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Re: IRF510 sale

 



On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 6:13 PM Howard Fidel <howard@...> wrote:
I have 19V and on 40 meters, about 20 watts. Much less on the higher bands. The IRF510 is a poor choice for higher power and higher frequencies, it is slew rate limited.


Re: Ideas for "bulletproofing" the uBitx

 

Since this group is providing support for broken uBITX rigs, it is normal that what?
is posted here includes a high number of references to broken equipment.? There are?
thousands of BITX design rigs being used without any problems, but you don't see?
many posts about working rigs.??

Arv
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On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 8:16 AM Jerry Gaffke via <jgaffke=[email protected]> wrote:
Mad,

Thousands of stock uBit's are operating with no trouble at all.
If the IRF510's die at all, It is almost certainly because of overheating.
Perhaps when running some digital mode, inside an enclosure, with zero airflow..

Many of the reports of blown IRF510's can be attributed to people fiddling with the gate bias pots
without first spending 10 minutes to figure out what they are doing.?
The "clockwise is minimum" pot rotation plays a big factor.
Going to RD16HHF1's will only make this mistake much more expensive.

The uBitx is designed to be a minimalist SSB rig for all of HF at minimum cost, and succeeds wildly.
If it is to be used continuously at full power in digital modes, the minimalist heatsinks should be improved.

I can imagine that a shorted antenna jack (thus infinite SWR) could play a role.
But only because the IRF510's might heat up after some period of time.

Many in the forum run the IRF510's at around 20 volts for increased power.
With an adequate heatsink, this works reliably.
If you insist on telling them they should switch over to "real" RF devices such as the RD16HHF1,
you should also warn them?not to run at much beyond 12 volts.

The qrp-labs 10W PA blows away the many claims over the years in this forum
that the IRF510's are not suitable as RF transistors.?
It simply works, flat and clean, from 3.5 to 30mhz.
And is bulletproof when operated at 12v, even when presented with a worst case SWR.
The uBitx IRF510's can be just as reliable if given a suitable heatsink.

Jerry, KE7ER




On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 01:31 AM, MadRadioModder wrote:

Don¡¯t understand the point.? Why would you want to operate excellent RF transistors designed specifically for the 12-14V mobile world at a higher voltage?? They make all of their power in that range.

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You are correct¡­ that most people won¡¯t get much out of replacing IRF devices with the RDs¡­? until they blow out a set or two of them.? Then it will start to matter, because the RD devices survive much better under bad circumstances like infinite SWR.? Again, real RF transistors designed for load mismatch tolerance ?(read the app note, load tolerance spec).? Bullet-proof.

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You are also correct that most people won¡¯t spend the time to replace the IRF devices for the RD devices even after they kill a few sets.? They will just keep killing IRF510¡¯s.

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Re: IRF510 sale

 

I have some stock of darlingtons and wonder if there are any such transistors that can sub for the FETs because of the higher gain? Will the 3904s be able to drive a darlington with its much higher gain or would it require some kind of matching system? I believe using FETs eliminate much of the matching and drive attention but some here may know the answer to this better than I can guess.

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 12:58:37 PM EST, Jerry Gaffke via groups.io <jgaffke@...> wrote:


Here's an excellent post from Allison regarding the use of IRF510's vs the RD16HHF:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/53765
The IRF510's can work fine up through 30mhz.
At 50mhz I'd go with something better, but Allison finds a way.

Power from the 16db 2n3904 based driver stages falls off as the frequency goes up.
That may well be more of a factor than the IRF510's in your "much less on the higher bands".

Jerry, KE7ER



On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 09:13 AM, Howard Fidel wrote:
I have 19V and on 40 meters, about 20 watts. Much less on the higher bands. The IRF510 is a poor choice for higher power and higher frequencies, it is slew rate limited.


Re: Broke off screw mounts from screen

 

Sorry, I do not fully comprehend the nut "snapping off." I can see a screw snapping off but not the nut. Can you give more details?

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 3:53:18 PM EST, Gregg <greggahorton@...> wrote:


That's helpful for finding the right screw, but any idea how to fix the nuts that have snapped off?


On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 12:47 PM Bob Lunsford via <nocrud222=[email protected]> wrote:
Remember that the measurement is from the max mating surface (tip) to contact surface or the overall length. Therefore, with flathead screws, it is not the length of thread, it is from the end of the screw to the flat/surface (top) of the screw. This is obvious by process of elimination.

