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Re: Low mic gain, was, show your mic

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Thank you Gordon.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Gibby
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 10:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Low mic gain, was, show your mic

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Max, your web site is very impressive! ? great work!! ?


On Apr 22, 2018, at 23:12, Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...> wrote:

Multiple people have explained how to decrease the emitter resistor in the mic amplifier stage to incrase the gain.? ?I didn't think of that, so just built a 1-transistor preamp for it and was quite happy.? ? Also had to do that for another transceiver I owned 30+ years ago.? ?Simple enough to do.? ??

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Also be careful, the average power output measured by an analog scale is far far less than the peak if if you push the apparent average way up there....all you'll be doing is pushing the peaks into non-linear splattering.? ?

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the older hams used to use oscilloscopes on their outputs so they could actually SEE when they were overmodulating.? ?Impressive amount of concern, I would say!? ? But I did get two of those type scopes for relatively cheap on ebay....use them to show people what signals look like in license classes occasionally.

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that's ham radio!

?it isn't meant to be easy

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gordon

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 11:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Low mic gain, was, show your mic

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Whenever you wish to FUND that effort, you'll easily find people who will be willing to get on your payroll!!

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If you look at that photo, there's a "clue" in that one terminal connects to the CASE.? ? And the legend that I always saw on the similar photo here:? ?? ?is also a good giveaway.

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This tutorial is another explanatory bit of information (about the first one that popped up in a google search for electret mic pinout)? ??

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That's ham radio!

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of MAX <max@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 10:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Low mic gain, was, show your mic

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Interesting.? That picture has no indication as to which is positive and which is negative.? If I didn¡¯t already know that the upper right connection was ground the picture would be useless.? I am probably offending some people but I¡¯m about fed up.? All of the correct information needs to be gathered in one place.? Call it a manual or whatever you want but ?someone who knows needs to take the time and put forth the effort to put it together.? And then all the incorrect information needs to be removed from the web.?

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Not a happy camper.

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Max K 4 O D S.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mvs Sarma
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 1:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Low mic gain, was, show your mic

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please see the photo here.
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The right side pin is for Ground.

if i recollect , a reverse polarity was also responding for voice but verey very lowand distorted.


Regards
MVS Sarma
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 10:15 PM, MAX <max@...> wrote:

Hi sarma.

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I¡¯m sure I have the polarity correct.? Someone on this list posted a drawing showing how to identify the negative terminal and I wired according to it.? I think the electret mic wouldn¡¯t work at all if polarity were reversed.? What is being powered is an ?F E T source follower.? ?I think I shouldn¡¯t have to raise my voice to get 5 watts output on 40 meters.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mvs Sarma
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 3:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] show your mic

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Max,

?please check whether the mic body is connected to chasis ground.

i mean the positive bias voltage for mic should come on independent pin and NOT to the body pin of the eletret element.

In case you are using a dynamic mic, perhaps we need more gain and your need to shout appers logical.

regards

sarma

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On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 11:27 PM, MAX <max@...> wrote:

Speaking of mics, I have to raise my voice almost to the level of shouting to get 5 watts out on 40 meters.? Is this normal or should I look for a problem?

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Max K 4 O D S.

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I've Never Lost the Wonder.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mvs Sarma
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 7:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] show your mic

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I had grabed a taperecorder mic with 3.5mm mono pin.
?replaced the cable with 2+shield.had a small pushed switchmounted and wired.
?repalced the 3.5mm momo pin to stereo pin. Here is a image of my mic.The pp9 battery helps to imagine the mic size.
regards
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Apology

MAX
 

I wish to apologize for my statements on the list last night. I'm not
going to make excuses. I shouldn't have said what I said and I know it.
I'm likely to ask some stupid questions as I go along and I hope you all
will be patient with me.

Red in the face. 73.

Max. K 4 O DS.

P. S. I was not drinking.

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Re: show your mic

Jack Purdum
 

Yep, with a #2 on it.

Jack, W8TEE


On Monday, April 23, 2018, 8:13:21 PM EDT, Paul Schumacher via Groups.Io <wnpauls@...> wrote:


was it yellow?

Paul


On Monday, April 23, 2018, 5:08:09 PM PDT, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:


Back when I was in school, I once wrote an essay with a manual graphite display generator.

Jack, W8TEE


On Monday, April 23, 2018, 7:01:26 PM EDT, William Cullison <wa8vih@...> wrote:


I made one from two carbon blocks, in a vertical configuration, with a dimpled area and a pencil sharpened at both ends.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Dexter N Muir <dexy@...> wrote:

Carbon mics need a bit more bias current. Most can be revived by physical shock, breaking up clumps of granules packed by gravity in storage/disuse.

