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Re: Shipping time
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýExpect 5 weeks, that seems consistent with recent orders. Also, be advised that lead time could be extended due to delays in part shipments to HF Signals that are outside of the control of HF Signals.The 5 days seems like a typo, the zBitx has never shipped that quickly (five days from order to shipment notification), that may be the goal once demand is a bit more predictable, but it has never been the case as far as I know. Good luck, Ken, N2VIP On Jun 1, 2025, at 08:19, ridingmachine via groups.io <ridingmachine@...> wrote:
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Re: Satellite software to allow sBitx to monitor and display received signals alongside ICOM satellite radio
Gordon, agreed on all !? There's always more than one way to accomplish the objective, and I think the specific steps are somewhat?dependent on the software you choose. I dabbled with linear sats about 3 years ago, using SatPC32 and the exact method in your previous post, and it does work. In my current dabbling, I've been using GPredict on a Raspberry Pi to handle the doppler correction.? GPredict does not appear to provide a method to save the offset for future use.? However, DL7OAP has a python script called gp2icom that basically replaces rigctld for the specific combination of GPredict and specific Icom radios, and that script does include that ability.? I've been playing with it a bit.? It has its pros and cons versus just using rigctld.? With that software, you first find yourself?with RIT, and then enter that value into the configuration for future use on that sat. Part of my goal is a complete portable satellite station.? The Raspberry pi is tiny and takes little power, and I can access it with my iPad (via VNC) so it's headless. I've mostly been tinkering with it in the shack, but I did take it out in the yard a couple days ago as a proof of concept.? I'm not completely sold on it yet - I may go back to a laptop and SatPC32, or I might spring for the S.A.T box from CSN.? A couple of my friends have highly recommended it.? Their approach is to use RIT to find yourself on a given bird, and then save that value in the transponder configuration of the SAT box.? The box is tiny and provides a web interface, so I could use my phone or tablet. This stuff is a lot of fun - lots of choices !? I'm very? interested in how it all works out for you with the SbitX once you've gotten it all integrated. 73 de W0ZF On Sun, Jun 1, 2025 at 5:08?AM Gordon Gibby KX4Z via <docvacuumtubes=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Satellite software to allow sBitx to monitor and display received signals alongside ICOM satellite radio
Thanks very much, Dave W0ZF for your encouragement and added enlightenment.? ?I am a true beginner at this stuff.
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Regarding how to get your receive and transmit systems aligned so you can hear your own transmissions (and therefore, people who are CALLING YOU on those frequencies!) -- this is quite complicated.? ?I have recently learned how to individually change the TX or RX frequencies on my ICOM 820H while still in "satellite mode" (thus they are normally tracking each other).? ?The problem seems to be that if you wish to store the solution on a given radio, for a given satellite, you would want to do the correction via SATPC32 itself, so that it can measure what was the solution and store it in the files for that satellite.? ?Otherwise, you have made it work for your session, but the result is not stored inside the Doppler correction software and you'll have to re-solve it the next time you visit that satellite.? ?Since the oscillators of both the radio and the satellite can each have variations and error, there are lots of chances for the TX and RX not to align, and the solution needs to be stored for your radio and for each individual satellite, which SATPC32 is willing to do.? ?IF you make the correction using its buttons and features.
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The procedure recommended by the software author is reprinted below.? ?He seems to be a very detailed individual -- this is a bit tedious!? I have managed to do it for CW where I could hear my signal plainly.? ?I had a lot more trouble on SSB because my signal (due to excessive coax losses, etc) wasn't very strong.? ?I needed to be using headphones and able to concentrate on the receive signal sound.? ?
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The benefit that I hope to obtain is that once stored for each bird, I should be able to go back to the same satellite at a later pass, and (other than small variations due to temperature etc) be able to immediately hear my own signal with "close" to the right frequencies from the beginning.? ?The stored offsets (I checked, and indeed they were stored!) were on the order of 5 kHz for my CW signal on RS-44.? ?That's quite a correction!? ?
