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HI All,
Getting ready to convert over to using the si5351 for the BFO. I'd like to use rg-174 for both the VFO and BFO lines. The Si5351 has three outputs. The first is already routed on the PCB to the SIP header making it inconvienent to solder coax to it. Is there any reason that I can't use the two other Si5351 outputs that aren't used? That would be easy to solder to. And if so do I change the sketch like: #define VFO_A 0 #define VFO_B 1 to #define VFO_A 1 #define VFO_B 2 I've never done Arduino before, but that looks like it to me. Anything else? Jonathan - KK6RPX |
The Users User Manual
The wire up instructions are pretty good down to a certain point.? When you get to the section of Alignment of the BITX40. Notice #5 is blank. Why it is blank is unknown. But this is where you can adjust R136 (a flat silver trimmer you can adjust with a small blade screwdriver, on the same edge of the board at the PA) to obtain the slightly over 1 amp mentioned in step #6.? Calibrating the Raduino frequency offset will also require you to download a fixed copy of someone's sketch version found in the files section on the left side if this page. Like mine for example. which has other fixes and tweaks to how it tunes and displays the frequency. Here is a link-?/g/BITX20/files/John_s_Raduino_code_fixed2.ino?Some others may have posted one too with what was important for them to share. Just try to get the one you like from a reliable source. Getting all the libraries in your Arduino IDE for these sketches is likely to give you some compiling errors at first. After that the IDE gives you clues as what to fix. This part could be a whole other section for the newcomer without a working code at the beginning of the build, or when it get's erased like mine did from a shorted wire. Calibration will get you transmitting on the same frequency as the signal you are hearing. A higher or lower pitched voice means you are not on the same freq. Once you put it in calibration mode you will need to tune around for that signal you were listening to, and adjust the freq until it sounds normal to you. Then turn off the switch, or disconnect the RED wire. Wait for it to indicate SAVED. Then you can reboot it. You can do it again if other frequencies have signals that don't sound like the one you were using to set your calibration. Sometimes others are deliberately not on a 5khz spacing and will sound strange to you if you are expecting them to be on a set freq. Some folks have had trouble with wiring tuning or volume pots. The flat diagram near the top of the wire up page-http://www.hfsigs.com/bitx40v3_wireup.html -shows the parts like they are laid out on the table with the shafts pointing up. With photos like this one-http://www.hfsigs.com/raduino_tuning_pot.jpg - Just hold the pot with the pins facing you, and the shaft facing down. Then follow with Green, Violet, Yellow.And the ceramic cap connects to the same pin as Violet, and Yellow. The two on the right. Stopping at the 8 pin connector when just only three wires are used slipped past me. I missed the part going to the 5 pin connector, and kept going with wires from the 8 pin set. Fortunately I double checked my work before giving it juice.? These are my first thoughts on getting people past the first hiccups that seem common in the beginning. As well as that missing #5 instruction that keeps people wondering why they are not getting the expected readings on their meters.? Are there any more important things to add, or correct? Next time I'll post about the stereo audio jacks wire up. |
Re: ubitx - stop press
Off topic, just feeling my way through on this specan stuff. ? The AD8310 is spec'd for a maximum input of +/- 2 volts pk-to-pk, or 4 dBV. ?So I'd want at least enough gain after my level 7 mixer to be able to drive the AD8310 to that maximum without having appreciable distortion crop up in the mixer. ? That should give the instrument the 95dB dynamic range available from the AD8310. More gain than that is a good thing, allows us to see lower level signals. ?Can always use a step attenuator when looking at large signals. ?But at some point the front end is generating enough noise that more gain does not buy anything. Correct me if I've missed something here. On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 06:50 am, Jerry Gaffke wrote: really have to build a basic spectrum analyzer. ? Perhaps just an Si5351 breakout board, a 50mhz lowpass filter, a level 7 mixer, a?PX1002 86.85mhz SAW filter, an MMIC gain stage, and an AD8310 into a Nano's ADC. ? ?Or do I need more gain stages for this to be useful? ? |
Re: Adding speech compression.
Should work as expected if you increase the gain of the microphone amp: ?/g/BITX20/message/24437 Assume you raise the signal coming out of the microphone amp by 3dB (double the power). ?Assume the diodes conduct pretty severely on any voice peaks, and reduce them by a factor of 2, so your peak power into the crystal filter is back down to where you started out. ?But the quieter parts of your voice (for those of us that have any) have not been clipped back, and remain at twice the power. ? On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:14 am, John Smith wrote:
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Re: Adding speech compression.