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 12:28:01 PM EST, Gregg <greggahorton@...> wrote:


That makes sense, I should have gotten out my calipers

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 4:37 AM Bob Lunsford via <nocrud222=[email protected]> wrote:
If you measure the screws' length with a millimeter scale, you will find there are two sizes, a longer one and a slightly shorter one. Use the shorter one and it will work OK. Just because a screw happens to screw into the thread does not mean it is the right screw.

The parts list that comes with the radio shows this, there are two screw sizes but of two different length. Time to break out that millimeter scale.

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 5:31:58 AM EST, Gregg <greggahorton@...> wrote:


I was attaching the screen and the screws weren't sitting flush and the bottom two nuts snapped off as I tightened. Is there anyway to repair? The screen isn't loose but I'd rather those not be snapped.


Re: Ideas for "bulletproofing" the uBitx

 

The V6 shines best on CW but I have been heard here in E Kentucky by others over the state and in Tennessee. Sure they have to crank up their RF gain to hear me but this is because too many hams use the RF gain as an HF equivalent to a 2M squelch control to limit static, etc.

CW is famous for requiring a couple of watts where at least 20W would be needed with SSB. Remember the Heath HW-8 with only about 2-3W and still high on some people's want list...

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 3:32:25 PM EST, R. Tyson via groups.io <tysons2@...> wrote:


>The qrp-labs 10W PA blows away the many claims over the years in this forum
>that the IRF510's are not suitable as RF transistors.?
>It simply works, flat and clean, from 3.5 to 30mhz.

I can also vouch for the QRP-Labs 50 watt amp. Using a pair of IRF510's in push pull and a good heat sink it just......???? works. Using CW it barely gets warm even after a lengthy over on my part.? Give the IRF510's a decent heat sink, don't require them to try and do the impossible and they are very good. They are also very cheap but if you need replacements make sure they are genuine products. Why oh why do people buy radio kit and then try to screw the ultimate, or even a bit more, out of it ? For those who don't know, or realise, if you are running 5 watts and receiving an S5 report then you would have to increase the power fourfold to gain another S point on your report. After raising it fourfold again you would gain another S point. You have to throw increasing amounts of power into gaining just one S point on your signal report.. it is more effective to improve the antenna system.
e.g.
5 watts = S5
20 watts = S6
80 watts = S7
160 watts = S8
640 watts S9

Reg??????????????????????? G4NFR


Re: Broke off screw mounts from screen

 

Ian, you said it best... Thanks.

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 3:29:28 PM EST, Ian Reeve <ian.radioworkshop@...> wrote:


The World is a mix of new and earlier standards. As a resident of the UK we now use metric although a fair few folk who work on older equipment still need to use Imperial measurements as well as knowledge of other engineering standards.

Of course we use Litres for liquids but the containers still mostly have the equivalent in Pints.

Our American friends use Miles,Feet and Inches.

¡°The U.S. is one of the few countries globally which still uses the Imperial system of measurement, where things are measured in feet, inches, pounds, ounces, etc.¡±

Its an eclectic mix!

?

73 de M0IDR

Sent from for Windows 10

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From: Loris IW4AJR via groups.io
Sent: 01 January 2021 19:46
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Broke off screw mounts from screen

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Hy Bob

The fact remains that in the world 6/7 billion people use the Decimal Metric System, that the ISO itself has established systems of multiples and submultiples related to the Decimal system ... I don't think that 400 or 500 million people, equal to only the 7% of the world population can continue to burden EXTRA COST over all the equipment, machinery and mechanics they import from the rest of the world with absurd costs for doubler the ingeniering for the rest of the world and maintain a measurement system that has been abandoned even by their own scientists ...

I know the inch metric comparison rules, but now, in the third millennium they are absurd and anachronistic !?it is time for the legacies of the past to be left in the past ... the future awaits us ! and the future does not belong exclusively to the USA, however big and important they may be, but to the whole world, from Europe to Asia and Africa and, not to forget, South America!
73 de

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IW4AJR Loris

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Re: Broke off screw mounts from screen

 

Loris, I can bend both ways. To people as here, that are taught the English system, it is easier and simpler for them to stay mainly with the English system because of tradition and seeing no need to learn a second system, even though it is based on the decimal system, easier to manipulate mathematically, etc., etc. You cannot convince me the metric system is more logical and common sense because I already know this. This cannot as easily be taught or accepted by those who are entrenched in a system that they have been taught since a child but with use, they can learn.

