your comments,
Chris PA3CRX





Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi,
I build some parts of the transceiver and tested every part
individualy.
The LF parts works fine (a pitty the schematic is not corrected with
the voltage/output of the lm386). If I add a sinus LF wave to the
microphone terminal, the shape looks simular on the colector.
However, as soon as I connect the coil of the balans mixer to it, it
becomes a-symetrical (one side is going to be clipped).
If I put a lot of LF signal in it (looks heavily distorted, then I
get a maximum output(after the attenuater) of about 0.2 mw. (in 50
ohm). After reducing the LF signal to a point it looks normal, the
output power is very very less....
Did anyone look at the osciloscoop the way I did? Anyone measured
the output?
The distortion I can imagine can be caused by one of the diodes, but
such low output at that moment?
After the next amp (before the x-tal filter, the maximum output is
about 1 mw (in 50 ohm). The reason is that I measure in 50 ohm is
that the load is in the mw. meter.
Thanks in advance for your comments,
Chris PA3CRX

--- In BITX20@..., Heinz Schnait <oe5eep@q...> wrote:

Hello,

I just measured the resonance frequency of ten 10 MHz crystals. I

found a

set of four within 30 Hz and another set of four within 45 Hz.

How does this compare to other peoples results?

Did somebody already plot the passband shape of a resulting 4 crystal
filter?

How do you do that? Figure out the shape that is?

Tnx

N3Ted

73 Heinz, OE5EEP

Hello,

I just measured the resonance frequency of ten 10 MHz crystals. I found a
set of four within 30 Hz and another set of four within 45 Hz.

How does this compare to other peoples results?

Did somebody already plot the passband shape of a resulting 4 crystal
filter?

73 Heinz, OE5EEP

BITX'ers,

DEADLINE: 12:00 UTC THURSDAY 01-JUL-04 (TOMORROW!)

Paolo, Farhan and myself are investigating the possibility of a complete kit
of all parts for the project, including resistors, capacitors, variable
resistors, etc along with the previous semiconductors + crystals pack. This
will probably take a while to organise.

In the interim, I have received a request from Charles G4VSZ for 4 component
packs for himself and his club. I also have an outstanding request from Jim
N6OTQ. So this week I will run another round of component sourcing. The
components come mostly from Rapid Electronics because their prices are
excellent. The LM386 comes from Farnell, because then I can be sure that it
is the LM386N-1 variant, which is uncertain from Rapid. The 2N2219 comes
from Viewcom () and incurs some
postage fees which I have to add to their transistor price. The price is the
price of the components, no profit for G0UPL :-(

If more people order, the price will decrease slightly. Last time with 9
orders, it was ?8.19 + ?0.28 postage. At the present time with 5 orders, the
prices are:

?3.29 Qty 10 of 10.000 MHz crystals, HC49 style
?0.59 Qty 25 of BC547B transistors
?0.75 2N2219A driver transistor
?1.53 IRF510 MOSFET
?0.19 Qty 15 of 1N4148 diodes
?0.07 36V Zener diode
?0.05 9.1V Zener diode
?0.05 5.6V Zener diode
?0.29 LM386N-1 Audio Amp IC (correct variety)
?1.88 Qty 5 of 2-22pF trimmer capacitor
?0.71 Miniature tuning capacitor*

?9.68 total including ?0.28 UK postage.

* NOTE: The tuning capacitor is one of the miniature kind as used in
portable radios. Size is 20.2 x 20.2 x 10.8mm. Control shaft is 6.6mm
diameter tapped with 2.6mm thread. Panel mounting is via twwo 2.6mm tapped
screws next to the control shaft. Capacitance: AM section 3.0 - 141.6pF,
Oscillator section 4.0 - 59.2pF. So in parallel you'd have 200pF which is
less than Farhan's design for 350pF. It might therefore be necessary to
alter the VFO coil to get the required tuning range.

Feel free to order extras of any item for spares, or exclude things you
don't want.

Any more orders?

73 Hans G0UPL

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On Jun 29, 2004, at 8:13 AM, Mark Jones wrote:

Here's what I have:

L1,2,3 22 turns 24 SWG on T-50-6
T1, T3 13 turns triffiliar 28 SWG on FT37-43

Any thoughts?

That wire is large enough that it should not have fractured within its enamel coating. For L1 - 3, an ohmmeter will confirm continuity.

For T1 and T3 -- this is worth asking -- did you use multi-colored wire for the trifilar winding to ensure proper connections and phasing? And did you check continuity before and after you soldered? A trifilar winding of #28 is much likelier to break without showing visible damage than the #24.

The only other possible cause I can think of is that the toroids are mis-marked and are so far from providing the right inductances as to make the circuit fail. If you can trust your supplier, this should not be a problem -- to test, use the mfg. data sheet to calculate inductance, place a 1 nF cap across the inductor's leads, and hit it with a dip meter. If it's a good toroid, it'll test within 10% of predicted inductance.

Jim N6OTQ

Hi all

Looking for some help here.

Testing the RX today, AF amp clearly OK, the simple tests in the text work
out fine i.e. Touch base Q4 static, Q3 more static, Q2 less static. Trimmers
with L1,2 & 3 do little or nothing, but the trimmer in the T3 mixer has a
huge effect on noise out of the speaker. At either end of the travel very
loud.

It looks like there is no RF coming in. I have re-wound the two mixers with
no change, I'm wondering about the coils.

Here's what I have:

L1,2,3 22 turns 24 SWG on T-50-6
T1, T3 13 turns triffiliar 28 SWG on FT37-43

Any thoughts?

Mark Jones (G0MGX)
07971 091767

On Jun 29, 2004, at 3:31 AM, g4dfv2004 wrote:

An easier method to make a pad for non-SMD IC's is to use 0.1"
Veroboard instead of plain copper laminate.
Then only one saw/knife cut is required.
KISS?

And an even easier -- yet vastly more expensive -- method is to use one of the etched adapter boards that brings out the pins from a surface-mount chip to 0.1-in spacing pads. SMD chips can be soldered to these with little difficulty and a small iron as Hans noted. Nowadays I use a lighted magnifier -- even on DIP stuff -- because it's a lot easier on me.

And I have a cute little Intel Play USB microscope that has a 10X setting for the more challenging SMD stuff.

Jim N6OTQ