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Re: Possible PA low output problem.
Jack Purdum
I've had good luck with my Hantek scope. Mine's a 200MHz version, but they have a 100MHz for about $275.? If you don't want to spring for the cost of one, check club members as most would be happy to help you. If that fails, check your high school physics teacher, or community college physics or EE department. If you explain what you want to do, I'll bet they would be more than willing to let you into their lab. Jack, W8TEE From: Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [BITX20] Possible PA low output problem. A scope could be a good investment if you are really serious about getting into electronics. ?The moderately good DS1102E is $360 on Amazon, though could go quite a bit cheaper if you go to something tethered to a desktop computer for display and control. ?Perhaps folks here have recommendations. ?I'd probably wait till I'm sure my interest holds before springing for one. ? Maybe you can talk some club member to show up at a meeting with their scope, you bring the Bitx40 with dummy load and schematic for a quick intro to what a scope can show you. ?But if we can someday get a few simple tools and procedures together, a scope should not normally be necessary for this sort of thing. ? On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:44 am, John Smith wrote: Now, how helpful would an oscilloscope be at this point with the Bitx 40? I haven't needed it yet. I have only been into electronics 2+ years, and amateur radio 1+ year. And I will be checking into those easy to make tools Jerry has been talking about. ?
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Re: AGC Schematic update
Do you still have relay K2 in there to quiet the audio when transmitting? ?If so, perhaps that should be shown. On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 12:27 pm, Giancarlo wrote:
I have updated the AGC schematic t ? |
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Re: Possible PA low output problem.
A scope could be a good investment if you are really serious about getting into electronics. ?The moderately good DS1102E is $360 on Amazon, though could go quite a bit cheaper if you go to something tethered to a desktop computer for display and control. ?Perhaps folks here have recommendations. ?I'd probably wait till I'm sure my interest holds before springing for one. ? Maybe you can talk some club member to show up at a meeting with their scope, you bring the Bitx40 with dummy load and schematic for a quick intro to what a scope can show you. ?But if we can someday get a few simple tools and procedures together, a scope should not normally be necessary for this sort of thing. ? On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:44 am, John Smith wrote: Now, how helpful would an oscilloscope be at this point with the Bitx 40? I haven't needed it yet. I have only been into electronics 2+ years, and amateur radio 1+ year. And I will be checking into those easy to make tools Jerry has been talking about. ? |
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Re: Possible PA low output problem.
N7PXY
As mentioned before I also do not know of nor have I ever heard of a TXRX that had built in diagnostic tools such as you suggest. I suspect it is not a matter of cost so much as real estate and coding and accessories to connect to the 'tools'; probes, jumpers, etc. This in turn greatly complicates the 'boxing' of the radio adding the cost of connectors and jacke etc.? Anyone who is at all serious about experimenting with the BITXxx or other projects has or will need to start getting the basic instruments to look at circuits independently of and in addition to the BITX. Those not interested in more than operating the radio will not be bothered with more than needing a soldering iron and wire cutters/strippers. Adding the circuits you suggest to the main board serves only to complicate further the traces and layout for the beginner. My opinion for what its worth. PJH, N7PXY |
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Re: Possible PA low output problem.
I am going to keep working at it until I am sure it is working as good as it can. And do as many hacks as the hardware will stand. And learn all about it in the process. Actually work for a contact, and achieve it. This is what I like most about amateur radio. When I bought a MFJ-9240 cw transceiver I got board with it because there is no work involved with a boxed radio. I know I am getting behind with operating skills. But if I can bring a dead boxed radio radio back to life, I'll have a nice zombie station. And still have the money to spend on something that can't be made, or repaired. And I got the patience to do it. Now, how helpful would an oscilloscope be at this point with the Bitx 40? I haven't needed it yet. I have only been into electronics 2+ years, and amateur radio 1+ year. And I will be checking into those easy to make tools Jerry has been talking about. For those who wonder about the power supply. Power is what I started with, and I have plenty of beefy options, linear and switching regulators, and fuses. What I am using now is from a lcd monitor. A switching power adapter at 12.6V 4A that doesn't dip under load. And no line noise at these frequencies.? Yea, I can't recommend this product for any other beginner. Just hams who already have working radios and like to tinker. |
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If Raduino programming cable won't seat properly
When I tried plugging a mini-USB programming cable into my new Raduino board, the plug would only go part way in. On inspection of the Raduino socket, I saw that there are two small strips of metal on the connector that ride along the top of the plug when it is inserted. On my unit, one of them had been caught by the edge of the mini-USB plug and was bent down inside the socket; this was preventing it from seating properly. After using a sewing needle point to pry the metal clip up, the plug now seats fully with a proper click. By the way I am using the short blue USB programming cable that came with one of the Arduino Nano clones from China, fits perfectly. 73, AL |
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Re: AGC working ...