I listened to it. Everything I have read and heard, all are the same. It's great to help being heard through QRN or QRM, There are different ways to do it like audio clipping or RF clipping. And lots of caution about using it poorly, or it amplifies all room noise, or so and so forth. Bottom line- If you got it, try it. If it helps, great. Otherwise, leave it alone. I showed the schematic from Allard to someone, and he said the two diodes are shorting the AC signal to ground, and would result in a lower quieter signal. It's still a mystery to me how that would work. I am going to try out that circuit I posted a link to when I get the transistor it uses. Or maybe sub the part.? |
Re: ubitx - stop press
Ash,
I'm still gathering parts for my first build of your uBitX (and your Specan!) and have not even started to draw the boards, so adding filters and tweaking the code for switching bands appears trivial. " . . . replaced the two filter harmonic filters with four filters . . . it works." You saved us some grief and perhaps FCC fines by telling us about your tests. We grumble, we complain, and we argue, but I believe most of us are having fun and accidentally learning some good stuff along the way. Other than encouraging fellow hams to purchase from HFSigs, let us know how we can help you. 73 de w9ctw |
Re: ubitx - stop press
i have measurer the input impedance of these stages to be appox 50 ohms when terminated in the 220 resistor in the output. i made these measurements with a homemade return loss bridge and the sweeperino.? the original wes/kopski amps uses separate resistors for bias and feeback, i used just one. if you want to experiment with different feedback resistors while keeping the bias the same, you could use the original block. the noise figure should be 14 db. i say that because i havent measured it. i do not have calibrated noise source. this figure is based on the accumulated (measured) losses of the lpf, first mixer and the first if amps figure of 6 db. connecting the antenna brings up the noise on all bands at my qth. i must, though admit that i havent had any contacts in 28 mhz at all. - f On 8 Apr 2017 7:52 p.m., <selfy.dtp@...> wrote:
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Re: ubitx - stop press
with the 4 filters you get 3.5, 5, 7,10,14,18,21,24.9 and 29 mhz - f On 8 Apr 2017 5:05 p.m., "philip yates" <phil@...> wrote:
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Re: uBitx Prototype (PCB)
Jack Purdum
The cost of what I call Beta Boards is pretty high, as Jerry points out. However, once the design is set, the costs fall dramatically. I ordered 200 small boards (2"x3") at about $1 each for a recent project. These were similar to the quality seen in the Forty-9er assembly manual (www.farrukhzia.com/k2zia). I would think that boards made for SMD's would cost less, but I don't know as I have not purchased any. Jack, W8TEE From: Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBitx Prototype (PCB) OSHpark is the best I've seen on small runs: ? For $5 per square inch, you get three double sided boards with soldermask and silk at 6 mil design rules. ?The BItx40 at 4.5x5 inches would cost $5 * 4.5*5 = $112.50, or $37.5 per board. ?But the bidi amps are one square inch each, so could get three of them for a total of $5. Could go to 0805 or 0603 or 0402 parts to drastically reduce the size of the Bitx40 (or uBitx). ?Take a look at 0201's if you are especially cheap and masochistic, but then you'll want access to a good binocular microscope. On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 06:56 am, Jack Purdum wrote:
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Re: uBitx Prototype (PCB)
OSHpark is the best I've seen on small runs: ? For $5 per square inch, you get three double sided boards with soldermask and silk at 6 mil design rules. ?The BItx40 at 4.5x5 inches would cost $5 * 4.5*5 = $112.50, or $37.5 per board. ?But the bidi amps are one square inch each, so could get three of them for a total of $5. Could go to 0805 or 0603 or 0402 parts to drastically reduce the size of the Bitx40 (or uBitx). ?Take a look at 0201's if you are especially cheap and masochistic, but then you'll want access to a good binocular microscope. On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 06:56 am, Jack Purdum wrote:
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Re: ubitx - stop press
Have you tried using the Mitsubishi RD16HHF1? ? Thanks Burton Ison W5IAC On Friday, April 7, 2017 11:59 PM, Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote: peeps,
