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Re: How to get rid of Local FM broadcast stations #ubitx

 

VU3ONX:

This thread is about interference from FM broadcast stations, which are up around 100 mhz.
Your post of? ?/g/BITX20/message/73876
indicates that you are having trouble with an AM broadcast station, way down around 1 mhz.
You need a low pass filter, not a high pass filter.

Here is one that W8TEE describes, looks like a good solution to me:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/67270
It consists of 4 caps and 3 coils,? it does not include the resistors.
It is symmetrical, so it doesn't matter which end is which.
The photo in that post shows it connected up to some other rig, not a uBitx.
But I believe Jack simply inserts that filter in line with his antenna, before it gets to his uBitx.
That seems like the easiest and lowest risk way to do it.
If building it for the uBitx, I would use the T50-6 toroids and 100 volt rated NPO capacitors.

These filters could be installed only in the receive path of the uBitx,
leaving the transmitted signal untouched.?
Here's a post where somebody does this mod to the uBitx:
? ??/g/BITX20/wiki/uBITX-AM-BCI-Filter
He has cut the trace between K3 pin 11 and K1 pin 12, the cut is not shown
because it is underneath the new filter board.
The red lines indicate wires from both ends of the cut trace into the new filter.
The blue lines indicate ground wires from the filter to the uBitx ground plane.
This method is guaranteed not to disturb your transmitted signal, as the cut
trace only carries the received signal.? However there is a slight chance that
since we are allowing your interfering signal into the box, it will somehow couple
into the receiver, going around the filter (I doubt this would be a problem).

Even though those two filters have completely different values for the coils and caps,
my guess is that either filter would work, using either method of installing it.

There have been other AM broadcast filters mentioned in the forum.
I have no idea what works best, as I live far from any AM broadcast station.
Perhaps others forum members could speak up.

Iz Ooz asked:
>? To have a better understanding of the problem, if you have an attenuator available, 10-20db, do you still hear the broadcast interference?

He is suggesting that you reduce the strength of all signals coming in from your antenna.
If a 10dB reduction in signal strength is sufficient for the uBitx receiver to not hear this AM station,
then we know that the filter need not be all that effective.
We would also want to know the frequency of the AM? broadcast station.

If you have such attenuators, go ahead and try this.
If not, I suggest you just build the filter that W8TEE described, put that in line with the antenna, see if it works.

If you want to experiment with building attenuators, look over this webpage:
? ??
Use the second schematic for a pi section attenuator.
For a 10dB attenuator, the table shows that the two R3 resistors should be around 96 ohms,
and the single R4 resistor should be 71 ohms.? Anything within 10% of those values would be fine.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 09:26 PM, <vu3onx@...> wrote:

Hello Jerry Gaffke,
Thank you for your details troubleshooting tips.
Details of my uBitx is at /g/BITX20/message/73904

I dont have a battery. So I kept my PSU connected.

I use a metal box. Still I wrapped using kitchen aluminum foil.

Following your steps, I observed that the moment I connect my antenna cable, I start getting the local broadcast.?
So is it concluded that I need High pass filter?

Could you please suggest any DIY High pass Filter ?

73
vu3onx


Re: V6 mic connector - compatibility

 

Iz Oss

Properly wired it it is compatible with any rig that supports an electret type microphone.?
These have an internal FET that needs a small voltage and possibly a DC isolating
capacitor (capacitor need depends on circuit layout).?

If one wants to use a standard Icom, Yaseu, etc. microphone with a uBITX? then you
need to know the circuit layout of that unit and adapt your microphone to that layout.?

Dynamic or crystal microphones may not provide sufficient signal output to drive an
input that is designed for an electret microphone.? Dynamic microphones may also
require an isolating capacitor to block DC? from the microphone and a resistor to
adjust microphone DC bias to what it would be if an electret microphone were used.?


Arv? K7HKL
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On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 9:47 AM iz oos <and2oosiz2@...> wrote:

Hi all, I see the ubitx V6 comes with a stock mic. Is this compatible to any brand, Icom, Yaesu or Kenwood?


V6 mic connector - compatibility

 

Hi all, I see the ubitx V6 comes with a stock mic. Is this compatible to any brand, Icom, Yaesu or Kenwood?


