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Re: Simple spur fix

 

Nick,

Would also like to order 4 of the filter boards. Let me know how - PayPal can be on the way
THanks
--

KG5UMH
Michael - DM93am


Re: uBITX Firmware CEC Version 1.1 Release #ubitx

Kevin Rea
 

Thank you very much Ian for all of your hard work on this.
Kevin Rea
K6REA


uBITX Firmware CEC Version 1.1 Release #ubitx

 

Version 1.1 is the first major release since 1.097,?I released it after a 50-day beta test.
(Version 1.08 also had a beta test period of about 50 days)

Version 1.1 includes all additions or improvements from 1.08 to 1.09, 1.093, 1.095, 1.097?
Version 1.1 changed version name only in Version 1.097 Beta.
You do not need to upgrade if you are using Version 1.097. This is the version with only the version number changed.

Major Changes

?- Support Nextion LCD, TJC LCD

?- Read & Backup uBITX, ADC Monitoring, ATT, IF-Shift and more on Nextion LCD (TJC LCD)

?- Factory Reset (Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable)

?- Support Signal Meter using ADC (A7 Port)

?- Supoort I2C Signal Meter

?- Spectrum

?- Band Scan

?- Memory Control on Nextion LCD (TJC LCD)

?- Speed Change CW-Option on Nextion LCD

?- Fixed Band Change Bug (Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable)

?- uBITX Manager removed the Encode and Decode buttons. The procedure has become a bit easier.

?- I2C Device Scan on uBITX Manager ( Both Character LCD and Nextion LCD are applicable)

?- Si5351 I2C Address can be changed

?- Recovery using QR-Code Data from Server

?- Nextion LCD and TJC LCD can display Spectrum and CW Decode (using Stand alone S-Meter)

?- Other Minor Bugs

?

Please refer to the link below for details.


Please download the related file from the link below.


Nextion LCD or TJC LCD's GUI is the same version as 1.097 (Beta) distribution.
If you are using a different GUI that is customized by great developers, you do not have to change it.

Ian KD8CEC
kd8cec@...
(my blog)


Re: Simple spur fix

 

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Hello Nick,

I would to order several of those boards. How would I do so?

Ripley
KD8UYQ

The words are mine but this iPad does what it will with them.

On Sep 11, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Nick VK4PP <nickpullen@...> wrote:

Wow, so I just ordered 490 boards for AU$15. that is $0.03 a board.
I will give theses away free, just $3.50 postage DX, can be combined with other boards too...

Ill include it also free with a LPF boards when they arrive are available.

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Thanks to all those who are working on this.

73 Nick VK4PP


Re: si5351 crosstalk #radiuno

 

So what is the impedance the mixer is seeing for the clock from the si5351?

The only claim I saw for the si5351 was an output resistance of 85 ohms if the drive is set to 8MA. Assuming it doesn't have some magical property that it gets lower when outputting a high frequency clock. then the mixer, after the pad, is seeing 59.7 ohms.

If by chance the outputs of the si5351 are really current sources, then the mixer would be seeing 82 ohms,?

If the si5351 is a current source when driving the high output and a low impedance when driving back to ground, who knows what the mixer is seeing and it doesn't sound symmetrical.

How critical is the impedance the mixer sees?

Possibly another good reason for a buffer where you can control the impedance better.

Tom, wb6b


Re: si5351 crosstalk #radiuno

 

Diode ring mixers are messy.
The port driven by the local oscillator will have unwanted mixer products coming out of it.
Using a 6dB attenuator, most of that junk coming back out will get absorbed by the 50 ohms it sees.
If the unwanted products are not absorbed, they can be reflected back into the mixer to create yet more products
that can come out of one of the other ports.? Causes birdies in a receiver, spurs in the transmitted signal.

That attenuator would work pretty well here if the si5351 were capable of driving with 13dBm of power.
It would lose 6 dB going through the attenuator and the mixer would get 7dBm of power like it should.
In this case, since the si5351 can't give 13dBm, we should either add a fairly powerful buffer amp
between the si5351 and the 6dB pad and/or we should somehow do away with the 6dB pad.

Jerry


On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 08:50 PM, Gary Anderson wrote:
What's the reason to? set-up the Si5351 to maximum drive @ "8 mA" ,3.3 V (Output Driver close to 50 Ohms at 1.65V per IBIS models ) just to send through a? series resistor, then to a? 50 ohm 6 dB pad?
I was confused, and even more so now? from Kee's post on V4 schematic with increasing series resistance before the 6bB pad ,rather? than decreasing Si5351 drive and winding transformers to match impendance.?

