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Re: VK4PP uBitx LPF BANK add-on Board

Warren Allgyer
 

Glenn

That 32 dB number is the killer for the uBitx relay scheme. It gets at least 3 dB worse with each relay added to the chain and all four relays are in the chain.

WA8TOD


Re: ATU for mBITX

 

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 09:36 AM, ajparent1/KB1GMX wrote:
T1 its the ideal pocket sized ATU
That's a cool Auto Tuner. Did not realize Elecraft made a reasonable cost Auto ATU. Wonder how hard it would be to hack it, so I could put in in a weather proof box at my antenna and remotely control it?

Tom, wb6b


Re: Nextion 3.2 for CEC 1.097 #ubitx

 

Some work still needs to be done.

Nikos SV9CVJ


Re: Any Gerber Experts Round Here? #kicad #ubitx

 

Hi Ben,

Send me your RS274D files....? lynatmts@...

Lyn WA4GEH

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"You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat."


Re: ATU for mBITX

 

I would go for a simple manual ATU.? The configuration depending on the antenna being used.?

Some ideas at?

73, Peter VK3YE


Re: Personal Best Distance, SSB Phone #ubitx

 

But otherwise many contacts between VK and USA or Europe with 5w.? Eg

?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U1fmp_CKxE


Re: Personal Best Distance, SSB Phone #ubitx

 

About 2600km on 80m - with a half-collapsed wire antenna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZcXBVX-tJk


Re: VK4PP uBitx LPF BANK add-on Board

 

I was wondering why the Softrock TXRX had just 3 close bands (mine 10-12-15m). Now I know there were good reasons for that!


Il 31/ago/2018 12:17, "Warren Allgyer" <allgyer@...> ha scritto:

Suggestions based on experience and good practice are all good. It is my experience however that some fairly simple measurements can and need to be made in order to confirm a layout.

First, simply connect up the input and output on a completely unpopulated board and measure the attenuation. If you find less than 80 dB of attenuation at any frequency below 100 MHz, you are probably not going to like the end result. I would then add the relays and check it again. At this point your attenuation needs to be at least 70 dB. Add all remaining components except the filters themselves and check it again. Finally, one at a time, add the filters and check after each one is added.

If, at any step in the process, your input to output crosstalk gets higher than -60 dB, you are not going to be very happy with the outcome. Note all of these measurements are made with the relays deactivated so there is no actual intended path between input and output.

When working on a similar project with Tony Parks for an all-band Softrocks RXTX our first two prototype filter boards measured less than 30 dB isolation between input and output. And we thought we were following good layout and RF principles.

BTW, on the Softrocks project we finally got there........ only to realize that the radio would never make compliance goals without a similarly switched interstage filter prior to the RF drive chain. At that point we had pushed the cost of the radio beyond the target and the project was scrapped.

My bottom line reaction is: layout as best you know how but test, test, test.

WA8TOD



Re: VK4PP uBitx LPF BANK add-on Board

 

All good points Warren.?? I did some checks of isolation using a typical DIP relay, type HK19F. DPDT

I made a small jig to hold the relays and measure isolation across contacts etc.
Typically it was -34dB across open contacts,
-32dB from one set of contacts to the other. (common terminal)
-41dB from open terminals on each side
-39dB from common of one pole to open on the other pole.
-48db from common to coil.
?At 30MHz.? Better as freq drops of course.
That's without effects of a PCB and various other traces.

glenn


Re: VK4PP uBitx LPF BANK add-on Board

Warren Allgyer
 

Suggestions based on experience and good practice are all good. It is my experience however that some fairly simple measurements can and need to be made in order to confirm a layout.

First, simply connect up the input and output on a completely unpopulated board and measure the attenuation. If you find less than 80 dB of attenuation at any frequency below 100 MHz, you are probably not going to like the end result. I would then add the relays and check it again. At this point your attenuation needs to be at least 70 dB. Add all remaining components except the filters themselves and check it again. Finally, one at a time, add the filters and check after each one is added.

If, at any step in the process, your input to output crosstalk gets higher than -60 dB, you are not going to be very happy with the outcome. Note all of these measurements are made with the relays deactivated so there is no actual intended path between input and output.

When working on a similar project with Tony Parks for an all-band Softrocks RXTX our first two prototype filter boards measured less than 30 dB isolation between input and output. And we thought we were following good layout and RF principles.

