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Re: Building homebrew ubitx: Need pre-v3 schematic PDF. Also, source for 45M15 (45 MHz IF) filter?

Rahul Srivastava
 

Hi!

Another source for 45MHz filters , have not yet purchased need to place a trial order.Please translate.

73

Rahul VU3WJM







Re: The new uBITX boards are here

 

What you say is true of the TDA2822 of the v3 uBitx board.
Some of us are talking about the 2n3904 push-pull audio amp that's in the new v4 uBitx board.



On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:36 am, ajparent1/KB1GMX wrote:
Actuay it does drive 4 ohm speakers at lower operating voltage.? However at 12V you really want 32 ohm.

THe spec has 4.5V for 4ohm, 6V 8ohm, and 9V 32ohm as minimums.

Its why I put a regulator in mine to dial it down to 8V.? Less issues.

Allison


Current Firmware

 

I would like to upgrade my uBITX to the latest version (4 I believe), but don't know which one on Github to use.
I would appreciate a little direction. Also, where on my Mac do I put the file?

Thanks,
73, Dennis
W7DRW


Re: LCD 20x4 I2C

 


I would remove the 5v pullups from the LCD backpack, the Raduino still has 3.3v pullups on those lines.
A 3.3v high into the PCF8574T chip on the LCD backpack board seems to work fine.
? ? /g/BITX20/message/39966

?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:07 am, Tim Gorman wrote:
You can't just connect D4 and D5 to the SDA/SCL leads.

You need an I2C adapter added to the back of the lcd.

this is an example:

www.ebay.com/itm/Serial-IIC-I2C-Adapter-1602-1604-2002-LCD-Backpack-Arduino-FAST-SHIP-US-SELLER/171036006949?hash=item27d28a5a25:g:vNIAAOSwMmBVnc7K:sc:USPSFirstClass!66609!US!-1


Re: The new uBITX boards are here

 

Actuay it does drive 4 ohm speakers at lower operating voltage.? However at 12V you really want 32 ohm.

THe spec has 4.5V for 4ohm, 6V 8ohm, and 9V 32ohm as minimums.

Its why I put a regulator in mine to dial it down to 8V.? Less issues.

Allison


Re: Ideas for AM, NB FM Demod and CW filter board

 

And....the modified design would no longer be a BITX.
There are other low power designs out there in kit or homebrewed form that would be much
easier to modify for FM and/or AM.?





It would seem more productive to work toward an LF mod for the BITX and uBITX
designs.? LF might be more of a challenge due to antenna requirements but should be
easier to do the circuit modifications that are required.

Arv K7HKL
_._


On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 11:14 AM Tim Gorman <tgorman2@...> wrote:
For AM you would have to derate the power output from the ubitx to
about 2 watts on 80m. 2 watts on 80m would translate to about 250mw on
10m. Is that enough output for what you want?

Even narrow-band FM on the ham bands are incompatible with the 12hz SSB
filter in the ubitx. That affects both receive and transmit. And FM
power output would have to be derated just like AM.

It would be easier to design an am/fm rig from the ground up, perhaps
using the Radiuno.

tim ab0wr


On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 03:44:09 -0700
tutdavid@... wrote:

> Hi,?
>
> Yes I think this would be a great improvement to implement also AM/FM
> to the uBITX.?
>
> Does anyone have some ideas ?
>
> Thanks !





Re: Oscillation problems Bitx20a

 

I hope you are testing with a dummy load. The bitx20/40 doesn't like reactive loads.
- f

On 5 Jun 2018 9:57 pm, "Fokko PH0KKO" <kaapstad1@...> wrote:
Oscillation still occurs intermittently. mostly at an output of 3W or higher. There are a few RF leads where I could use short pieces of RG-174 coax cable. Is it best not to connect the shielding to anything, or maybe only solder the shielding to the copper plate on one side? Like between transformer T2 going to both IRF510s. I assume the impedance is not exactly 50 ohm so leave the shielding not connected to anything? The same goes for the input lead. Maybe it is better to use regular shielded wire. Any ideas what the best plan of action is here?



Re: The new uBITX boards are here

 

I have a box full of speakers from a sale. All of them work.?


On Tue, 5 Jun 2018, 22:06 Joel Caulkins, <caulktel@...> wrote:
Is there going to be a nice Hi Res picture of the Ver 4 board any time soon? I would love to see what it looks like.

Joel
N6ALT


Re: Ideas for AM, NB FM Demod and CW filter board

 

For AM you would have to derate the power output from the ubitx to
about 2 watts on 80m. 2 watts on 80m would translate to about 250mw on
10m. Is that enough output for what you want?