Challenge: the carbon mic that got me into electronics and eventually Ham Radio, some 60-odd years ago!
Take a (sorta fist-size to shoe-box) cardboard box lid.
Take 2 razor blades (single-sided are best)with wires attached.
Poke those blades up through the box-lid beside each other, (just) not touching. A twist of the insulated wires might help steady them.
Take a section of pencil-lead and balance that across the blade edges.
Connect up - you've got a mic!

73
Dex, ZL2DEX



Re: Practical CW Operation? #ubitxcw

 

I put a SotaBeams DSP Audio Filter into my BITX40 and it works great. ?I have a 2nd one that I intend to use for my uBITX.
If you don't want to fuss with installing it in the rig you can get an enclosure for the filter and use it externally on different rigs.
These filters outperform any active audio filter I have ever used.?



There is also a small circuit board that is available from QRP Guys for the W0EB uBITX CW conditioning adaptor.
This helps to make the CW keying more reliable.?


Re: Teensy 3.5/3.6 upgrade for uBITX

 

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Jack

Well said. New tech license holders have a low cost incentive to get their general ticket and be able to join the community without fear of a steep investment.?

Art - N2AJO?


On Apr 23, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I said almost the same thing a day or two ago...it has some really nice features, like a 12-bit ADC (4096 instead of 1024). Another important plus is that it can be programmed and run in the Arduino IDE.

Jack, W8TEE


On Monday, April 23, 2018, 7:01:53 PM EDT, Kees T <windy10605@...> wrote:


In keeping in line with Farhan's $100 goal for the Transceiver, I would seriously look at using the "Protoneer" mentioned by some others. It has the "Nano" form factor, is Arduino Zero based, runs at 3x the Nano speed, has 8x the Nano flash memory, 16x the Nano RAM, and has a DAC. Seems like that is a great opportunity to sweep in some open source code like that K3NG has for his keyer, other modes of operation, and many, many, more features over time. 256KB of flash memory is a LOT of available space. The Protoneer is $10 and you can get a group together to save on the $5 postage from NZ. I'm sure there are plenty of firmware writers out there.

73 Kees K5BCQ


Re: show your mic

 

was it yellow?

Paul


On Monday, April 23, 2018, 5:08:09 PM PDT, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:


Back when I was in school, I once wrote an essay with a manual graphite display generator.

Jack, W8TEE


On Monday, April 23, 2018, 7:01:26 PM EDT, William Cullison <wa8vih@...> wrote:


I made one from two carbon blocks, in a vertical configuration, with a dimpled area and a pencil sharpened at both ends.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Dexter N Muir <dexy@...> wrote:

Carbon mics need a bit more bias current. Most can be revived by physical shock, breaking up clumps of granules packed by gravity in storage/disuse.

Challenge: the carbon mic that got me into electronics and eventually Ham Radio, some 60-odd years ago!
Take a (sorta fist-size to shoe-box) cardboard box lid.
Take 2 razor blades (single-sided are best)with wires attached.
Poke those blades up through the box-lid beside each other, (just) not touching. A twist of the insulated wires might help steady them.
Take a section of pencil-lead and balance that across the blade edges.
Connect up - you've got a mic!

73
Dex, ZL2DEX



Re: show your mic

Jack Purdum
 

Back when I was in school, I once wrote an essay with a manual graphite display generator.

Jack, W8TEE


On Monday, April 23, 2018, 7:01:26 PM EDT, William Cullison <wa8vih@...> wrote:


I made one from two carbon blocks, in a vertical configuration, with a dimpled area and a pencil sharpened at both ends.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Dexter N Muir <dexy@...> wrote:

Carbon mics need a bit more bias current. Most can be revived by physical shock, breaking up clumps of granules packed by gravity in storage/disuse.

Challenge: the carbon mic that got me into electronics and eventually Ham Radio, some 60-odd years ago!
Take a (sorta fist-size to shoe-box) cardboard box lid.
Take 2 razor blades (single-sided are best)with wires attached.
Poke those blades up through the box-lid beside each other, (just) not touching. A twist of the insulated wires might help steady them.
Take a section of pencil-lead and balance that across the blade edges.
Connect up - you've got a mic!

73
Dex, ZL2DEX



Re: Teensy 3.5/3.6 upgrade for uBITX

Jack Purdum
 

I said almost the same thing a day or two ago...it has some really nice features, like a 12-bit ADC (4096 instead of 1024). Another important plus is that it can be programmed and run in the Arduino IDE.