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Even after conquering the problem of aligning RX and TX signals, as you pointed out, the spectral display still has a huge advantage.? THEN the major benefit provided by the sBitx (or 7300 or other secondary receiver with a spectrum display) is that I can very quickly and easily see WHERE THERE ARE SIGNALS in the passband of the satellite.? ?We don't have the luxury of abundant time, when the pass may only be 10 minutes!? So the sBitx I think can be a huge help.? ? The recent reports of the sensitivity of the zBitx suggest that it too, might be useful (if the frequency can be controlled in a similar manner to the sBitx)? ?These are relatively cheap ways to improve the ease of use of older, non-spectrum-display satellite receivers.? ?
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Thanks again for your very helpful comment/insight!!
Gordon KX4Z
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=================SATPC32 Frequency Correction & Storage Instructions====================
e.?With analog transponders (satellites which allow SSB and CW operation, for example VO-52) exact frequency data are most important to hear your own signal immediately with the right audio pitch when you select such satellite That will probably be not the case with the frequency data that come with SatPC32. Due to hardware caused frequency deviations these data cannot be optimized for any particular equipment. Sometimes your own signal will not be audible at all with the default frequency data until you modify it slightly.????? ???????? The SatPC32 CAT menu functions, however, allow you to easily determine the optimal frequency data for your equipment and to store them automatically in the Doppler.SQF file. You don't need to edit that file manually. Important:?With the satellites using this mixed mode the SatPC32 control 'V¡± (for 'VFO¡±) must be switched to 'V+¡± before the following steps can be executed!? ??????????????? Please proceed as follows: (Note: All steps aa. ¨C ee. have to be done only ONCE! They must not be repeated at future program starts!
???????? aa.?Select the desired satellite, for example VO-52, while it is in range for your location.?????? ????????????? bb.?Tune the VFO to an unused frequency.? ???????????????????????? cc.?While transmitting and whistling or sending CW signals calibrate the TX frequency with the TX correction controls of the CAT menu or the +/- keys of the keyboard until you hear your signal with the correct audio pitch. With the Yaesu FT-847 you may also use the Sub VFO knob for this step. Caution: Do not use other methods to find your signal since the program needs to know the amount of correction to change the TX frequency accordingly.???? ??????????? dd.?Click the 'Change/Store Data File' button in the CAT menu. In the window that opens click the 'Uplink Calibration' button. The program will then automatically change the TX frequency entry in the Doppler.SQF file. When you select that satellite at future program starts you should immediately hear your signal. Minor remaining frequency deviations may then be corrected with the +/- keys of the keyboard or the correction controls of the CAT menu. If your signal's is too high, click the '+' key, if it is too low click the '-' key?? ???????? ee.??With satellites which require an outdoor converter or transverter (e.g.??AO-40 with a downlink on 13 cm and an uplink on 70 or 23 cm) you will probably have to search for your downlink signal because temperature-induced frequency variations of the converter's local oscillator.??These frequency variations can be 10 kHz or more. ? Fortunately, SatPC32 provides a simple process to correct for daily variations in converter L.O. frequencies.??The result is that you can find your signal easily on satellites such as AO-40. For this purpose the program evaluates the actual beacon frequency to determine the actual frequency deviation of the converter L.O. ???????? Please proceed as follows: ???????? aaa.??First select an unused frequency on the transponder. Correct your TX signal as described above (step cc) until you hear your signal with the right audio pitch. Then store the TX correction (step dd above). ???????? bbb.?Tune the VFO to the beacon frequency until you receive the beacon signal with zero beat. Then click the 'Change/Store Data File? button in the CAT menu. In the window that opens click the 'RX/TX Freq. Data'. ? Steps aaa and bbb typically only need to be done once, when initially calibrating the Doppler tuning for your converter(s) and transceiver.? ???????? f.?When you select that satellite (for example AO-40) at future program starts, the program will immediately tune the RX to the expected beacon frequency (considering the actual Doppler shift). But you will likely not immediately hear the beacon signal, at least not with zero beat, due to frequency changes of the converter L.O. (caused by outdoor temperature changes). Therefore tune the RX VFO to the beacon signal until you receive it with zero beat. Then click the 'Correct Actual Deviation' button in the CAT menu. The program will then automatically correct your uplink frequency (but will not store that correction value). Tune the VFO to an unused frequency. Now you should hear your signal with the right audio pitch or close to it. ? Step f typically needs to be done at the beginning of every AO-40 operating session, in order to calibrate the Doppler tuning software to 'today's' downconverter L.O. frequency.??By using this procedure, there is no need to transmit excessively to find your signal on the AO40 downlink.??Your transmit signal should be within 500 Hz of 'perfect' on the first transmission if you have followed these steps carefully. ?