Even narrow-band FM on the ham bands are incompatible with the 12hz SSB
filter in the ubitx. That affects both receive and transmit. And FM
power output would have to be derated just like AM.

It would be easier to design an am/fm rig from the ground up, perhaps
using the Radiuno.

tim ab0wr


On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 03:44:09 -0700
tutdavid@... wrote:

Hi,?

Yes I think this would be a great improvement to implement also AM/FM
to the uBITX.?

Does anyone have some ideas ?

Thanks !


Re: LCD 20x4 I2C

 

You can't just connect D4 and D5 to the SDA/SCL leads.

You need an I2C adapter added to the back of the lcd.

this is an example:

www.ebay.com/itm/Serial-IIC-I2C-Adapter-1602-1604-2002-LCD-Backpack-Arduino-FAST-SHIP-US-SELLER/171036006949?hash=item27d28a5a25:g:vNIAAOSwMmBVnc7K:sc:USPSFirstClass!66609!US!-1

tim ab0wr

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 06:26:37 -0700
"matjaz via Groups.Io" <matjaz_zejn@...> wrote:

Hello,
finally have 20x4 lcd I2C
and conect SDA on D4, SCL on D5
working with UBITX_CEC_V1.08I but not working.
If try with 20x4 paralel conect like on original uBITX and
UBITX_CEC_V1.08P working fine What mistake I was made.

Bye Matjaz


Re: The new uBITX boards are here

 

Is there going to be a nice Hi Res picture of the Ver 4 board any time soon? I would love to see what it looks like.

Joel
N6ALT


Re: Oscillation problems Bitx20a

 

Oscillation still occurs intermittently. mostly at an output of 3W or higher. There are a few RF leads where I could use short pieces of RG-174 coax cable. Is it best not to connect the shielding to anything, or maybe only solder the shielding to the copper plate on one side? Like between transformer T2 going to both IRF510s. I assume the impedance is not exactly 50 ohm so leave the shielding not connected to anything? The same goes for the input lead. Maybe it is better to use regular shielded wire. Any ideas what the best plan of action is here?


Re: The new uBITX boards are here

 

I'd expect a 16 ohm load to be fine.
And if you were to blow it out somehow (I doubt it),
it's a couple $0.02 2n3904's that you will need to replace.

Jerry


On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 08:53 am, Jamie Anderson wrote:
It is the audio amp in the Ver 4 board, Q72/Q73, Q71 in the following:



Basically it looks like a little push/pull class AB amp consisting of a 2N3904, 2N3906, with a 2N3904 driver, but I don't have much experience with this circuit as all my audio amps have either been vacuum tube or some type of chip amp.

So, will this amp get damaged by a 16 ohm speaker?? Would it put out 1/4 to 1/2 watt or more?? Later today I hope to try it out but didn't want to fry anything.? I'm going to keep the bitx box itself very simple, just adding a small internal speaker that will work when nothing is plugged into the headphones jack for casual monitoring.? I guess I could add a small board with a LM386 easily, but that would draw more current when I operate from battery and add complexity inside the radio.? Any of the small class D chips might add noise inside the radio.


Re: RF power chain mods and improvements..

 

Back when I was in high school my dad had an acquaintance who happened to be a ham,
getting up in age.? In addition to a couple dozen 810 transmitting triodes and an appropriate plate transformer,
and lots of other stuff I have since forgotten, there were four Ford model T spark coils.??
The 70 lb plate transformer got dumped (unfortunately) when living out of apartments and storage units.
Still have a few 810's, may someday rig them up with a couple microwave transformers for power.

And still have those spark coils.
Maybe the regs will change back someday.

Jerry


On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 08:26 am, Bill Cromwell wrote:
Now gear from the 20s or spark gaps - you're on your own there :)


Re: Bitx 40 source file

 

Arch there is no consistency in this Amateur Github stuff.
Some builds like the kd8cec only worked once under Ubuntu but do on my iMac. Now its the other way arround Allards build is not working on the Mac and had no trouble on the Linux machine...
Thanks for your help!


Re: The new uBITX boards are here

 

It is the audio amp in the Ver 4 board, Q72/Q73, Q71 in the following:



Basically it looks like a little push/pull class AB amp consisting of a 2N3904, 2N3906, with a 2N3904 driver, but I don't have much experience with this circuit as all my audio amps have either been vacuum tube or some type of chip amp.

So, will this amp get damaged by a 16 ohm speaker?? Would it put out 1/4 to 1/2 watt or more?? Later today I hope to try it out but didn't want to fry anything.? I'm going to keep the bitx box itself very simple, just adding a small internal speaker that will work when nothing is plugged into the headphones jack for casual monitoring.? I guess I could add a small board with a LM386 easily, but that would draw more current when I operate from battery and add complexity inside the radio.? Any of the small class D chips might add noise inside the radio.