Finding information on Ian KD8CEC CEC firmware made easy #ubitx #smeter #calibration #nextion

 

To refind all the very interesting information Ian has created I ordered some of it in a simple text document with links to his blog

hopefully others find this helpful as well.

feel free to expand

? http://www.hamskey.com/2019/02/release-cec-firmware-v1121-for-ubitx-v5.html
new IF band filter array
?
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/09/ubitx-setting-for-custmizedhacked-or.html
more gpio when using i2c display here needed for extra lp filters with relays
?
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/09/ubitx-firmware-cec-version-11-release.html
combining many updates
Changed from version 1.08
?major feature improvements
?- Support Nextion LCD, TJC LCD
?- Read & Backup uBITX, ADC Monitoring, ATT, IF-Shift and more on Nextion LCD (TJC LCD)
?- Factory Reset (Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable)
?- Support Signal Meter using ADC (A7 Port)
?- Support I2C Signal Meter
?- Spectrum
?- Band Scan
?- Memory Control on Nextion LCD (TJC LCD)
?- Speed Change CW-Option on Nextion LCD
?- Fixed Band Change Bug (Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable)
?- uBITX Manager removed the Encode and Decode buttons. The procedure has become a bit easier.
?- I2C Device Scan on uBITX Manager ( Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable)
?- Si5351 I2C Address can be changed
?- Recovery using QR-Code Data from Server
?- Nextion LCD and TJC LCD can display Spectrum and CW Decode (using Stand alone S-Meter)
?- Other Minor Bugs solved
?
Details with the sub-updates
?
Version 1.80
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/05/ubitx-firmware-cec-version-108-release.html
?
Version 1.94
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/06/ubitx-firmware-cec-version-1094beta.html
?
Version 1.95
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/07/ubitx-firmware-cec-version-1095beta.html
?
Version 1.97
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/08/ubitx-firmware-cec-version-1097beta.html
?
The stand alone signal analyzer/i2c S meter
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/08/standalone-signal-analyzer-i2c-type.html
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/07/standalone-signal-analyzer-i2c-type_29.html
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/07/standalone-signal-analyzer-i2c-type.html
?
S-meter
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/07/capacitor-selection-and-application-of.html
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/06/creating-simple-s-meter-sensor-for.html
?
Using the Nextion lcd
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/07/multi-nextion-lcd-include-tjc-for-ubitx.html
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/06/ubitx-with-nextion-lcd-cec-firmware.html
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/06/how-to-use-nextion-lcd-3-practice-for.html
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/06/how-to-use-nextion-lcd-2-programming.html
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/06/how-to-use-nextion-lcd-1-start-nextion.html
?
uBITx Calibration
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/05/frequency-adjustment-of-ubitx-si5351.html
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/05/how-to-calibration-ubitx.html
http://www.hamskey.com/2018/05/introducing-ubitxs-invalid-calibration.html
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73


Re: V6

 

Gosh, I'm the only only one not having a V6! Need one!!!!


Il 23/dic/2019 08:09, "Dave Dixon" <wylyeguy2@...> ha scritto:
Hi,
?????? Just had confirmation my V6 is on its way seasons greetings to all.Dave G0AYD
.
PS.I have a main board for a bitx 40 and am still looking for a complete raduino for it..



Re: How to get rid of Local FM broadcast stations #ubitx

 

To have a better understanding of the problem, if you have an attenuator available, 10-20db, do you still hear the broadcast interference?


Il 23/dic/2019 06:26, <vu3onx@...> ha scritto:
Hello Jerry Gaffke,
Thank you for your details troubleshooting tips.
Details of my uBitx is at /g/BITX20/message/73904

I dont have a battery. So I kept my PSU connected.

I use a metal box. Still I wrapped using kitchen aluminum foil.

Following your steps, I observed that the moment I connect my antenna cable, I start getting the local broadcast.?
So is it concluded that I need High pass filter?

Could you please suggest any DIY High pass Filter ?

73
vu3onx


Re: V6 radino on V5 board?

 

I thought I saw a difference in the Digital connector wiring on the new v6 Raduino.? If so, will need to rewire that connector as well.

