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Re: Bitx40v3.5 exciter plus Qrp PA -prototype-

Timothy Fidler
 

You need to be using dogbone Silver mica capacitors or you might get away with? 600 V ceramic capacitors.? You can't use standard ceramics at 50 or 100V rating on this duty.? ?Diz at Kits and parts / Toroid king sells Silver mica capacitors from the US.? Other than that they can be hard to find.? There are also specialised tongue in metal tube SM capacitors for transmitting power but they are also very expensive and not for self constructor use unless you have large amounts of spare cash.?


Re: Bitx40v3.5 exciter plus Qrp PA -prototype-

R Rizani
 

Doyou have a sprint layout file ?


Re: Need Help Troubleshooting UBit-X #ubitx-help

 

The TDA2822 should not have failed but for two reasons explained by many. I am just recapitulating them.
1. Stereo out jack with mono earphone or external speaker plugged. This situation created short at the amplifier output.
2. using the device at its extreme working voltage. See anywhere, you find that this device is used only at 3 or? 6V.
?Solutions where implemented , the devices should be working even now.

regards
sarma?? vu3zmv


On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 11:24 AM Raj vu2zap <rajendrakumargg@...> wrote:
Jerry,

I have had some non-WX chips fail at loud levels.

Raj

At 23-01-19, you wrote:
The only problem with the audio amp on the v3 boards was that
they had a run of bad TDA2822 clone chips.
The TDA2822's with a "WX" marking may (or may not) fail when powered from 12v,
if you catch it before it blows you can add a voltage regulator to feed it only 6v or so and it will be fine.
As far as I know, nobody ever had other than the "WX" marked parts fail.
If a WX does fail, I'd suggest you replace it with an NJM2073D (identical pinout and function), costs about $1 US.
Other TDA2822's from hfsignals (mostly marked "FCI") work fine with no mods required.

The v4 boards replaced the TDA2822's with an 2n3904/2n3906 push-pull pair.
But that suffers from low volume and often lots of crossover distortion.

Lots of little LM386 amplifier modules out there for $1 US if you don't want to mess with chips,
should work fine as a replacement of the final audio amp on either v3 or v4.
???
Wire the input to that module from VOL-M on the uBitx volume control pot and feed the LM386 12v.
You'll want the 1uF (or so) cap between LM386 pins 1 and 8 to boost the gain up from 20dB to 40dB.
Should wind up with something very much like the LM386 audio amp on the Bitx40.

Jerry, KE7ER


Re: Need Help Troubleshooting UBit-X #ubitx-help

 

Jerry,

I have had some non-WX chips fail at loud levels.

Raj

At 23-01-19, you wrote:

The only problem with the audio amp on the v3 boards was that
they had a run of bad TDA2822 clone chips.
The TDA2822's with a "WX" marking may (or may not) fail when powered from 12v,
if you catch it before it blows you can add a voltage regulator to feed it only 6v or so and it will be fine.
As far as I know, nobody ever had other than the "WX" marked parts fail.
If a WX does fail, I'd suggest you replace it with an NJM2073D (identical pinout and function), costs about $1 US.
Other TDA2822's from hfsignals (mostly marked "FCI") work fine with no mods required.

The v4 boards replaced the TDA2822's with an 2n3904/2n3906 push-pull pair.
But that suffers from low volume and often lots of crossover distortion.

Lots of little LM386 amplifier modules out there for $1 US if you don't want to mess with chips,
should work fine as a replacement of the final audio amp on either v3 or v4.
???
Wire the input to that module from VOL-M on the uBitx volume control pot and feed the LM386 12v.
You'll want the 1uF (or so) cap between LM386 pins 1 and 8 to boost the gain up from 20dB to 40dB.
Should wind up with something very much like the LM386 audio amp on the Bitx40.

Jerry, KE7ER


Re: Spurs/Harmonics fixes for v4 based on v5 board design?

 

The SDRplay RSP1A is $109, has a 14 bit ADC.
? ??
Some of the older stuff was 12 bits.
Not sure why you would want the dual receiver version.

And not sure how well this would do as a spectrum analyzer,
but looks promising.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 07:41 PM, Evan Hand wrote:
The ADC is 8 bits, so same as the RTL-SDR.

Maybe the SDRPlay with the 12 bit ADC?? The dual receiver version was $270.? Might be a good compromise, as well as with an automatic switch (MFJ makes one) you could have a pan adapter display to use with the uBitx.? Since I already have that function in my IC-7300 not a selling point for me.


Re: Spurs/Harmonics fixes for v4 based on v5 board design?