Re: Bitx 40 source file

 

Thanks Jack!

I tried to replicate but I keep running into the same error.
The file format and structure for Arduino should be the same across all platforms.

Going to fire-up a roadkill linux machine to see if that works.


Re: Building homebrew ubitx: Need pre-v3 schematic PDF. Also, source for 45M15 (45 MHz IF) filter?

 

HFsigs gets it from a chinese manufacturer called WTL Crystals. They produce it for us. Unfortunately, the minimum quantity is 2000 pieces. We are assured that they will keep producing them as long as we keep buying 2000 at a time.
After the TDA2822 fiasco, we are wary of running out of parts. It is funny that we have exhausted supplies of many parts : detent less encoders, T30-6 toroids and the audio amps!?
- f

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018, 20:09 Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io, <jgaffke=[email protected]> wrote:
I'm not worried.
HFSignals is selling thousands of boards and is watching their supply chain closely.
There are alternatives, such as building a filter from crystals, building a sharp LC filter,
going to other frequencies such as the PX1002 I pointed out earlier.

If it's of concern to you, buy some of these:
??
Minimum order is 1000 pieces, but at those prices it's still cheap enough.
And you can make a killing when supply finally does dry up.

Yes, they may disappear someday.
Everything that might have used them is moving to digital SDR.

Jerry



On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 06:06 am, David Feldman wrote:
Is the 45 Mhz IF filter (or any of it's variants that could work, including SMD) considered current factory production? Everything else in ubitx seems to be contemporary, but this part might have lifetime issue.


Re: The new uBITX boards are here

R. E. Klaus
 

The TDA2822 audio IC was originally used in portable devices designed to use 32 ohm headphones so a 16 ohm speaker would be a better choice than an 8 ohm and much better than a 4 ohm. The higher the impedance, the less current the speaker draws from the IC and the less work the IC has to do and the less heat it generates. Also unlike a resistor, speaker impedance changes with frequency and the impedance specification is always a "Nominal" specification. It will usually have a lower impedance at lower frequencies and higher impedance at higher frequencies. Speaker impedance really has little to do with how loud a speaker will be. Different speakers will have different efficiencies and you will not find a dBspl per watt spec for these small speakers.


Re: RF power chain mods and improvements..

 

Hi Jerry,

I have 'some old gear' made once upon a time (1950s). I usually operate at reduced power and I also have added filtering to get the output cleaner just to be sure. This is not a *new* issue:) Even the old gear, if operated prudently, is likely not out of spec. Now gear from the 20s or spark gaps - you're on your own there :) I'm pleased to see even new hams on here paying attention to that.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 06/05/2018 11:17 AM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't have much experience around RF design.
So take my opinion with a large grain of salt.
But here goes anyways.


On 15 meters, the spur is only 3mhz away: 45mhz-21mhz= 24mhz
That's a fairly of sharp filter for implementing in L's and C's.

There is an easy solution: don't drive the mixers with too much mike audio.
The only difficult part is determining what is too much mike audio, but
that is solvable.
/g/BITX20/message/51211
Adding that extra gain stage may be a good idea anyway, as it may make
it easier to get a consistent 10 Watts from the final. We can leave
some of the
2n3904's in place and reduce the gain per stage to 10dB.

As Howard points out, the rules (at least here in the USA) are fairly
lax below 30mhz,
We are compliant with current rules if we keep that mike audio in check
when operating at 21mhz and above.
And even if we screw up, we're still likely doing better than somebody
running some old gear from 1970.
Especially if our power level is only 10 Watts.
/g/BITX20/message/51270
/g/BITX20/message/51264

If running the uBitx into a 100 Watt linear at 21mhz and above,
I would measure the spur to make certain it was compliant.

Of course, adding filters can be a good thing, especially on 10 meters where
the spur is far from the operating frequency.
I would probably just put a bandpass filter in line with the antenna coax.

I'm surprised those mag-loop guys haven't chimed in here yet.
Would be perfect for filtering the spur when operating on 15 meters.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 07:31 am, ajparent1/KB1GMX wrote:

The good news is there are enough control signals to select either 2
or 4 band filters.
Where to put them and also add gain to make up for insertion loss
are issues.

If only one band its easy. The filter and detect that no other than
30mhz low pass is selected.
That takes a transistor and a relay. And a band pass filter for 10
or 15M, pick one.
Still needs more gain to get power out on 10M then. A MMIC with
10-12db gain good
for +5 dbm or more would do fine.

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