Flame Suit On.? Just wishing? to re-cap the well head so all may benefit from the refined uBITX .
Regards,
Gary AG5TX


Re: si5351 crosstalk #radiuno

 

What's the reason to? set-up the Si5351 to maximum drive @ "8 mA" ,3.3 V (Output Driver close to 50 Ohms at 1.65V per IBIS models ) just to send through a? series resistor, then to a? 50 ohm 6 dB pad?
I was confused, and even more so now? from Kee's post on V4 schematic with increasing series resistance before the 6bB pad ,rather? than decreasing Si5351 drive and winding transformers to match impendance.?

Flame Suit On.? Just wishing? to re-cap the well head so all may benefit from the refined uBITX .
Regards,
Gary AG5TX


Re: Antenna Loops #off_topic

 

David and Dan, I steered you to the wrong MFJ SWR meter. I mentioned
the MFJ-818, but in fact MFJ manufactures a different model SWR meter,
the model MFJ-822, that is cheaper at $60, but curiously seems to be
better built than the 818. You can't do much better than the model
822...in fact I may have to heat up my own plastic in prep for a buy.
-- Rich WB2GXM

On 9/10/18, iz oos <and2oosiz2@...> wrote:
If you have room enough I would look to reasonably efficient wire antennas
such as a G5RV, Doublet and I have seen a very cheap new small tuner from
MFJ, don't remember the exact model, I think it is prices at 50Usd.

Il 09/set/2018 16:29, "David Posthuma" <davep@...> ha
scritto:

There have been many posts regarding end fed antennas. I hope these posts
were helpful.

My favorite portable antenna are various loops, either
full-wave loops, quads, or Miniature Magnetic Loop Antennas. Why do I
like
loops:


1. Because they are a closed circuit resulting in very low noise, far
less than a dipole, verticle, or end-fed wire (NOTE: You can't work
what
you can't hear)
2. Because the can be polarized vertically for low-angle radiation,
horizontally, or even a hybrid of these
3. Because they are easy to build and match to a 50-ohm coax

But for portable operation, nothing beats a Minature Magnetic Loop
antenna. This is because it is light-weight, directional, and can
literally
sit on the ground and still work perfectly well!

I wrote an article about Miniature Magnetic Loop Antennas for the
Elecraft.com team way back in 1999 when they were not yet so popular
(i.e.,
I was a builder of the early K2 and beta tester for the 100 watt linear).
Check it out at
.
You can build these antennas with materials from any home improvement
store. I hope they inspire some antenna building from among the
uBitx building family.

David Posthuma, WD8PUO




Re: Simple spur fix

 

When transmitting in CW mode, the uBitx disables clk0 and clk1,
Clk2 into the D1,D2 mixer is at the operating frequency.?
There is nothing for clk2 to intermodulate with, so CW transmissions are clean?so long as
the transmit LPF's have been taken care of.
There is no need to add a 45mhz crystal filter if you only plan to operate CW.
Some mods proposed here for adding the extra 45mhz crystal filter will disable CW mode,
since they do not provide a DC path for the CW-KEY signal to unbalance the D1,D2 mixer.

IMD (Inter-Modulation-Distortion) when transmitting SSB signals is an issue,
this will create splatter into adjacent channels.? It gets worse as you up the mike gain.
The causes include non-linearities in the IF amps, non-linearities in the four power amp stages,
signal levels into the mixers being too strong, and local oscillators into the mixers not being strong enough.
These issues are known and it should be possible to resolve them in v5.
It remains to be seen if there is an easy fix for v3/v4 boards that sufficiently cures the?IMD issue.
For example, perhaps stronger local oscillators from the si5351 using external buffers may help.

Unlike the spurs and harmonics previously discussed, IMD is close in to your?
transmitted signal, and is something?that other operators nearby in the band may notice.

If you do operate in SSB mode, do not use the uBitx with a high powered amp.
Be ready to acknowledge reports that your signal is splattering into adjacent channels.
Whether or not it is reasonable to operate at 5 or 10 watts with some IMD is up for debate,
I don't recall any reports in the forum of others in the band complaining of splatter.



Jerry, KE7ER?


On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 04:43 PM, Bill Cromwell wrote:
with rearranged low pass filters and the additional 45 MHz filter, CW operation is healthy enough to operate.


Re: NX4832T035 issues

Mark M
 

The NX4832T035 is listed as a 3.5". The model number should be printed on the back. If yours is not truly a 3.5, it must think it is. :)

Glad you got it to work.