BTW, on the Softrocks project we finally got there........ only to realize that the radio would never make compliance goals without a similarly switched interstage filter prior to the RF drive chain. At that point we had pushed the cost of the radio beyond the target and the project was scrapped.

My bottom line reaction is: layout as best you know how but test, test, test.

WA8TOD


Re: VK4PP uBitx LPF BANK add-on Board

Timothy Fidler
 



RE LPF Board?
above as example page.. I can't be? bothered with time of? doing a Cut and paste just to make up a picture of something you know about.. These Green headers must be available all over surely and the plugs to fit em.

If sending signals and power over from main board (using the decoding scheme) you might like to make sure you can
get 12V, zero rail and the three bit signals over on a green horizontal? 5.08 pitch header? (this assumes 5V for the decoder generated on the PCB ).. then the user just makes up a cable that picks up all the points on the main board .. direct soldered, Cable? fixed in some way to main PCB and then just plugs into daughter board.? ?Saves people mixing voltages if they pull the boards apart and then reassemble them as such headers are polarised. .......


Re: Wow... 15 volts in and a bunch out..

 

LT1252 is an transmitter preamp in Wayne Burdick N6KRs Wilderness Simple Solidstate Transceiver, (SST), monoband CW txcvr design, from circa 1999. I built one and added an IRF510 afterburner for 5 watts. Wasn't aware it is in the K2 but Wayne must have liked it.??


Re: VK4PP uBitx LPF BANK add-on Board

Gordon Gibby
 

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Two suggestions:

1. Looks pretty tight. ? You might leave a bit more room for the hobbyist to reassemble the filters

2. ?I don¡¯t see RF bypassing on the coil wiring¡ªso signal can bypass the filters on those wires. ?Consider caps maybe even series inductors - I used smd 100 micro Henry




On Aug 31, 2018, at 03:29, Timothy Fidler <engstr@...> wrote:

Nick
1. Wired OR diodes used for Relays J1A B? great idea. and I can see you seem to have allowed for relay contacts being opposite sensed. Ie J1A B set is active when Energised and Energised is out of cct.
2 . you have three signals and because of the wired or you have effectively four states without using a decoder. So how is the R5 to be energised. ?? Is it there for case of special software mod plus I2C or ....?

3. You need to define the relay functions.? From a Sota point of view it makes sense that J1AB set is a 20/30m Filter. Ie NO relay energised when working 20m.
then J2 becomes 80 m. then J3 40m? and J4 becomes 15/17 and J5 becomes Ten m after some magic.
4. You have allowed? spike suppression diodes for all relays except first pair. Forgotten or? there is a reason. ??
5. Kees Talen is also talking of a Five relay board design.? With Decoding to be done Off board somehow. Perhaps you need to check up his thoughts.
6. Given? 5.? I would suggest that you allow sufficient pads for a? 74HCT42 decoder and? a 78L05 to power it.? These pads could be on basis of wired chip mounted as SM (legs become feet at 2mm up from tips) so the cost of the holes is not there.? You will also need 4 off BS250 P Mosfets? (simplest solution and they are cheap) to activate the last four relays sets.? The points where the Wire goes off to the Wired OR should be? a through hole rondel.? All this could be squeezed in up T LHS of board as presented without much increase in board space.

The final wiring could be done with? Cat E wiring cores stripped out for those who wanted to go this way . I would suggest the following mapping? 000 as input to decoder? means nothing.? Same for 001.? 010 activates relay set 2 and also energises J1AB via wired OR? .? ...etc all the way to 101. If you use PNP transistors, you will be up for one extra current control resistor per bit.? BS250s are logic level Mosfets? RDS on approx 14R.? have? them Rockby in Australia list them but have to order them in.?

The mappings and Relay usage have to be defined up front or? the software will be a schmozzle.?

Is the current voltage going to K1 coil 12V .. the schematic calls it Tx voltage. It appears likely to be 12VDC but without details of the guts of the Raduino I cannot be sure.



Re: VK4PP uBitx LPF BANK add-on Board

Timothy Fidler
 

Nick
1. Wired OR diodes used for Relays J1A B? great idea. and I can see you seem to have allowed for relay contacts being opposite sensed. Ie J1A B set is active when Energised and Energised is out of cct.
2 . you have three signals and because of the wired or you have effectively four states without using a decoder. So how is the R5 to be energised. ?? Is it there for case of special software mod plus I2C or ....?