Noel Thanks Randy On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:35 PM, noel pakihi <tupakihi@...> wrote:
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Re: lcd 3.5 display help sought
Jack Purdum
No, I think anything that helps anyone read code is a good thing. To anyone who thinks otherwise, skip the rest of this post... When I had my software company, I strictly enforced a "function header rule" that had to be of the form: / ? ?Purpose: This function (whatever it does) ? ?Parameter list: ? ? ? int x ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?the x coordinate for the display ? ? ? int y ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?y ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?" ? ?Return value: ? ? ? int flag ? ? ? ? ? ? ?1 on success, 0 on fail ? ?CAUTION: (used to inform of global data or coupling action with other function(s) / int MyDisplay(int x, int y) { ? ?// The rest of the function By using this format, I wrote a filter that would read all of the project's?source code files and, upon seeing "/" it knew a function header was coming up and the closing "/" marked the end of the header and the next line would contain the function signature. The filter used the FILE macro to define the name of the source file and LINE gave me the line number. I then sorted on function name and wrote the header, signature, file name, and line number to an ASCII file. Voila: Documentation for all functions used in the project.? Coding consistency makes it easier for a team to debug and maintain code. Any programmer who didn't do this had to buy beer and pizza for everyone on Friday for lunch. (The company was small.) It didn't take long for everyone to adopt the same style convention. Jack, W8TEE From: G4NQX <tasmod@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [BITX20] lcd 3.5 display help sought You probably won't like this but that code just isn't worth it, it's all about display.? You would be better deciding what you want and write your own or hack the display code about.??? Heck, use the Raduino code but rewrite for tft display, Trouble is display coding for a tft display is not trivial compared to an lcd, even at 20x4 line lcd, that's easy ! Use Jacks rotary speedup for just one band use along with a simpler uncluttered tft display.? I know the filter stuff etc looks nice but it's not relevant to a BitX. I can send you some code already done for tft's for you to look at and hack.? I use a 'basic' style of coding which is easy to read and follow. One tip I find helps whenever you get code to look at, is to first segment the functions with the single comment and hashes (pounds). i.e.?? //####################### That way you get a clear idea of program flow. Better stop now as I suppose this isn't relevant to BitX group.
-- Rob G4NQX |
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Re: lcd 3.5 display help sought
Jack Purdum
Sure! Sounds very neat! Any pictures? Jack, W8TEE From: G4NQX <tasmod@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [BITX20] lcd 3.5 display help sought Jack, No, whenever I use an 8 bit display I automatically use a Mega for the pins.? I've done all sorts of tricks before to use Nano or Uno even,? but it's not worth the hassle as they are cheap enough. Apart from my portable rigs I rarely try to shoehorn or miniaturise projects.? If I use smd for something they automatically become smaller anyway and in fact I like smd work. The signal generator project uses a Mega, a 3.5inch 8 bit mcufriend display, a 4x3 keypad for direct frequency entry to suit either of the modules, si5351 or ad9850(1) An ad8703 log amp as power out measurement. Future work is to add switched lpf's to cater for ham bands. (I've already done this on another project) Amp and output leveller for the ad9850. Then switched attenuators. Features as now are,? single frequency - frequency sweep between ranges - power out measurement - select either rf board - frequency limits to suit. I can send you the sketch if you want a look. -- Rob G4NQX |
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Re: Frequency display refresh (or lack thereof)
Jack Purdum
It gets worse!! Jack, W8TEE From: Dr Fred Hambrecht <AAR4MI@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [BITX20] Frequency display refresh (or lack thereof) Thanks for the information Jack. I just got involved a few weeks ago when I purchased the BITX 40 on a whim. Since then it has been like drinking from a firehose. ?I now have 4 Nano¡¯s and just ordered a mega? and have a ton of projects swirling through my head. Wow these are neat toys! ? v/r Fred W4JLE ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Purdum via Groups.Io Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 13:18 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BITX20] Frequency display refresh (or lack thereof) ? This helps identify the interrupt pins for the Arduino family:
? ? Jack, W8TEE ? |
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Re: Possible PA low output problem.
