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Re: Possible PA low output problem.

 

Hi Bjorn!

You should no go any lower than 12V for power.

Al less than 12V the PA final (IRF510) will not work well.

At that voltage you can expect peaks of 1.5A when transmitting and an average 0,18A when receiving at medium volume in a speaker.

I hope this answers your question,
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Ion

VA3NOI


Re: Tips n Mods update

G4NQX
 

Doh !!? I used wrong AGC drawing.? Reposted.


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Rob G4NQX


Tips n Mods update

G4NQX
 

AGC added plus it's better formatted.
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Rob G4NQX


Re: AGC Schematic update

 

Hi Joel,

I have drawn Farhan's schematic sketch but he is the one that designed the circuit. I cannoyt comment but I have seen that DuWayne, KV4QB, has answered to your question.

Regarding the relay it is there but please see the updated OK schematic as the connections are right there as the insertion is around the Volume1 potentiometer. Sorry for the eventual confusion.

73

Gian, I7SWX


PA final IRF510 REMINDER !!

G4NQX
 

Just to remind everyone and anyone with a new kit.

The tab on the IRF510 is "hot" dc wise and should be isolated from ground. i.e. DO NOT short or bolt directly to a grounded case, heatsink, whatever !
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Rob G4NQX


BitX40 Request for voltage table

G4NQX
 

Hi all,

To add to the Tips n Mods pages I would like a table of voltages at various points in receive and transmit to be used as a guideline for people who are fault finding.

Is anyone who has a built working example willing to do such readings for me ?

You could contact me off group at tasmod at gmail dot com to discuss the readings required.

Why not mine ? Well mine is a converted Hendricks BitX20a much modified to work on 40m.
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Rob G4NQX


Re: AGC Schematic update -OK

 

Hi Allard,

0.1 is intended as 0.1uF.? In Italy we usually write 0.1 without u or uF.

73

Gian, I7SWX
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Re: Possible PA low output problem.

bjorn
 

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Hi John,

Did you measure the input power consumption for your different input voltages?

I am considering to deploy a node in a context where input power is scarce and am looking for a power-lean design.

Thanks

Bjorn

On 2017-02-06 00:54, John Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

I am ready to finish this thread. I plugged in the 20V adapter into the final and got 18 watts on the mfj-9213 qrp meter. ?I only took me three weeks to get to the starting point. The first hack will be "more punchy audio", and "auto gain control", then "CW" while working on the enclosure. I found a full sized shiny bare metal lunch box like the ones we had in the eighties.?

Or is the first Bitx 40 hack, getting it to work first?

Fortunately those hacks have been well documented. I won't have so many questions or delays anymore. Until I drop a metal screwdriver on the top of that SMD board.

Thanks everyone. Read ya later.



Re: AGC Schematic update -OK

 

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:34 pm, Todd K7TFC wrote:
By the way, what is the function of the diode in the gate circuit of the 2N7000?

?Never mind. I get it now.

73,

K7TFC


Re: Possible PA low output problem.

 

OK, lets try for some closure. When my raduino crapped out on me while trying the wrong wire to calibrate it. I picked it up to see if I had the right wire and a blip occurred with the display, and a pop in the speaker. After rebooting there was no display and just blinking on the nano and a tick in the speaker. When looking around I saw a bare black wire tip from the 8 pin connector near the heatsink facing me. The black wire doesn't explain the results, and the solution. But the PA must have been shorted and damaged, but not destroyed. I noticed the heatsink not getting as warm as before. Changing out the PA seems to have fixed that problem a bit. One thing I was doing wrong was not using a dummy load on the watt meter. Instead I was using a unmatched G5RV jr. connected to the meter. And connected to the bitx directly. What do smart radios do when you transmit into an unmatched or unbalanced antenna? They hold back full power. So, my testing is still not ideal, but better. I am not going to buy a faster multimeter just for this. So far this is the first time it has been inadequate for my needs. So, that's three times the final had to be replaced with my radios. The first one I over powered it with 13V, the second had the same type and It was just a bad sounding signal that got me an official observer post card. Replacing cleared it right up and it didn't get too hot anymore. This time with the bitx, the new PA sounds better and warms the heat sink, but not the dummy load. I would expect it too. It really gets very hot when I use it on my 6 and 7 watt cw transceivers. It is a 51ohm 5 watt resistor I put into a bnc connector with two wire terminals on one end. Like a dc power socket or plug. But different modes have different duty cycles. I imagine If it had cw, reading the power meter would be rather impressive.I can talk to most of the country with 20 watts. So to summarize, Don't think your raduino is dead yet. And keep the zombie raduino away from your heatsink.