73
Evan
AC9TU


Re: V6 radino on V5 board?

 

Thanks for clarifying that Ashhar, i thought that was how it was configured. My display should be here today so i can jumper the tft screen to the old board and try it .
Thanks again

73
MM0BEF_____Brian


Re: V6

Dave Dixon
 

Hi,
?????? Just had confirmation my V6 is on its way seasons greetings to all.Dave G0AYD
.
PS.I have a main board for a bitx 40 and am still looking for a complete raduino for it..


Re: TIA amps modification

 

May I ask what schematic are you refering to?
I have been thinking about using a MSA-686 MMIC (approx. the same as MAR-6) with a variable PIN-diode attenuator at it's output as the 1st IF amplifier in my homebrew ubitx to get AGC.
The MSA-686 should have plenty of gain to waste in the the the attenuator, maybe even too much. :)
However it should start compressing only around -3 to 0dBm at the ubitx antenna connector, so I should be safe.


Re: How to get rid of Local FM broadcast stations #ubitx

 

Hello Jerry Gaffke,
Thank you for your details troubleshooting tips.
Details of my uBitx is at /g/BITX20/message/73904

I dont have a battery. So I kept my PSU connected.

I use a metal box. Still I wrapped using kitchen aluminum foil.

Following your steps, I observed that the moment I connect my antenna cable, I start getting the local broadcast.?
So is it concluded that I need High pass filter?

Could you please suggest any DIY High pass Filter ?

73
vu3onx


Re: FS: Carl Beck 3D-printed uBitx case

Christopher Ryan
 

Thank you for the quick response. Please let me get back tomorrow with details on this enclosure.
Kind regards,
Christopher

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 5:48 PM Christopher Ryan via Groups.Io <TACTICAL.RADIO.GEAR=[email protected]> wrote:

This case is available.
Christopher

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 5:42 PM Sheldon Howard <drsheldonhoward@...> wrote:
If the case is still available, I would?like to purchase it.?

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 3:59 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
Hello all,

After selling my unbuilt uBitx & Bitx40 (thanks again to all that expressed interest), I just uncovered a Carl Beck (SK) 3D-printed uBitx case & knob kit, new and unused.

This kit was made for the uBitx specifically, with all appropriate holes and openings as needed. This case is suitable for a recent version of the uBitx, NOT the V6 model with the touchscreen.

I repeat, this is NOT suitable for the current V6 uBitx.

More information can be found here:?

If interested, I¡¯d like $45 shipped, but I¡¯ll entertain offers.

This case is no longer available, this may be one of the last examples of his work available, ready to contain your uBitx V5 or earlier..

Thanks,

Ken, N2VIP


Re: FS: Carl Beck 3D-printed uBitx case

Christopher Ryan
 

This case is available.
Christopher


On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 5:42 PM Sheldon Howard <drsheldonhoward@...> wrote:
If the case is still available, I would?like to purchase it.?

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 3:59 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
Hello all,

After selling my unbuilt uBitx & Bitx40 (thanks again to all that expressed interest), I just uncovered a Carl Beck (SK) 3D-printed uBitx case & knob kit, new and unused.

This kit was made for the uBitx specifically, with all appropriate holes and openings as needed. This case is suitable for a recent version of the uBitx, NOT the V6 model with the touchscreen.

I repeat, this is NOT suitable for the current V6 uBitx.

More information can be found here:?

If interested, I¡¯d like $45 shipped, but I¡¯ll entertain offers.

This case is no longer available, this may be one of the last examples of his work available, ready to contain your uBitx V5 or earlier..

Thanks,

Ken, N2VIP


Re: TOPIC OF THE v3 v4 L5 L7 Mod GOT ME WONDERING

 

Harry

glad my spurious matters (rather small in the whole picture) got you interested to build the v3.?

Jerry summarized it nicely - best to avoid bands above 17m on SSB.? I am not recalling the CW details, but I remember it to be reasonable on 40 and 20 meters - and above this no concerns with harmonics.? do build and enjoy some QSOs with a rig enjoyed by many around the world.?