I like futbol and do not necessarily like American Football but here in America, this causes some of my friends to wonder about me. Watching the way Europeans and many other countries play futbol is a pleasure to me, although some women's teams do not cause this excitement nearly as much...

Bottom line, you don't have to convince me that the metric system is best on many fronts. Most in science and technology agree on this.

However:

"Everyone's taste is in his own mouth." {;->

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 2:47:02 PM EST, Loris IW4AJR via groups.io <lorisbollina@...> wrote:


Hy Bob
The fact remains that in the world 6/7 billion people use the Decimal Metric System, that the ISO itself has established systems of multiples and submultiples related to the Decimal system ... I don't think that 400 or 500 million people, equal to only the 7% of the world population can continue to burden EXTRA COST over all the equipment, machinery and mechanics they import from the rest of the world with absurd costs for doubler the ingeniering for the rest of the world and maintain a measurement system that has been abandoned even by their own scientists ...
I know the inch metric comparison rules, but now, in the third millennium they are absurd and anachronistic !?it is time for the legacies of the past to be left in the past ... the future awaits us ! and the future does not belong exclusively to the USA, however big and important they may be, but to the whole world, from Europe to Asia and Africa and, not to forget, South America!
73 de
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IW4AJR Loris


Re: IRF510 sale

 

OK thanks, I will just keep it stock then
--
Frank, KG9H


Re: Broke off screw mounts from screen

Gregg
 

That's helpful for finding the right screw, but any idea how to fix the nuts that have snapped off?


On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 12:47 PM Bob Lunsford via <nocrud222=[email protected]> wrote:
Remember that the measurement is from the max mating surface (tip) to contact surface or the overall length. Therefore, with flathead screws, it is not the length of thread, it is from the end of the screw to the flat/surface (top) of the screw. This is obvious by process of elimination.

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 12:28:01 PM EST, Gregg <greggahorton@...> wrote:


That makes sense, I should have gotten out my calipers

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 4:37 AM Bob Lunsford via <nocrud222=[email protected]> wrote:
If you measure the screws' length with a millimeter scale, you will find there are two sizes, a longer one and a slightly shorter one. Use the shorter one and it will work OK. Just because a screw happens to screw into the thread does not mean it is the right screw.

The parts list that comes with the radio shows this, there are two screw sizes but of two different length. Time to break out that millimeter scale.

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 5:31:58 AM EST, Gregg <greggahorton@...> wrote:


I was attaching the screen and the screws weren't sitting flush and the bottom two nuts snapped off as I tightened. Is there anyway to repair? The screen isn't loose but I'd rather those not be snapped.


Re: Broke off screw mounts from screen

 

Remember that the measurement is from the max mating surface (tip) to contact surface or the overall length. Therefore, with flathead screws, it is not the length of thread, it is from the end of the screw to the flat/surface (top) of the screw. This is obvious by process of elimination.

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 12:28:01 PM EST, Gregg <greggahorton@...> wrote:


That makes sense, I should have gotten out my calipers


On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 4:37 AM Bob Lunsford via <nocrud222=[email protected]> wrote:
If you measure the screws' length with a millimeter scale, you will find there are two sizes, a longer one and a slightly shorter one. Use the shorter one and it will work OK. Just because a screw happens to screw into the thread does not mean it is the right screw.

The parts list that comes with the radio shows this, there are two screw sizes but of two different length. Time to break out that millimeter scale.

Bob ¡ª KK5R

On Friday, January 1, 2021, 5:31:58 AM EST, Gregg <greggahorton@...> wrote:


I was attaching the screen and the screws weren't sitting flush and the bottom two nuts snapped off as I tightened. Is there anyway to repair? The screen isn't loose but I'd rather those not be snapped.


Re: Broke off screw mounts from screen

 

Hello,?
Remember! Lol

When our fabulous Concorde was made parts of airplanes were made in Great Britain.
They assembled perfectly in the hundredth of minutes with the pieces made in France despite the fact that their scale was in inch.
No computer, everything was done with a drawing board.
Too bad it made a little noise..... for our American friends (LOL)


uBitx V6 firmware 1.2 upgrade

 

I am looking for someone to tell how to put this firmware into the Arduino IDE? I have not unzipped it yet....
I have followed KD8CEC this, far and do I need Xloader to do it? or how? I tried to download Xloader and it said it was a bad site to go to?
Could I use Balena Etcher?


Re: Ideas for "bulletproofing" the uBitx

 

>The qrp-labs 10W PA blows away the many claims over the years in this forum
>that the IRF510's are not suitable as RF transistors.?
>It simply works, flat and clean, from 3.5 to 30mhz.