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Re: Please remove me from the group
Amateur radio is a hobby. Amateur radio is innovative, curious, constantly learning, friendly and enjoys teamwork, even if it is at a great distance. Of course, zBITX is not a finished product, it may not have perfectly optimized software, but it offers a platform from which we can learn and when we make a radio connection we are fulfilled. The work of Farhan's team is appreciated by an international community of passionate people, because it offers the possibility of purchasing high-performance equipment at a decent price. Do you want a finished product? Look for a branded product, the fruit of a design team with decades of experience, but the price is in the thousands of dollars. Many amateur radio operators cannot afford that.
And, if the messages in this group bother you, click the unsubscribe link at the bottom of each message. Possibly, on the group's web page follow the instructions in the attached image. 73!
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Re: Satellite software to allow sBitx to monitor and display received signals alongside ICOM satellite radio
Nice progress Gordon! I¡¯m far from an expert, having only a dozen or so linear satellite QSOs under my belt, but I completely agree that the spectrum scope and automatic Doppler correction make things much simpler. I¡¯ve seen people demonstrate two different ways to ¡°find¡± your uplink in the passband. One, as you suggest, is to add or subtract an offset in the uplink frequency until you see/hear your signal coming back. The other is to leave the uplink frequency alone and use RIT on the receiver to find yourself. Again I¡¯m no expert but it seems to me the latter method would be less annoying to other users on the bird, as you¡¯re not slewing your transmission across the band. ? I¡¯m still trying to refine my technique to quickly and consistently find my downlink. I have much to learn. I think better antennas and some preamps are in my future¡ 73 de W0ZF? On Sat, May 31, 2025 at 6:49?PM Gordon Gibby KX4Z via <docvacuumtubes=[email protected]> wrote:
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Satellite software to allow sBitx to monitor and display received signals alongside ICOM satellite radio
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Newer expensive satellite radios have a built in spectral display that makes it really easy to find your own signal on a linear satellite's bandpass.
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Older satellite radios (like my icom 820H and the 910 also, I believe) do not have a spectral display and thus you have to "hunt" for your signal, which is awkward, timeconsuming and might bother others.? ?As I understand it, you often change your TRANSMIT frequency (uplink) to match your receiver.? So you are slewing your transmitter across the satellite bandpass.? ?There are a LOT of "moving parts" to operating on satellites, so some of this may make less or more sense to some of the readers with different experiences -- my experience is only of a few months....
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Getting the sBitx Spectral Display Into The Picture
I discovered that I could simply "T" in the receive input of my transverter with the input of my satellite receiver -- because of the high power output of the receiver preamp able to drive both of them.? ?That allows the transverter/sBitx (or for that matter, an Icom 7300) to DISPLAY the received spectrum, as much as 50kHz of it!? ?It is much easier to figure out from the display where your transmitted frequency is!? ? You can then move transmitter or receiver once you can SEE the offset.? ?