73 Curt


Re: FS: Carl Beck 3D-printed uBitx case

 

If the case is still available, I would?like to purchase it.?


On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 3:59 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:
Hello all,

After selling my unbuilt uBitx & Bitx40 (thanks again to all that expressed interest), I just uncovered a Carl Beck (SK) 3D-printed uBitx case & knob kit, new and unused.

This kit was made for the uBitx specifically, with all appropriate holes and openings as needed. This case is suitable for a recent version of the uBitx, NOT the V6 model with the touchscreen.

I repeat, this is NOT suitable for the current V6 uBitx.

More information can be found here:?

If interested, I¡¯d like $45 shipped, but I¡¯ll entertain offers.

This case is no longer available, this may be one of the last examples of his work available, ready to contain your uBitx V5 or earlier..

Thanks,

Ken, N2VIP


Re: TOPIC OF THE v3 v4 L5 L7 Mod GOT ME WONDERING

 

Just crushing a part can work, I've done some of that as well.
But depending on the part, the technique, and how well the board is glued together,
it might decide to rip the pads off the board.? Not good.

Chipquik is useful in a lot of situations where crush and clean is not an option.
Especially if you want to save the part.
In my decades before Chipquik, my go-to method was to use a hot air gun with a tin foil mask over nearby parts, pluck the part off with tweezers.
But neighboring parts often shift once the solder melts, and too much heat can also cause pads to delaminate.

Here it's $12.19 with free shipping:??
Also on Amazon, of course.? But Adafruit is worth supporting, as they do a lot of development and make their documentation available.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 01:31 PM, MadRadioModder wrote:

Just crush the transistors with a set of small diagonal wire cutters and wipe the legs off the pads with a low watt soldering pencil.? Save the $16 plus shipping on the chipquik.

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Re: V6 radino on V5 board?

 

On V6, the connector to the digital board has two extra pins. These don't disturb the original configuration of the original connecotor, they bring the keyer pin and the ptt to the main?board to be routed to the keyer and the mic connectors. You could still plug in an old 16x2 LCD raduino into the new v6 main board and it will work all the same.
Now, about running the v6 firmware on v5 board, you will have to jumper gnd, 5v and the six data lines between the old raduino and a tft 2.8 inch display. I will post the pictures soon. The firmware for v6 will work for v5 board as long as you have connected am ili9341 tft display with touch on it.

- f

On Mon 23 Dec, 2019, 6:41 AM , <mm0bef@...> wrote:
I noticed that too. The "CONTROL" connectors on the v5 and v6 appear to be reversed. Ill check this when i get a chance. Apart from that ,a quick glance at the schematics for both, the only differences i noticed were the TFT wiring plus the keyer and ptt lines from the main board to the raduino.?
Anyone managed to get the TFT working on their V5 yet?

73
Brian
MM0BEF


Re: V6 radino on V5 board?

 

I noticed that too. The "CONTROL" connectors on the v5 and v6 appear to be reversed. Ill check this when i get a chance. Apart from that ,a quick glance at the schematics for both, the only differences i noticed were the TFT wiring plus the keyer and ptt lines from the main board to the raduino.?
Anyone managed to get the TFT working on their V5 yet?

73
Brian
MM0BEF


FS: Carl Beck 3D-printed uBitx case

 

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Hello all,

After selling my unbuilt uBitx & Bitx40 (thanks again to all that expressed interest), I just uncovered a Carl Beck (SK) 3D-printed uBitx case & knob kit, new and unused.

This kit was made for the uBitx specifically, with all appropriate holes and openings as needed. This case is suitable for a recent version of the uBitx, NOT the V6 model with the touchscreen.

I repeat, this is NOT suitable for the current V6 uBitx.

More information can be found here:?

If interested, I¡¯d like $45 shipped, but I¡¯ll entertain offers.

This case is no longer available, this may be one of the last examples of his work available, ready to contain your uBitx V5 or earlier..

Thanks,

Ken, N2VIP


Re: TOPIC OF THE v3 v4 L5 L7 Mod GOT ME WONDERING

 

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Just crush the transistors with a set of small diagonal wire cutters and wipe the legs off the pads with a low watt soldering pencil.? Save the $16 plus shipping on the chipquik.