I can also vouch for the QRP-Labs 50 watt amp. Using a pair of IRF510's in push pull and a good heat sink it just......???? works. Using CW it barely gets warm even after a lengthy over on my part.? Give the IRF510's a decent heat sink, don't require them to try and do the impossible and they are very good. They are also very cheap but if you need replacements make sure they are genuine products. Why oh why do people buy radio kit and then try to screw the ultimate, or even a bit more, out of it ? For those who don't know, or realise, if you are running 5 watts and receiving an S5 report then you would have to increase the power fourfold to gain another S point on your report. After raising it fourfold again you would gain another S point. You have to throw increasing amounts of power into gaining just one S point on your signal report.. it is more effective to improve the antenna system.
e.g.
5 watts = S5
20 watts = S6
80 watts = S7
160 watts = S8
640 watts S9

Reg??????????????????????? G4NFR


Re: Broke off screw mounts from screen

Ian Reeve
 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

The World is a mix of new and earlier standards. As a resident of the UK we now use metric although a fair few folk who work on older equipment still need to use Imperial measurements as well as knowledge of other engineering standards.

Of course we use Litres for liquids but the containers still mostly have the equivalent in Pints.

Our American friends use Miles,Feet and Inches.

¡°The U.S. is one of the few countries globally which still uses the Imperial system of measurement, where things are measured in feet, inches, pounds, ounces, etc.¡±

Its an eclectic mix!

?

73 de M0IDR

Sent from for Windows 10

?

From: Loris IW4AJR via groups.io
Sent: 01 January 2021 19:46
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Broke off screw mounts from screen

?

Hy Bob

The fact remains that in the world 6/7 billion people use the Decimal Metric System, that the ISO itself has established systems of multiples and submultiples related to the Decimal system ... I don't think that 400 or 500 million people, equal to only the 7% of the world population can continue to burden EXTRA COST over all the equipment, machinery and mechanics they import from the rest of the world with absurd costs for doubler the ingeniering for the rest of the world and maintain a measurement system that has been abandoned even by their own scientists ...

I know the inch metric comparison rules, but now, in the third millennium they are absurd and anachronistic !?it is time for the legacies of the past to be left in the past ... the future awaits us ! and the future does not belong exclusively to the USA, however big and important they may be, but to the whole world, from Europe to Asia and Africa and, not to forget, South America!
73 de

-------
IW4AJR Loris

?


Re: Broke off screw mounts from screen

 

Hy Bob
The fact remains that in the world 6/7 billion people use the Decimal Metric System, that the ISO itself has established systems of multiples and submultiples related to the Decimal system ... I don't think that 400 or 500 million people, equal to only the 7% of the world population can continue to burden EXTRA COST over all the equipment, machinery and mechanics they import from the rest of the world with absurd costs for doubler the ingeniering for the rest of the world and maintain a measurement system that has been abandoned even by their own scientists ...
I know the inch metric comparison rules, but now, in the third millennium they are absurd and anachronistic !?it is time for the legacies of the past to be left in the past ... the future awaits us ! and the future does not belong exclusively to the USA, however big and important they may be, but to the whole world, from Europe to Asia and Africa and, not to forget, South America!
73 de
-------
IW4AJR Loris


Re: IRF510 sale

 

Ted,

You are likely getting more power on 20m than on 40 and 80 because of C81 and R83
in the emitter leg of Q90.? They increase the gain at high frequencies to compensate
for losses in the later stages.

Here's some old threads for those curious about tradeoffs in the uBitx PA.
Make sure you have some time before jumping in, there's lots going on here.
/g/BITX20/message/74038
/g/BITX20/message/57428
/g/BITX20/message/57506
/g/BITX20/message/58216
/g/BITX20/message/58856

Jerry, KE7ER


On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 11:04 AM, Ted wrote:
"Power from the 16db 2n3904 based driver stages falls off as the frequency goes up.
That may well be more of a factor than the IRF510's in your "much less on the higher bands".
?
I concur with Jerry and did follow Allison's lead that band performance upstairs can be improved by swapping 2N2222 cans for the original pre driver & driver 3904's with resistor halving as suggested.??
?
I've done that on one board and have been happy. On a separate board, I put in one 2N5109 for each pair of 3904's. That works especially well with 20v on the finals.? I'm getting around 20-25W SSB on 20 meters, and maybe 15 -20 on 80 & 40.??
?