So yea, change your parts when they are suspect. Cheap kits do have em all the time.

Now let the hacking begin!


Re: AGC Schematic update -OK

 

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 02:45 pm, Allard PE1NWL wrote:
There are two capacitors labeled "0.1". Just to be sure, does this mean 0.1 uF or 0.1 nF?

I think the convention is that all capacitor values are in ?F (that's microfarad in case the "mu" character doesn't show up on your screen) unless otherwise indicated.

I'm going to try this AGC in my BitX40. By the way, what is the function of the diode in the gate circuit of the 2N7000?

73,

Todd K7TFC


Re: AGC Schematic update -OK

 

0.1 uf, they are.

- f

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:15 AM, Allard PE1NWL <pe1nwl@...> wrote:
Hi Gian,

thanks for the schematic.
There are two capacitors labeled "0.1".
Just to be sure, does this mean 0.1 uF or 0.1 nF?

73, Allard





Re: Possible PA low output problem.

 

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If thinking about getting a scope, you could do far worse than investing a little time to read up on this blog

I bought a Tekway DST1102B back in 2011 and followed the instructions on the blog to get from 100 MHz to 200 MHz just by software change. I felt very pleased with myself until I later discovered that I could have achieved very similar results? by performing the software conversion on the still cheaper 60 MHz version.

Still, 7 years on, I'm happy with my scope.

Bill, VK7MX


On 6/02/2017 6:44 AM, John Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

I am going to keep working at it until I am sure it is working as good as it can. And do as many hacks as the hardware will stand. And learn all about it in the process. Actually work for a contact, and achieve it. This is what I like most about amateur radio. When I bought a MFJ-9240 cw transceiver I got board with it because there is no work involved with a boxed radio. I know I am getting behind with operating skills. But if I can bring a dead boxed radio radio back to life, I'll have a nice zombie station. And still have the money to spend on something that can't be made, or repaired. And I got the patience to do it.

Now, how helpful would an oscilloscope be at this point with the Bitx 40? I haven't needed it yet. I have only been into electronics 2+ years, and amateur radio 1+ year. And I will be checking into those easy to make tools Jerry has been talking about.

For those who wonder about the power supply. Power is what I started with, and I have plenty of beefy options, linear and switching regulators, and fuses. What I am using now is from a lcd monitor. A switching power adapter at 12.6V 4A that doesn't dip under load. And no line noise at these frequencies.?

Yea, I can't recommend this product for any other beginner. Just hams who already have working radios and like to tinker.



Re: Source for caps

 

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The 5.5nF and 3.3nF are standard values, .006 uF or 6nF and .003 or 3 nF are not standard valuesand would therefore be very hard to find, assuming some manufacurer actual makes them in those values.

Bill, VK7MX


On 6/02/2017 8:19 AM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io wrote:

Tayda Electronics has them, but the .006uF is listed as 5.5nF ($0.03) and the .003 is 3.3nF ($0.03). The .01uF is $0.01, or 100 for $0.90. I like them and given their shipping speed, I think they have a US warehouse. While you're at it, you should buy some .1uF as you'll likely use them later on anyway and the postage doesn't vary much on stuff like this.

eBay also has some good capacitor assortments. I bought several from a supplier in GA as they label each bag. Keep in mind that NPO type caps can help in some circuits where stability is important (e.g., VFO).

Jack, W8TEE



From: Ralph King <k1kob@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 4:04 PM
Subject: [BITX20] Source for caps

I want to build the CW on BITX board from VA3IUL.? I need a source for these caps.
QTY?? ITEM
1??????? 0.01uF
1?????? ?0.006uF
2?????? ?0.003uF

Tks in advance...?? Ralph? K!KOB




Re: Printer-friendly wiring and set-up diagrams/instructions

 

Thanks for the info! Slowly getting my Bitx40 together. Hopefully in a couple weekends I will have it operational!

Rich
KC8MWG


On Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:43 PM, K-Squared <kkanalz@...> wrote:


Thanks, Randy, for finally getting me pointed toward a centralized source of info on the BITX40.? I'm new to this group, and enjoying all the various posts about problems and solutions, but didn't know where to find the golden goose of documentation.