73... Mark

On 9/11/18 4:44 PM, Ross Bell wrote:
Hi Mark:
Success I used the 3.5 tft file worked, I am puzzled why this worked , dimensions are for 3.2 display,? the display is different than the ones I have seen on the group, but I like the format looks great thanks alot.
73 Ross Bell K7RSB


Re: Simple spur fix

Steve Black
 

I too suffer the? ravages of Multiple Radio Acquisition Syndrome.? I have already acquired a BitX40 and a uBitX. I eagerly await the V5 when it makes its appearance.? Steve kb1chu

On 9/11/2018 8:46 PM, Nick VK4PP wrote:


Re: Simple spur fix

 

I hazard to say, if V5 of the uBitx has all these fixes included, I may just buy one too...
I suffer from Multiple Radio Acquisition Syndrome.

73 Nick.?


Re: Simple spur fix

Gordon Gibby
 

Well said, Bill!

This little radio has come along way in the past few months.

On Sep 11, 2018, at 19:44, Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell@...> wrote:

Hi,

Just to be clear, Warren IS talking about SSB operation when talking about the IMD products. That is a remaining issue. But with rearranged low pass filters and the additional 45 MHz filter, CW operation is healthy enough to operate.

It will probably not be very long before the IMD issue gets resolved. That is how open source projects are supposed to work we have been seeing this open source project do exactly that.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 09/11/2018 05:53 PM, Warren Allgyer wrote:
With the PA filters removed from the motherboard and constructed
externally with two relays per filter and better layout and isolation,
the harmonics on all bands are compliant with the existing filter
component values. With the addition of the R27 45 MHz filter with a 12:1
impedance transformer between the filter and the following mixer, my
uBitx is also now compliant for spurs. What remains for compliance is
confirmation of appropriate levels of intermodulation distortion.

There is no FCC or ITU standard for intermodulation distortion. There is
a standardized measurement procedure. Chapter 25 in the ARRL Handbook
details it. But what comprises an acceptable level is left to equipment
suppliers and specifiers. IMD is measured by putting 2 audio tones
within the 3 KHz SSB passband and generally 1 KHz apart at equal levels.
The resulting sideband signal is examined on a spectrum analyzer and the
level of the mixed products of the two tones is measured and compared to
the tone peaks themselves. It is generally accepted that the 3rd and 5th
order products should be a minimum of 24 dB below the level of either
tone. Military specifications often require as much a 36 dB difference.
IMD generally improves as you reduce power and gets drastically worse
with over driven RF stages. I generally consider the power level which
gives at least 24 dB of 3rd and 5th order suppression to be the maximum
useable level and this is the test standard used by many equipment
manufacturers.

With that as background I set about testing the now compliant radio.

Unfortunately there seems to be no power level at which 80 and 40 meters
can achieve 24 dB in my radio. On 80 meters the best I could achieve as
I varied the power level from 100 mW to 10 watts was 19 dB. And that was
at 100 mW. Audio input in this case was 30 mVrms and reducing it by as
much as 10 dB did not improve IMD. It only limited the maximum power
that can be achieved. Power level in these tests was varied with RV1.

On 40 meters the best IMD achievable was 12 dB.

20 meters was the first band where I could achieve a 24 dB reading and
that was at 1.5 watts out. At any higher power level IMD rose
dramatically. At 5 watts it was 16 dB.

I stopped my tests at this point. Such levels are not useable in my
opinion and only get significantly worse as external amplifiers are added.

WA8TOD

--
bark less - wag more



Re: NX4832T035 issues

 

Hi Mark:
Success I used the 3.5 tft file worked, I am puzzled why this worked , dimensions are for 3.2 display,? the display is different than the ones I have seen on the group, but I like the format looks great thanks alot.
73 Ross Bell K7RSB


Re: Simple spur fix

 

Hi,

Just to be clear, Warren IS talking about SSB operation when talking about the IMD products. That is a remaining issue. But with rearranged low pass filters and the additional 45 MHz filter, CW operation is healthy enough to operate.

It will probably not be very long before the IMD issue gets resolved. That is how open source projects are supposed to work we have been seeing this open source project do exactly that.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 09/11/2018 05:53 PM, Warren Allgyer wrote:
With the PA filters removed from the motherboard and constructed
externally with two relays per filter and better layout and isolation,
the harmonics on all bands are compliant with the existing filter
component values. With the addition of the R27 45 MHz filter with a 12:1
impedance transformer between the filter and the following mixer, my
uBitx is also now compliant for spurs. What remains for compliance is
confirmation of appropriate levels of intermodulation distortion.

There is no FCC or ITU standard for intermodulation distortion. There is
a standardized measurement procedure. Chapter 25 in the ARRL Handbook
details it. But what comprises an acceptable level is left to equipment
suppliers and specifiers. IMD is measured by putting 2 audio tones
within the 3 KHz SSB passband and generally 1 KHz apart at equal levels.
The resulting sideband signal is examined on a spectrum analyzer and the
level of the mixed products of the two tones is measured and compared to
the tone peaks themselves. It is generally accepted that the 3rd and 5th
order products should be a minimum of 24 dB below the level of either
tone. Military specifications often require as much a 36 dB difference.
IMD generally improves as you reduce power and gets drastically worse
with over driven RF stages. I generally consider the power level which
gives at least 24 dB of 3rd and 5th order suppression to be the maximum
useable level and this is the test standard used by many equipment
manufacturers.