Re: Ideas for "bulletproofing" the uBitx

 

I called the MPJA 800-number 800-652-6733 and did it over the phone for two packages of ten plus an impedance/capacitance meter (for $22.95) and had it all shipped for $6.95 and it took me only about five minutes. The link for the transistors? now shows an offer for resistors. The call attendant said she'd look to see if they had any left. She said they'd send them but I suspect they are sold out by now because the transistor link now shows resistors. You can call to see if any left.

It's such a common transistor that it's not hard to find them. Jameco has them for 99-cents each (10+ for 85-cents):







On Friday, January 1, 2021, 12:06:21 PM EST, Mike Morneau <ve3mic@...> wrote:


Not to mention RF parts availability.? IRF510s can be found almost anywhere.? Anyone that has tried to source RF transistors I'm sure can appreciate this -especially those living in remote areas.
73 de Mike


Re: IRF510 sale

 

"Power from the 16db 2n3904 based driver stages falls off as the frequency goes up.
That may well be more of a factor than the IRF510's in your "much less on the higher bands".

I concur with Jerry and did follow Allison's lead that band performance upstairs can be improved by swapping 2N2222 cans for the original pre driver & driver 3904's with resistor halving as suggested.??

I've done that on one board and have been happy. On a separate board, I put in one 2N5109 for each pair of 3904's. That works especially well with 20v on the finals.? I'm getting around 20-25W SSB on 20 meters, and maybe 15 -20 on 80 & 40.??



Ted
K3RTA?


Re: Ideas for "bulletproofing" the uBitx

 

Mad,

Name one name brand radio that uses a Nano clone.

Or better yet:
Name one name brand radio that sells for $160.

By your argument, we should just swap the whole thing out.
Which is a perfectly fine solution if what you want is a "real" RF appliance.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 08:38 AM, MadRadioModder wrote:
Here¡¯s the tell.? Name one name brand commercial radio that uses IRF510¡¯s as RF transistors.


VARIATIONS IN SWR WHEN CONNECTING LINEAR AMP

 

HI GOOD DAY TO ALL.

NEW YEAR GREETINGS FROM INDIA.

?Today(01.01.2021) I measured the SWR of my antenna system using ANTUINO ANALYZER. It is observed ?that there are very wide variations in the SWR values when the antenna is connected direct to the BITX rig (barefoot) and when connected through the linear amplifier(PUTTING THE LINEAR IN SWITCHED OFF CONDITION). The relevant details are as below

?? I am using uBITX V6 with a linear amplifier driving ?about 5w into linear amp.

?? Linear amp draws about 70 W power.

?? I am using inverted VEE antenna for 40 m and 20 m band ?with common coax feeder.

?? The linear amp has got provision such that when it is switched off, the antenna and ubitx rig are ?connected so that the output from the barefoot ubitx rig is getting pushed out to the antenna. This facilitates easy operation for changing QRP TO QRO or vice versa without unscrewing and screwing the connectors but by simply switching the linear on or off

? With the above set up I made the observations on SWR using Antuino and the observations are as below

LOWEST SWR VALUE AND CORRESPONDING FREQUENCY

  1. THE ANTENNA CONNECTED DIRECT TO THE ANTUINO ANALYZER ?

FREQUENCY? IN MHZ

SWR

?

7.140

1.5

?

14.250

1.2

?

?

??????? 2.THE ANTENNA CONNECTED TO THE ANTUINO ANALYZER ?THROUGH THE LINEAR

??????????? AMPLIFIER ?BUT THE LINEAR IS IN SWITCHED OFF CONDITION

FREQUENCY? IN MHZ

SWR

?

7.290

1.1

AT 7.140MHZ, SWR 1.4

14.100

4

AT 14.000MHZ SWR IS 5.8

AT 12.060 SWR IS 2.6

?

i)In the 7 MHZ band, if the linear is in series with TX ?and the linear IS IN SWITCHED OFF CONDITION , the SWR gets good improvement but at higher frequency ( outside ?the band)

ii) In the 14 MHZ band, if the linear is in series with TX ?and the linear IS IN SWITCHED OFF CONDITION, the SWR value rises ?up drastically (5.8 AT 14.000MHZ)

?As such I like to know the reason for the above SWR variations and to get guidance to bring the SWR values within 1.5 in both bands and in both linear on and off positions.

?. ???I appreciate, any one, kindly throw some light on the above and give some tips

?? Thanks a lot in advance

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???With 73

? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????MUTHU?

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