3. You need to define the relay functions.? From a Sota point of view it makes sense that J1AB set is a 20/30m Filter. Ie NO relay energised when working 20m.
then J2 becomes 80 m. then J3 40m? and J4 becomes 15/17 and J5 becomes Ten m after some magic.
4. You have allowed? spike suppression diodes for all relays except first pair. Forgotten or? there is a reason. ??
5. Kees Talen is also talking of a Five relay board design.? With Decoding to be done Off board somehow. Perhaps you need to check up his thoughts.
6. Given? 5.? I would suggest that you allow sufficient pads for a? 74HCT42 decoder and? a 78L05 to power it.? These pads could be on basis of wired chip mounted as SM (legs become feet at 2mm up from tips) so the cost of the holes is not there.? You will also need 4 off BS250 P Mosfets? (simplest solution and they are cheap) to activate the last four relays sets.? The points where the Wire goes off to the Wired OR should be? a through hole rondel.? All this could be squeezed in up T LHS of board as presented without much increase in board space.

The final wiring could be done with? Cat E wiring cores stripped out for those who wanted to go this way . I would suggest the following mapping? 000 as input to decoder? means nothing.? Same for 001.? 010 activates relay set 2 and also energises J1AB via wired OR? .? ...etc all the way to 101. If you use PNP transistors, you will be up for one extra current control resistor per bit.? BS250s are logic level Mosfets? RDS on approx 14R.? Futurlec.com have? them Rockby in Australia list them but have to order them in.?

The mappings and Relay usage have to be defined up front or? the software will be a schmozzle.?

Is the current voltage going to K1 coil 12V .. the schematic calls it Tx voltage. It appears likely to be 12VDC but without details of the guts of the Raduino I cannot be sure.



Re: calibration question #ubitx-help

 

Just to exclude you weren't listening the WWV. You also can use the other references at 5 and 15Mhz. Usually when I calibrate something as a double check I use these references too and a shortwave broadcast using ssb


Il 31/ago/2018 00:24, "Mike KK7ER" <groupio@...> ha scritto:
Thanks, Iz Oos!? Just to be sure I'm not missing something subtle, why not just use WWV?? It is AM, isn't it?? And I know for sure that it is on 10.000000 MHz which is more than I can say for AM shortwave broadcasts chosen at random.

--Mike


Re: CW PTT attack time to slow #ubitx

Joop Stakenborg
 

ajparent1/KB1GMX schreef op 2018-08-30 20:55:
Another user installed the KD8CEC software and found it to be an
improvement.
Changing the pull up will not help the issue. The factory code is
slow in
recognizing keying.
Okay!
Yes, I bet it takes a while for the code to recognize if we have a keyer input and then switch from USB to CW... Maybe I should hack the code a bit since I want to stick to the stock firmware for a while.

Another approach I see is changing the hardware input. I will investigate both and get back on this topic.

Allison
Regards,
Joop PG4I


Re: CW PTT attack time to slow #ubitx

Joop Stakenborg
 

Ben Holmes schreef op 2018-08-30 20:17:
This might be a possible fix:

_._,_._,_

Thanks Ben,

will have a look.

Regards,
Joop PG4I


Re: UBITX V3 TX GAIN VARIATIONS

 

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All of my modelling says it should.? There have been many posts on this subject months ago¡­? about 400pf is a good start.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kees T
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 4:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] UBITX V3 TX GAIN VARIATIONS

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Allison,

All of the WA2EBY derived dual MOSFET Amp designs I've seen (IRF510, RD16HHF1, RD15HHF1) have a "compensation capacitor" across the output transformer primary.? Used to balance the 3-30MHz range gain. I used one on my 20W Amp kit (and the feedback loop if needed).

The uBITX PA does not have such a capacitor on the schematic .....why ?

73 Kees K5BCQ


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Re: VK4PP uBitx LPF BANK add-on Board

 

Probably just the boards, You need to re-use the LPF from the existing board.
Option to add a Firth filter is you want.

Relays are Omron g6s-2 12v

73 Nick VK4PP


Re: VK4PP uBitx LPF BANK add-on Board

 

Dear OM,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Will you make it available as a kit ? DIY or Assembled ?
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