 

The ADC is 8 bits, so same as the RTL-SDR.

Maybe the SDRPlay with the 12 bit ADC?? The dual receiver version was $270.? Might be a good compromise, as well as with an automatic switch (MFJ makes one) you could have a pan adapter display to use with the uBitx.? Since I already have that function in my IC-7300 not a selling point for me.

73
Evan
AC9TU


Re: Spurs/Harmonics fixes for v4 based on v5 board design?

 

Good question.? I have the DS4202C - 4000 series?

Someone posted a link to one site that allowed renting a analyzer.. a little pricey could do it for a week or something.? Hoping there is someway to do it with the scope FFT perhaps to save some money.





On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 07:22 PM, Evan Hand wrote:
Dave,
Do you know the ADC specs for your scope?? It could be a dynamic range of the input again.? 8 bits are fine when there is a voltage divider to scale the input so that it fits on the screen.? The FFT would be limited by that range in detecting small signal variation that are required for the FFT to be very accurate.? Same problem as the input to the RTL-SDR.

Maybe someone has a better explanation, or way to test for the harmonics

I did ask some of the members at my club, and to my surprise they are using the RF Explorer as their SA.? Was looking for a way to verify if I had the spurs or not.

I keep thinking about that $700 Rigol, maybe could try it, and if it does detect the spurs then could look at a white noise generator for the filter testing in place of the tracking generator function. Just adds an extra step in verifying the input prior to measuring the output.? If that doesn't work, still might be able to recover some of the cost by selling used and then buy the $1200-$1300 devices.


73
Evan
AC9TU


Re: Spurs/Harmonics fixes for v4 based on v5 board design?

 

Dave,
Do you know the ADC specs for your scope?? It could be a dynamic range of the input again.? 8 bits are fine when there is a voltage divider to scale the input so that it fits on the screen.? The FFT would be limited by that range in detecting small signal variation that are required for the FFT to be very accurate.? Same problem as the input to the RTL-SDR.

Maybe someone has a better explanation, or way to test for the harmonics

I did ask some of the members at my club, and to my surprise they are using the RF Explorer as their SA.? Was looking for a way to verify if I had the spurs or not.

I keep thinking about that $700 Rigol, maybe could try it, and if it does detect the spurs then could look at a white noise generator for the filter testing in place of the tracking generator function. Just adds an extra step in verifying the input prior to measuring the output.? If that doesn't work, still might be able to recover some of the cost by selling used and then buy the $1200-$1300 devices.


73
Evan
AC9TU


Re: Spurs/Harmonics fixes for v4 based on v5 board design?

 

I actually did replace all of the relays with axicom relays.? I bought some parts to build an external filter to see how that does (not due to arrive for a while).? I'm transmitting SSB when doing the test.

I also bought the parts to replace L5 and L7 not due to arrive for a little while either.? Any chance the mod suggested for the v5 board would solve this harmonic?




On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 06:43 PM, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
21.5mhz is the third harmonic of 7.15mhz, we can expect some trouble there,
though -20dBc is worse than I recall seeing on measurements posted here for other uBitx's.
Moving to the axicom relays might help this considerably, or any of the other mods
proposed for fixing the ubitx board layout issues in the transmit low pass filters.
Or could just add an external low pass filter between rig and antenna
when operating on 40 meters to fix this.

I'd guess you are transmitting in CW mode, which may be driving the final too hard.
You might try reducing the drive to the final at RV1, see if that helps.
Make a mark first so you can remember how it had been set originally.

Jerry


On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 05:43 PM, Dave Space wrote:
So I remeasured my ubitx this time with my oscilloscope FFT.? Not sure how accurate those are?

It shows a lot less spurs but does still show a spur only -20db down when transmitting at 7.150MHZ somewhere around 21.5MHZ or so (I didn't zoom in too far so plus or minus ~500khz .? (I tested connected to the scope through coax -40db attenuator).

It tends to confirm of the rtl-sdr which saw one about -30db down or so.? I didn't notice the large amount of IMD within 750khz range as I did with the RTL-SDR though there was a lot of noise (might have to up the averaging to see if I can filter that out).


Re: ubitx 40 Connection

 

Bob,

If hfsignals shipped that Raduino to you along with the Bitx40 main board,
it probably did get stock Bitx40 firmware installed, not uBitx.? ?I would hope.

Jerry


Re: Spurs/Harmonics fixes for v4 based on v5 board design?