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When your primary ICOM is busy receiving and transmitting, the satellite Doppler shift is constantly changing.? That is being sent to your primary radio over an open-collector bidirectional TTL-level voltage from a USB dongle.? ?I cut into that wiring, and parallel-connected a cheap UART to allow the raspberry pi in the sBix to read the commands being sent out.? ?The software I wrote constantly receives all the receiver frequency corrections due to Doppler (ignoring the transmitter corrections)? and is constantly updating the frequency of the sBitx -- so you remain tracking with your primary satellite receiver as you work on finding the offset to your transmitter.? ?You don't have to worry about the doppler shift.? ?You just FIND your transmitter, and seeing yourself on the sBitx makes this a ton easier.
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Typically once you see where to roughly go, you will then make adjustments on your primary radio until you hear yourself in that radio.? then you store this new offset in your satellite software (e.g. SATPC32, which makes this pretty straightforward) -- and the next time you hope to hear/see yourself immediately.
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Synchronizing the sBitx/Transverter to your primary Receiver
Typically there isn't a huge error here, but it is unlikely to be zero.? ?You can fix this either BEF?ORE or AFTER working to find your transmitter.? ?It can be easier to get this squared away first.? To correct THAT offset, I added in an ability to type in + or - (followed by "enter") -- and each such entry raises or lowers the calculating driving the sBitx -- so you get your two receivers aligned as well.? ? You could do this easily by just using both receivers on ANY signal and making the adjustment.? ? Called "correction" the program tells you that number and the next time you get to ENTER that as a signed number of Hz when the program starts.
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The software I wrote is pretty old-school terminal-window command line software.? ?I don't have my 820H with me and that makes it more difficult to fully test -- but I think I have major errors already fixed.? ?I'll give it another day or so and then post the software source and compiled code here.
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I think this will help those of use working for lower-cost solutions and using older radios have a ton of fun on the linear satellites!? ?It was SO EASY to hit the electronic keyer to send a series of DOTS and simply look for it on the waterfall of the sBitx!!? ?I didn't have this software right then, so I wasn't able to fully capitalize on the advantage -- but I did get my radios synchronized and had a station answer my CQ leading to a nice QSO!!? My FIRST over a satellite.
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Gordon KX4Z
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Re: Zbitx - End of Development and Support?
What is the latest stable firmware version. I can't see that info on gith On Fri, 30 May 2025, 17:37 Ashhar Farhan via , <farhanbox=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Calibration Process for ZBitx?
You can try copying the sbitx/data/hw_settings_zbitxv1.ini file. If you want to change the output power, you can do it according to the sbitx logic. You mean changing the scale value by 20% and measuring the output signal on Dummy load where it can no longer be increased, that is the physical limit of your amplifier. After each increase, you have to restart it to start with the new value.
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Re: Please remove me from the group
Jerry Stewart
Thanks!? I didn¡¯t see that. On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 1:43?PM Jo PG4I via <pg4i=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Please remove me from the group
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAw JerrymNot interested in sticking around and seeing just what hams can do to improve a near little idea rig? ?It¡¯s a learning experience and can be a joy. ?My way of challenging this is buying a raspberry pi and a learning kit about the pi and seeing of I can improve my understanding. Thusly when the gurus come up with a solution I can follow with a lot more understanding. ?Anyway I will continue with the zBitX with my two other club members who also bought one. ?Stick around for the ride.? Dave K8WPE On May 30, 2025, at 1:23?PM, Jerry Stewart via groups.io <pinhook330@...> wrote:
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Re: Zbitx - End of Development and Support?
Hi Farhan, what is your roadmap to fix the list of open issues for the zBitx? It appears that some of these are hardware¡¯s related and how will you address these? Instead of adding new features I would like to see some movement here.
Thanks for your support and transparent communication!
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Re: Zbitx - End of Development and Support?
The mode is only working on the hmdi interface (not the front panel). It is on a separate branch named "messenger".? I am hoping that I can get two volunteers within nvis distance of each other who can test this thoroughly. - f On Sat, 31 May, 2025, 12:16?am Grant Brown via , <grant.brown73=[email protected]> wrote:
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