At $59, this will be going out to a lot of new hams worldwide. ?Like it or not. ?Some in rural areas without much of a support network or money for additional materials. ?The majority will just open the box and wire it up to be on the air. ? But others won't. ?We at least need better debug instructions. Much of the trouble seems to be in the final. ?Perhaps it's good enough to just post DC voltages around the three transistors there, as Raj did a couple months ago, ?Then what, they speak into the mike and measure the RF power out on their Bird wattmeter? ?That assumes an awful lot of stuff is suddenly working, and is not very concise. ?There should be a recommended way to inject a known signal into the final and measure the results. ?One way to generate a known signal level into the final might be to unbalance the modulator with a DC voltage and move the BFO down to where it's centered in the filter passband, as I have been recommending for CW transmisssion. ?(Ideally, the Si5351 is also used for the BFO.) ? That still assumes half the rig is working, though with an RF probe you could work your way from BFO to the IRF510. ?For example, varying the BFO frequency and inspecting the signal going into the diode ring mixer with the RF probe on transmit would verify that the crystal filter is working, and show the center frequency. Alternately, a digital pin shorted to ground at power up on the Nano tells it to turn on the Si5351 B channel with a 7.2mhz signal, goes out through two series resistors to ground to attenuate the 7.2mhz to about 0.1v pk-pk for injection into the base of Q13. ?That's my RF signal generator, and it would cost about 4 cents for those two resistors. ? If I were to kit those resistors up with a nano, si5351, display, pcboard, a few other parts, autoinsertion, mailing, dealing with folks saying it doesn't work or didn't arrive, my price would be something like $50. ?Much better to simply put those two resistors down on the main board for an additional 4 cents. ?A schottky diode, cap, and a resistor or two would bring that up to about 10 cents, and provides the RF probe to dig through the final with. ?If it's on the main board, then everyone has it, and we can have a common set of instructions for how to go about debug, and can get measurements that should agree. ?With some work, this could be a real educational tool for the new ham rather than a frustrating puzzle. The problem with the diode RF probe is it doesn't have much dynamic range. ?However, given how gain is distributed throughout the Bitx40 RF stages, we may not need much dynamic range. ?Especially if instead of 2 resistors, we have a string of 3 or 4 at the Si5351's B output, providing RF signals at various levels. ?Might consider having the AD8310 available as a $10 option, which would also give us a very very nice RF probe, a calibrated S meter, and sweeperino like capabilities. The STM32 processor boards mentioned elsewhere are interesting. ?For about an extra dollar over the Nano, you should have enough power to send and receive some of the digital modes. ?The ADC resolution goes up to 12 bits. ?Counter-timers can directly count at 30mhz+ for a very nice freq counter. ?More communication channels for perhipherals. ?And enough flash that this debug stuff could get quite sophisticated without getting in the way. Creeping featurism run amock. ?I'm ok with the Nano, and instructions for dead-bugging a diode RF probe. ?It's all Ashhar's call. ? Jerry, KE7ER ?On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 10:56 pm, Todd K7TFC wrote: If I were to advise a new ham with just a voltmeter, I'd tell him he needs to learn to walk before he can run ? |
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Re: Group Uploading
I just checked and there is no UPLOAD button and I am a subscriber. 73 Ken VA3ABN On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Hans Summers <hans.summers@...> wrote:
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Re: lcd 3.5 display help sought
Rob
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Send me your code that would be great. You can email me at. olson339 at Comcast dot net Art Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Art Olson <olsonaj6927@...> wrote: |
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Re: lcd 3.5 display help sought
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýRob I have come to the conclusion. Appreciate your wise council. I plan on looking at Jacks work and if you? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:11 AM, G4NQX <tasmod@...> wrote:
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Re: lcd 3.5 display help sought
G4NQX
You probably won't like this but that code just isn't worth it, it's all about display.? You would be better deciding what you want and write your own or hack the display code about.??? Heck, use the Raduino code but rewrite for tft display, Trouble is display coding for a tft display is not trivial compared to an lcd, even at 20x4 line lcd, that's easy ! Use Jacks rotary speedup for just one band use along with a simpler uncluttered tft display.? I know the filter stuff etc looks nice but it's not relevant to a BitX. I can send you some code already done for tft's for you to look at and hack.? I use a 'basic' style of coding which is easy to read and follow. One tip I find helps whenever you get code to look at, is to first segment the functions with the single comment and hashes (pounds). i.e.?? //####################### That way you get a clear idea of program flow. Better stop now as I suppose this isn't relevant to BitX group. |