 

21.5mhz is the third harmonic of 7.15mhz, we can expect some trouble there,
though -20dBc is worse than I recall seeing on measurements posted here for other uBitx's.
Moving to the axicom relays might help this considerably, or any of the other mods
proposed for fixing the ubitx board layout issues in the transmit low pass filters.
Or could just add an external low pass filter between rig and antenna
when operating on 40 meters to fix this.

I'd guess you are transmitting in CW mode, which may be driving the final too hard.
You might try reducing the drive to the final at RV1, see if that helps.
Make a mark first so you can remember how it had been set originally.

Jerry


On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 05:43 PM, Dave Space wrote:
So I remeasured my ubitx this time with my oscilloscope FFT.? Not sure how accurate those are?

It shows a lot less spurs but does still show a spur only -20db down when transmitting at 7.150MHZ somewhere around 21.5MHZ or so (I didn't zoom in too far so plus or minus ~500khz .? (I tested connected to the scope through coax -40db attenuator).

It tends to confirm of the rtl-sdr which saw one about -30db down or so.? I didn't notice the large amount of IMD within 750khz range as I did with the RTL-SDR though there was a lot of noise (might have to up the averaging to see if I can filter that out).


Re: Spurs/Harmonics fixes for v4 based on v5 board design?

 

So I remeasured my ubitx this time with my oscilloscope FFT.? Not sure how accurate those are?

It shows a lot less spurs but does still show a spur only -20db down when transmitting at 7.150MHZ somewhere around 21.5MHZ or so (I didn't zoom in too far so plus or minus ~500khz .? (I tested connected to the scope through coax -40db attenuator).

It tends to confirm of the rtl-sdr which saw one about -30db down or so.? I didn't notice the large amount of IMD within 750khz range as I did with the RTL-SDR though there was a lot of noise (might have to up the averaging to see if I can filter that out).


Re: Need Help Troubleshooting UBit-X #ubitx-help

 

The only problem with the audio amp on the v3 boards was that
they had a run of bad TDA2822 clone chips.
The TDA2822's with a "WX" marking may (or may not) fail when powered from 12v,
if you catch it before it blows you can add a voltage regulator to feed it only 6v or so and it will be fine.
As far as I know, nobody ever had other than the "WX" marked parts fail.
If a WX does fail, I'd suggest you replace it with an?NJM2073D (identical pinout and function), costs about $1 US.
Other TDA2822's from hfsignals (mostly marked "FCI") work fine with no mods required.

The v4 boards replaced the TDA2822's with an 2n3904/2n3906 push-pull pair.
But that suffers from low volume and often lots of crossover distortion.

Lots of little LM386 amplifier modules out there for $1 US if you don't want to mess with chips,
should work fine as a replacement of the final audio amp on either v3 or v4.
? ??
Wire the input to that module from VOL-M on the uBitx volume control pot and feed the LM386 12v.
You'll want the 1uF (or so) cap between LM386 pins 1 and 8 to boost the gain up from 20dB to 40dB.
Should wind up with something very much like the LM386 audio amp on the Bitx40.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 02:24 PM, Curt wrote:
Andy

See if you have sidetone when using cw. If you don't have a key, you still need that external 4.7k resistor anyway. Then put a short across the key input to listen for sidetone audio. If none, possibly the audio amp ic is defective, a common v3 malady I am told. Also you can inject audio into its input to see if this is the issue.

If this is the problem, I would be so tempted to not repair it, but use another audio amp board. V3 folk can chime in, or search here for v3 audio.

Curt


Re: ubitx 40 Connection

 

Thanks. I also wanted to make sure they sent me the right stuff.
I'll finger out the circuit and plug it in. I also want to put a little
metal heat dissipation on the 7805 tab so it will run a little cooler
in case it runs hot.

Thanks again for the corroboration,

Bob ¡ª KK5R

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On Tue, 1/22/19, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [BITX20] ubitx 40 Connecdtion
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2019, 7:08 PM

Bob,

I think you have it figured out.
The 5 pin cable goes on the end of the 16 pin
connector that's nearest the 7805 regulator.

They only build one version of
the raduino, one that plugs into a uBitx.
So
all raduinos now have the 16 right angle header pins on the
bottom.
Back when hfsignals only sold the
Bitx40, it had a 5 pin connector on the end near the 7805
regulator,
leaving 11 unused holes in that
row of 16.

Another change
is that the Nano is socketed, so easy to swap out if you
blow an IO cell.
However, if you buy a
replacement Nano, be sure to get one that does not yet have
the?
header pins soldered in place, because
they must be installed on the "wrong" side of the
board.

The only other
change to the raduino is that they all come with uBitx
firmware (I believe).
You will likely have
to flash it with Bitx40 firmware.