i did some more testing of the ubitx with the homebrew specan (as opposed to the rigol), i have some good news, bad news and good news. 1. good news : the homebrew specan does a better job than the rigol. 2. bad news : the specan revealed that the even order transmit harmonics will go down below -40dbc only if we carefullly balance the bias current between the IRF510s. it is very touchy. i can't see how anyone can get it right without a spectrum analyzer 4. good news : i have replaced the two filter harmonic filters ?with four filters. that also means, two more relays. it is more complicated, i know. but at least, it works.? for those who want fewer bands (choose between 3.5 mhz and 7 mhz for the lower filter and 14 mhz and 28 mhz for the upper band), or they are alright to use external tx filters, the current design will do. for those who want all in one, wait a few days for me to update the ubitx page. - f |
Re: ubitx - stop press
Farhan, Let me first thank you for the projects and experience?you share with us. I am interested to find out how uBITX behaves in terms of selectivity and sensitivity? I also support the idea, that if you want to cover all HF band a set of (at least) four LPF for the PA is a must. Additionally, looking at the uBITX schematic, I couldn't?help but notice the bidirectional amps slightly differ form the original idea of W7ZOI and K3NHI. You used different?biasing approach, but it appears the input impedance is not 50 ohms. My LTSpice simulations?show 90 ohms at 10MHz and 50 ohms at 45MHz. And the "gain" transistor is biased at 15mA. Would you, please, share with us what your idea was for doing these mods. 73 de LZ1NEF |
Re: uBitx Prototype (PCB)
Jack Purdum
I agree that a Muppet board would be a great way to go, since it moves away from drilling holes. The only way I've had any success with thru-holes was when a friend availed his drill press for me to use. Plus, I went through drill bits like crazy...probably not the best bits and I seem to lack the patience for slowly drilling holes. Also, depending on how the board is laid out, you could use SMD's or standard components. Finally, you could have a thru-hole board manufactured. I've done this with the Forty-9er and antenna analyzer project and if you have enough boards done, the cost isn't that bad. Jack, W8TEE From: John Backo via Groups.Io <iam74@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBitx Prototype (PCB) Nice work, Jc. I can see this as being easily made with automated equipment, but... that's a lot of holes to drill at home. And all of them have to be precise. Is it possible that a muppet style of board would work? I wonder since there are so many traces on the bottom of the board... Maybe a more modular set of muppet boards? Any idea of the production cost of this board? john AD5YE |
Re: ubitx - stop press
Building for myself, I'd try leaving the extra filters out. ?Use an EFHW wire with a tuned impedance matching circuit. ?Though if mass produced, it really needs an output filter at the amp. ?Perhaps some holes in the board for either one band's worth of L"s and C's, ?or put socket pins into those holes and use plug-in filter boards. ?Can short across those holes with wires and use an external board with relays for a half dozen bands worth of filters, sell that as an option. ?Not too surprising, doubt anybody in the last 70 years has sold something that relies on such balance in a push-pull amp.? I really have to build a basic spectrum analyzer. ? Perhaps just an Si5351 breakout board, a 50mhz lowpass filter, a level 7 mixer, a?PX1002 86.85mhz SAW filter, an MMIC gain stage, and an AD8310 into a Nano's ADC. ? ?Or do I need more gain stages for this to be useful? ?The PJRC 3.2 ARM has a 16 bit SAR ADC, maybe add a second mixer stage to create audio in the 20 to 50 khz range and analyze that in the ARM using DSP techniques. Jerry, KE7ER On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 09:59 pm, Ashhar Farhan wrote:
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Re: Adding speech compression.
Speech Equalization, Compression and Processing March 30, 2017 On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:26 PM, John VA7JBE via Groups.Io <va7jbe@...> wrote:
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Re: ubitx - stop press
Rahul Srivastava
Hi! Farhan.. I guess your results hold true for other 510 PP amps as well when used with other exciters as well...!!! Rahul VU3WJM ? On Saturday, 8 April 2017 10:29 AM, Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote: peeps,
i did some more testing of the ubitx with the homebrew specan (as opposed to the rigol), i have some good news, bad news and good news. 1. good news : the homebrew specan does a better job than the rigol. 2. bad news : the specan revealed that the even order transmit harmonics will go down below -40dbc only if we carefullly balance the bias current between the IRF510s. it is very touchy. i can't see how anyone can get it right without a spectrum analyzer 4. good news : i have replaced the two filter harmonic filters ?with four filters. that also means, two more relays. it is more complicated, i know. but at least, it works.? for those who want fewer bands (choose between 3.5 mhz and 7 mhz for the lower filter and 14 mhz and 28 mhz for the upper band), or they are alright to use external tx filters, the current design will do. for those who want all in one, wait a few days for me to update the ubitx page. - f |