With that as background I set about testing the now compliant radio.

Unfortunately there seems to be no power level at which 80 and 40 meters
can achieve 24 dB in my radio. On 80 meters the best I could achieve as
I varied the power level from 100 mW to 10 watts was 19 dB. And that was
at 100 mW. Audio input in this case was 30 mVrms and reducing it by as
much as 10 dB did not improve IMD. It only limited the maximum power
that can be achieved. Power level in these tests was varied with RV1.

On 40 meters the best IMD achievable was 12 dB.

20 meters was the first band where I could achieve a 24 dB reading and
that was at 1.5 watts out. At any higher power level IMD rose
dramatically. At 5 watts it was 16 dB.

I stopped my tests at this point. Such levels are not useable in my
opinion and only get significantly worse as external amplifiers are added.

WA8TOD
--
bark less - wag more


Re: si5351 crosstalk #radiuno

 

Allison, I stated in my Post for the test, and shown on the plots:
all three outputs are loaded. (the one under test with the SA)
all three output are buffered via 3 x 74LVC1G04GW's (SOT-353 packages)
I also measured each out, while the others were loaded.

For sure layout can be an issue.? All buffer chips and the Si5351 on the PCB are grounded thru wire vias to the ground plane underneath.? The top is also flooded with ground plane.
The PCB is home made and the size of a small postage stamp. There's a limit to what one can do with a tiny diy pcb. But the idea was proof of concept.

glenn

>>Did you buffer all three outputs in your test?? And measure the buffered one only or all three?

All three with the 74AUP wich are one inverter per package.

>>I don't have access to 74LVT04 but used 3 x 74LVC04's (SOT single versions)

I didn't try the hex inverter part (6 inverters per package).? I suspect that needs testing?
as you run into the same issues of common busses on the die for power.? So that part
could (untested) also have cross talk.

Of course with fast rise/fall time transistions the layout should look like VHF/UHF
ground planes and top pour of ground copper.??Bypassing is also important and
watch for ground loops.

Allison

On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 09:47 PM, ajparent1/KB1GMX wrote:
>>Did you buffer all three outputs in your test?? And measure the buffered one only or all three?

All three with the 74AUP wich are one inverter per package.

>>I don't have access to 74LVT04 but used 3 x 74LVC04's (SOT single versions)

I didn't try the hex inverter part (6 inverters per package).? I suspect that needs testing?
as you run into the same issues of common busses on the die for power.? So that part
could (untested) also have cross talk.

Of course with fast rise/fall time transistions the layout should look like VHF/UHF
ground planes and top pour of ground copper.??Bypassing is also important and
watch for ground loops.

Allison


Re: Simple spur fix

 

Wow, so I just ordered 490 boards for AU$15. that is $0.03 a board.
I will give theses away free, just $3.50 postage DX, can be combined with other boards too...

Ill include it also free with a LPF boards when they arrive are available.

????

Thanks to all those who are working on this.

73 Nick VK4PP


Re: NX4832T035 issues

Mark M
 

I believe the T035 is a 3.5" display. If you're trying to load a file for the 3.2" you'll get that error. Or vice-versa...trying to load the 3.5" file into a 3.2" display. Also be sure it's not a file for the enhanced version into a basic display.

BTDT...

Mark AA7TA

On 9/11/18 3:25 PM, Ross Bell wrote:
Hi All:
I just received myNextion 3.2 basic today, I cannot get any files to upload with the with the SD card (formatted with fat32 one tft file) or the editor. The editor send a connect failed: forced interrupt error and the sd card error: Model does not Match?device model: NX48320T035_011R. Possible I am using the wrong version software? Not finding any with help with google. Any help is appreciated
Thanks and 73


Re: NX4832T035 issues

 

Thanks Joel:
I will give that a try!!


Re: NX4832T035 issues

 

Hi Ross,

It's more likely that your SD card is incompatible with the Nextion display. While I was waiting for my Nextion 3.2E to get here I went to Walmart and bought a cheap 8GB SD card, when it got here, I tried to upload a file to the display and it gave me a similar error, so I used my old 16GB SanDisk card instead and it worked perfect. Both cards were formatted the same way and had the same file on them, but only the SanDisk card worked. Don't know why, I can use the cheap card on my Laptop with no problems, but the display didn't like it for some reason.

Joel
N6ALT