Jack, W8TEE


On Monday, April 23, 2018, 7:01:53 PM EDT, Kees T <windy10605@...> wrote:


In keeping in line with Farhan's $100 goal for the Transceiver, I would seriously look at using the "Protoneer" mentioned by some others. It has the "Nano" form factor, is Arduino Zero based, runs at 3x the Nano speed, has 8x the Nano flash memory, 16x the Nano RAM, and has a DAC. Seems like that is a great opportunity to sweep in some open source code like that K3NG has for his keyer, other modes of operation, and many, many, more features over time. 256KB of flash memory is a LOT of available space. The Protoneer is $10 and you can get a group together to save on the $5 postage from NZ. I'm sure there are plenty of firmware writers out there.

73 Kees K5BCQ


Re: Teensy 3.5/3.6 upgrade for uBITX

Jack Purdum
 

I see the complexity and cost growing exponentially. That's fine but I really don't see the uBIT-X as suited for going in that direction.??

It depends.? If you can fabricate a transceiver that competes with a rig costing 3x as much, why not? If your interest is hacking and DSP, why not? If you are trying to improve a rig with new/better features, why not? If you can have something that's better than, say an RS-918 at half the price, why not? Have you noticed how many people are standing on Farhan's shoulders and making his work even better? Also, an exponential cost function is probably not the case for most of the experiments that are going on right now. Look at the improvements Ian Lee has developed with almost no cost to the user. A lot of us are trying to convince the Techs with an HT and complaints that 2M offers nothing that their cell phone can't do to upgrade to General with an HF rig with reasonable power, features, and frequency agility. A lot of us are just working to move the tipping point for a lot of sideline people and if one of these new features pushes them over the edge...why not?

That's the real genius that Farhan brought to the table: A rig that has the potential to make a lot of people sit up and take notice.

Jack, W8TEE



On Monday, April 23, 2018, 7:33:17 PM EDT, Kees T <windy10605@...> wrote:


To continue a little further.....I see those who are interested in DSP and other number crunching applications will require a RPi, Teensy 3.5/3.6, or STM32F4xx/STM32F7xxx microcontrollers for standalone operation or as computer frontends. As a result, I see the complexity and cost growing exponentially. That's fine but I really don't see the uBIT-X as suited for going in that direction.? ?

As Farahan said:??The ?BITX circuit design is simple enough to fit a single page. It¡¯s simplicity encourages you to modify, change and experiment (but keep it simple)......The ?BITX aims to fulfill such a need. It is a compact, single board design that covers the entire HF range with a few minor trade-offs.

73 Kees K5BCQ


Re: Teensy 3.5/3.6 upgrade for uBITX

 

To continue a little further.....I see those who are interested in DSP and other number crunching applications will require a RPi, Teensy 3.5/3.6, or STM32F4xx/STM32F7xxx microcontrollers for standalone operation or as computer frontends. As a result, I see the complexity and cost growing exponentially. That's fine but I really don't see the uBIT-X as suited for going in that direction.? ?

As Farahan said:??The ?BITX circuit design is simple enough to fit a single page. It¡¯s simplicity encourages you to modify, change and experiment (but keep it simple)......The ?BITX aims to fulfill such a need. It is a compact, single board design that covers the entire HF range with a few minor trade-offs.

73 Kees K5BCQ


Bitx20A bandspread

 

finally after all the years running a stock 20A I¡¯ve done the voltage stabilizing mod and the varactor tuning mod with a 10turn pot, and I think I¡¯ve worked out the L7 windings now to get into the phone section of the band. But as a result, the band spread is only about 25khz.?
I remember doing a tuning mod on a sw40+ Using a 10turn pot and the bandspread was small. There I added capacitance in the VFO and get nearly 100khz band spread with a 10turn pot.?
I¡¯m thinking that by increasing C39 on the Bitx20A I should get more bandspread? ?Has anyone done this? I¡¯m I going in the right direction? I¡¯ll try it nevertheless but I didn¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel. Any guidance? Thanks!
72/73 de Chas ai4ot


Re: Teensy 3.5/3.6 upgrade for uBITX

 

In keeping in line with Farhan's $100 goal for the Transceiver, I would seriously look at using the "Protoneer" mentioned by some others. It has the "Nano" form factor, is Arduino Zero based, runs at 3x the Nano speed, has 8x the Nano flash memory, 16x the Nano RAM, and has a DAC. Seems like that is a great opportunity to sweep in some open source code like that K3NG has for his keyer, other modes of operation, and many, many, more features over time. 256KB of flash memory is a LOT of available space. The Protoneer is $10 and you can get a group together to save on the $5 postage from NZ. I'm sure there are plenty of firmware writers out there.

73 Kees K5BCQ


Re: show your mic

William Cullison
 

I made one from two carbon blocks, in a vertical configuration, with a dimpled area and a pencil sharpened at both ends.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Dexter N Muir <dexy@...> wrote:

Carbon mics need a bit more bias current. Most can be revived by physical shock, breaking up clumps of granules packed by gravity in storage/disuse.