Thanks to you, I'm now a lot more enlightened about the BITXxx series!

Karl - W8TIF
K2A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk, I have a work station.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Randy Hall <listk7age@...> wrote:
Hi

You can download the schematics as .png docs from here -



Randy, K7AGE

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, D. Daniel McGlothin <kb3mun@...> wrote:

> Thanks, that helped! I never use Chrome due to privacy issues...
>> If you use chrome, you can print directly into a pdf...

I've used the free CutePDF Writer ( ) as a 'print to PDF' solution for a number of years.? It lets any application print to PDF.? Other such tools are also available; ask you favorite search engine.

73 de Daniel KB3MUN



Re: Printer-friendly wiring and set-up diagrams/instructions

K-Squared
 

Thanks, Randy, for finally getting me pointed toward a centralized source of info on the BITX40.? I'm new to this group, and enjoying all the various posts about problems and solutions, but didn't know where to find the golden goose of documentation.

Thanks to you, I'm now a lot more enlightened about the BITXxx series!

Karl - W8TIF

K2

A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk, I have a work station.


On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Randy Hall <listk7age@...> wrote:
Hi

You can download the schematics as .png docs from here -



Randy, K7AGE

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, D. Daniel McGlothin <kb3mun@...> wrote:

> Thanks, that helped! I never use Chrome due to privacy issues...
>> If you use chrome, you can print directly into a pdf...

I've used the free CutePDF Writer ( ) as a 'print to PDF' solution for a number of years.? It lets any application print to PDF.? Other such tools are also available; ask you favorite search engine.

73 de Daniel KB3MUN


Re: AGC Schematic update

 

I built the AGC board a while ago and it worked quite well, except the audio level was a little low. I had previously removed the cap from pins 1 to 8 on the LM386. I ended up putting a 10uF between 1 and 8 to get the audio up where it had been. I made a small circuit board for the build. It is laid out so you could mostly SMD components or leaded in the 'Muppet' style. I have the Eagle files and a PDF that can be used to make your own using toner transfer. They are available at



The blog entry with this and a couple other changes I made at



DuWayne KV4QB



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DuWayne? KV4QB


Re: Printer-friendly wiring and set-up diagrams/instructions?

 

Hi

You can download the schematics as .png docs from here -



Randy, K7AGE

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 3:42 PM, D. Daniel McGlothin <kb3mun@...> wrote:

> Thanks, that helped! I never use Chrome due to privacy issues...
>> If you use chrome, you can print directly into a pdf...

I've used the free CutePDF Writer ( ) as a 'print to PDF' solution for a number of years.? It lets any application print to PDF.? Other such tools are also available; ask you favorite search engine.

73 de Daniel KB3MUN






Re: Possible PA low output problem.

M Garza
 

John,
Ultimately, what was the issue with the low output?? Bad IRF510?? It would be nice to have the solution at the end of this thread.

Thanks,

Marco - KG5PRT?

On Feb 5, 2017 5:54 PM, "John Smith via Groups.Io" <johnlinux77=[email protected]> wrote:

I am ready to finish this thread. I plugged in the 20V adapter into the final and got 18 watts on the mfj-9213 qrp meter.? I only took me three weeks to get to the starting point. The first hack will be "more punchy audio", and "auto gain control", then "CW" while working on the enclosure. I found a full sized shiny bare metal lunch box like the ones we had in the eighties.?

Or is the first Bitx 40 hack, getting it to work first?

Fortunately those hacks have been well documented. I won't have so many questions or delays anymore. Until I drop a metal screwdriver on the top of that SMD board.

Thanks everyone. Read ya later.


Re: Possible PA low output problem.

 

I am ready to finish this thread. I plugged in the 20V adapter into the final and got 18 watts on the mfj-9213 qrp meter. ?I only took me three weeks to get to the starting point. The first hack will be "more punchy audio", and "auto gain control", then "CW" while working on the enclosure. I found a full sized shiny bare metal lunch box like the ones we had in the eighties.?

Or is the first Bitx 40 hack, getting it to work first?

Fortunately those hacks have been well documented. I won't have so many questions or delays anymore. Until I drop a metal screwdriver on the top of that SMD board.

Thanks everyone. Read ya later.