There have been no board layout changes to the
raduino
since it first came out in late
2016.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 03:40 PM, Bob Lunsford
wrote:

Just got the BITX40 today. I had the uBitx
before and sold it to
a man who wanted to
run digital. It was a dream to put together,
no problem whatsoever.

But the picture on the wire-up page for the
BITX40 does not
show the same thing for the
Raduino that I got today. I do not
want to
assume too much but it seems the 5-pin connector
plugs into the 16-pin connector but it's
not clear if it's to be
put in on one or
the other end. The 16-pin connector is
labeled P3. Off to one end of the board is U3
which is a
3-pin regulator, it seems. I
think I know where the 5-pin
connector goes
but want to make sure...

Bob ¡ª KK5R


Re: ubitx 40 Connecdtion

 

Bob,

I think you have it figured out.
The 5 pin cable goes on the end of the 16 pin connector that's nearest the 7805 regulator.

They only build one version of the raduino, one that plugs into a uBitx.
So all raduinos now have the 16 right angle header pins on the bottom.
Back when hfsignals only sold the Bitx40, it had a 5 pin connector on the end near the 7805 regulator,
leaving 11 unused holes in that row of 16.

Another change is that the Nano is socketed, so easy to swap out if you blow an IO cell.
However, if you buy a replacement Nano, be sure to get one that does not yet have the?
header pins soldered in place, because they must be installed on the "wrong" side of the board.

The only other change to the raduino is that they all come with uBitx firmware (I believe).
You will likely have to flash it with Bitx40 firmware.

There have been no board layout changes to the raduino
since it first came out in late 2016.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 03:40 PM, Bob Lunsford wrote:
Just got the BITX40 today. I had the uBitx before and sold it to
a man who wanted to run digital. It was a dream to put together,
no problem whatsoever.

But the picture on the wire-up page for the BITX40 does not
show the same thing for the Raduino that I got today. I do not
want to assume too much but it seems the 5-pin connector
plugs into the 16-pin connector but it's not clear if it's to be
put in on one or the other end. The 16-pin connector is
labeled P3. Off to one end of the board is U3 which is a
3-pin regulator, it seems. I think I know where the 5-pin
connector goes but want to make sure...

Bob ¡ª KK5R


Re: ubitx 40 Connecdtion

 

Just got the BITX40 today. I had the uBitx before and sold it to
a man who wanted to run digital. It was a dream to put together,
no problem whatsoever.

But the picture on the wire-up page for the BITX40 does not
show the same thing for the Raduino that I got today. I do not
want to assume too much but it seems the 5-pin connector
plugs into the 16-pin connector but it's not clear if it's to be
put in on one or the other end. The 16-pin connector is
labeled P3. Off to one end of the board is U3 which is a
3-pin regulator, it seems. I think I know where the 5-pin
connector goes but want to make sure...

Bob ¡ª KK5R

--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 1/22/19, Doug W <dougwilner@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [BITX20] ubitx 40 Connecdtion
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2019, 6:12 PM

Bob,
?BITX and BITX40 are different radios.? Which
do you have?
--
www.bitxmap.com


Re: New ubitx CW not transmitting

 

Thank you Steve.? Setting keyer to "hand key" did the trick.? Good that I did that before trying to rewrite the code.
Bob W7HNV


Re: ubitx 40 Connecdtion

 

Bob,
?BITX and BITX40 are different radios.? Which do you have?
--


ubitx 40 Connecdtion

 

Got a new uBitx 40 and have a question about connecting it up.

Connecting up the Raduino, it says to plug in the 5-pin connector.
I see the 8-pin connector so no problem. But no 5-pin connector.
Does this mean that the 5-pin connector plugs into the 16-pin
connector? And if so, does it go i any particular way?

Hope someone can provide a better picture of the connections
to the Raduino. I suspect it is a different version from what is
show on the website for connecting the Raduino.

Don't want to krispy-fritter the Raduino so I'm going slow on this.

Also, I ordered the 10-turn pot for the tuning. Had a nut but no
lock-washer. Just a heads-up.

Bob ¡ª KK5R


Re: Need Help Troubleshooting UBit-X #ubitx-help

 

Andy

See if you have sidetone when using cw. If you don't have a key, you still need that external 4.7k resistor anyway. Then put a short across the key input to listen for sidetone audio. If none, possibly the audio amp ic is defective, a common v3 malady I am told. Also you can inject audio into its input to see if this is the issue.

If this is the problem, I would be so tempted to not repair it, but use another audio amp board. V3 folk can chime in, or search here for v3 audio.

Curt