?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2019 11:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] TOPIC OF THE v3 v4 L5 L7 Mod GOT ME WONDERING

?

On v5 (and v6), the changes Farhan made to reduce the 45mhz-DialFreq spur are as follows:
? ?v5 has a new low pass filter at L31,L32,C205 to block the 90mhz harmonic of the 45mhz IF
? ?R26 is now 220 ohms, to increase current (and reduce distortion on large signals)
? ?Transistors Q20,21,22 are now BFR93W for lower distortion (less harmonics) at 45mhz

I have listed those in what I consider to be their order of importance.
Changing out the transistors is the most difficult, and the other two changes may well be
sufficient to reduce the spur enough to meet FCC regs.?

I suggest using a low temperature alloy such as ChipQuik if removing those transistors:
? ??
You first wick away most of the old solder using solder braid and flux, then add a bit
of the ChipQuik as if it were normal solder.? If that ChipQuik is more than luke warm
(via either a soldering iron or a $20 hot air embossing gun) it will be molten, making
it easy to pluck the transistor off with tweezers.

ChipQuik will also be useful when removing the old relays, if replacing them with Axicom relays.
You must either replace those relays or use an external filter appropriate for each band
to prevent harmonics from going out on the air with a v3 or v4 rig.

Here's the discussion in the forum where Farhan developed those changes:?
? ? ?/g/BITX20/message/61645
Note that there are 70 messages in that thread, and there are other such threads.
That particular message doesn't mention the transistors, but the 2n3904's simply don't have
sufficient Gain-Bandwidth-Product to work well at 45mhz, and so distortion occurs?
which produces that 90mhz second harmonic.? But if the filter of L31,L32,C205 is successful
in preventing the harmonic from reaching the first mixer, that's most of the fix.

For better performance during receive, you might also want to change out Q10,11,12?
to the BFR93W's.??

How swapping out L5,L7 for shielded parts would reduce this particular spur
is a bit of a mystery to me, but could well be the case.? Shielded coils
would prevent high magnetic fields in the nearby final amp from getting back into
the IF amp, so worth doing if you have them on hand.? There were other?
problematic spurs beyond the 45mhz-DialFreq spur that this could cure.

There were a bunch of other changes around the audio amp for v5.??

If you have an LM386 or a non-DX branded TDA2822 working in the audio amp, that should be fine.
The discrete transistors of v4 worked well enough for many, but if you have trouble with distortion
or insufficient power it should be easy enough to patch in an LM386 or TDA2822.
That new 2n7000 is there in front of the audio power amp on v5 to reduce annoying PTT pops
in your received audio when keying the mike, but is not essential.

Lots of changes to the final power amp for transmitting, these bring up the transmit power?
on the higher frequencies.? Without these mods you may only get a watt or two at 30mhz,
while getting perhaps 10 watts on 3.5mhz.? But these mods are hardly worth the trouble.
I would just use an external linear such as the 10W linear from QRP-Labs if you need more power,
though you will need an appropriate attenuator between the uBitx and that amp.

Be careful of increasing mike gain beyond what's available in the design as shipped from hfsignals.
Increasing mike gain to compensate for loss of gain in the transmit power amp at higher frequencies means
larger signals in the IF amps, and thus more distortion in those amps and in the mixers,
and thus far far worse trouble with spurs which you won't be aware of unless you look it over good
with a spectrum analyzer.? The rig can sound fine on the air, and still be putting out significant
out-of-band spurs if the mike gain is too high.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 08:17 PM, Jerry Gaffke wrote:

Raj found that using a particular brand of shielded inductor fix at L5 and L7 would cure that spur.
Some report it didn't work for them.
Farhan found he could tame the spur on his rig by adding a filter between the 45mhz IF
and the first mixer that prevented the 2'd harmonic of 45mhz from getting into that mixer.
Again, this is a kind of tricky fix.? ? When I search for "spur" in the forum I get 757 hits, mostly
discussions about the above two possible ways to fix this spur.
On v5 and v6, Farhan changed a number of components to reduce the harmonic content
of the signal from the 45mhz IF, this fix is working very well.


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