Challenge: the carbon mic that got me into electronics and eventually Ham Radio, some 60-odd years ago!
Take a (sorta fist-size to shoe-box) cardboard box lid.
Take 2 razor blades (single-sided are best)with wires attached.
Poke those blades up through the box-lid beside each other, (just) not touching. A twist of the insulated wires might help steady them.
Take a section of pencil-lead and balance that across the blade edges.
Connect up - you've got a mic!

73
Dex, ZL2DEX



Re: Erratic tuning with my new uBitx

 

Thanks Ron I'll have a look at WeeWx
73 Chris


Re: Teensy 3.5/3.6 upgrade for uBITX

 

I'd bet worst case latency on a not seriously loaded RPi is less than the
milliseconds it takes us to load a new clock frequency into the si5351 via 100khz i2c.

A google for "Rasberry Pi RT" shows there are real time variants of the kernel.
I've got no idea how real time.?

There are some going without linux, programming the bare metal.

But I like the idea of still using a simple microntroller for basic rig control.
Being something of a pessimist, I'd prefer not to depend on something
as complex as the RPi,?too many billions of things that could go wrong.

Jerry


On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 11:01 am, Robert Weiman wrote:
The one big difference in this application between the Raspberry Pi and a micro-controller like the Teensy and the Arduinos is how much overhead the OS imposes.? Linux is a full blown consumer OS and is not a real-time OS.? It can impose non-deterministic delays on how long it takes to respond to an interrupt / toggle an I/O pin / etc.? On most of the hobby micro-controllers, there is significantly less overhead imposed by minimal, almost not really an OS, provided by the Arduino build environment.? Personally, I will add a PI to my uBitx build, but it won't be replacing the micro-controller in the Raduino - more augmenting the system by providing higher level software and interfaces (Digital modes, etc).??


Re: Transmitter Mods

 

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So far I received 10 requests for parts as of now. I have mailed out today 7, the remaining 3 will be in the mail tomorrow. I expect the results to vary, because it if transistor dependent. Please let us know how it works for you.
Also, thanks for sending me the QRP sticker. Some sent me money, which is a nice thought, but completely unnecessary. I have these 2 reels of parts, with 1000s of parts on each left over from an old business. The parts are 20 years old, so they have no resale value. I'm just happy they are being put to good use.
I am working on some other changes, AGC and S meter. The AGC works well, but the S meter, not so well, so I need to work more on that. I will post the work when I finish. After that I will work on the 70 watt amp, which I mentioned before, and probably a preamp.

Howard



On 4/20/2018 7:14 PM, Chris Clarke wrote:

Howard

I don't normally do SMD but this sounds like a good idea ... I'll need to order some for this side of the pond, but which physical SMD sizes are these components?

73 Chris
G3SQU



Re: UBITX Assemly Wiki Page #ubitx

 

Sorry, should have said "sockets" instead of "switches".

-Jonathan


Re: UBITX Assemly Wiki Page #ubitx

 

Bob,

Nice diagram!?? I had a question about your "N/C" notation on the switches.? In some cases the line between the pins marked with N/C is solid and dashed in others.? What is the intent of the notation?

Thanks

-Jonathan? KF6RTA


Re: show your mic

 

Carbon mics need a bit more bias current. Most can be revived by physical shock, breaking up clumps of granules packed by gravity in storage/disuse.

Challenge: the carbon mic that got me into electronics and eventually Ham Radio, some 60-odd years ago!
Take a (sorta fist-size to shoe-box) cardboard box lid.
Take 2 razor blades (single-sided are best)with wires attached.
Poke those blades up through the box-lid beside each other, (just) not touching. A twist of the insulated wires might help steady them.
Take a section of pencil-lead and balance that across the blade edges.
Connect up - you've got a mic!

73
Dex, ZL2DEX


Re: Upgrade the software to Allard's version #radiuno #bitx40help #nano

M Garza
 

Sergio,
Please look at this message (/g/BITX20/message/21621).? Randy K7AGE measured all of the transistor voltages and attached them as a PDF.? Please measure the voltages on your board and compare to the document.? If you find something that is very different, that is probably your issue.

Hope this helps.

Marco - KG5PRT

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:52 PM, SaMa photo SaMa photo <infosamaphoto@...> wrote:
Thanks Raj
it's the first thing I did! I checked all the connections!
By turning the VFO, the QRM increases on some frequencies but no QSO is heard. But stopping on one of these frequencies, if you remove the antenna the QRM should go to zero but instead it does not change anything! it's as if the antenna is not connected! I checked the antenna line up to the first transistor, passing through the relays and the frequency coils and everything is OK! See the attached diagram! I checked the one marked in yellow!
Thank you
Sergio