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Re: uBitX Working but bad audio

 

Umm, yes.

If you wire the phone jack such that the audio out is going to both tip and ring,
then plug in a mono plug with just tip (and sleeve at ground),
then the audio out gets shorted to ground, and you get no sound at all.

I guess headphones with stereo plug would sound "better" than no sound at all.
Depending on individual preferences.
My significant other generally prefers the latter when it comes to ham gear.

Jerry



On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 09:40 am, <jrromes1@...> wrote:
The message # for the problem with using a mono plug for the speaker is #42601


Re: The issues of the TDA2822

 

Farhan

Possibly use an op-amp for the audio pre-amp and follow it with an NPN-PNP
pair.? Feedback from the NPN-PNP cathodes to input of the op-amp (with resistive
divider to set gain) and you have a composite replacement for integrated audio
amplifiers.

This could be an interesting small circuit board for use in many projects, or even
as a stand-alone audio amp for the workbench.

Arv
_._


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:01 AM, Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote:
John, others,

Given our experience of the non-generic ICs going out of production, it is best to stick to either discrete or generic ICs. The bitx20 will soon be a 15 year old design. The NorCal is probably older and still being built. We will have to choose parts that are going to be around for a long time, that are easily substituted. This means, we must work with large design margins, discrete or generic ICs.?

Given these limitations, we are pretty much limited to either op-amps or discrete devices.?

Opinions?


- f

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:41 AM, Konstantinos Konstas <constantine170@...> wrote:
Hi all.
A discrete components design could be more tolerable imho.
Plus it leaves more space for hacks/mods.
Possibly on a small boatd.
Konstantinos, SV1ONW.

On Mar 7, 2018 07:48, "N8DAH" <Dherron@...> wrote:

I put this in today just drop right in and its part status is active


--
David

?N8DAH




Re: Micro BitX No Audio TDA2822?

 

Ron N4RT



Scroll to the bottom for the full schematic.

Arv? K7HKL
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Ron Thomas <n4rt@...> wrote:
Ok, I am new to this group and have just assembled my micro bitx.? I sent an earlier message to the group explaining that I have no audio.?

After reading some of the posts regarding the TDA2822 chip, is it possible that I have somehow blown the audio amp while plugging in headphones or external speaker using the supplied audio jack?

I've not heard any noise from the speaker or headphones at any time... no pops or other noises at all.

The rig powers up and appears to tune just fine (I haven't tried to transmit yet) but after not getting any audio, I stopped at that point.

Where should I probe with voltmeter or oscope to see where I'm losing audio?? Any troubleshooting tips anyone could share would be most appreciated.

Is there a schematic of the board somewhere that I can download?

Sorry for all the questions but I don't know much about this rig.

73,

Ron N4RT



UBit has shipped

 

I got the heads up form PayPal that my uBit has shipped.? Ordered on Jan. 8,2018, almost 2 months to day.? I still have wire up the Bit40, plus other projects, I am probably the only ham that has that problem...? Will the group know when I receive the package.
john kg9dk


Re: uBitX Working but bad audio

 

What's this reference?
My guess is that they are telling you that in the bridge configuration of the TDA2822M
where both halves are used out of phase, you must use a stereo jack to external speaker.
Take a look at the TDA2822M datasheet and all should be clear, neither wire to the speaker can be grounded
when in bridge configuration.

However, the uBitx uses only one channel of the part, so it's ok if one of the speaker wires is grounded.

I can believe that switching to $200 Bose headphones improved the sound.
They have some really nice headphones.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 09:36 am, <jrromes1@...> wrote:
Hi David,
I have the TDA2822M in mine.? I found a reference where they indicated that you must use a stereo plug for an external speaker.? I was using a Kenwood SP23 thinking quality but found it had a mono plug on it which is advertised as a no no.? I switched to Bose headphones and my audio cleared considerably.? I'm thinking that was possibly a major cause of some of my problem.? Stay tuned!!
73,
John WW3JR


Re: uBitX Working but bad audio

 

David,

The message # for the problem with using a mono plug for the speaker is #42601

J


Re: TDA2822 experiments and mods

 

ST makes the 78L** parts in a SOT-89 package.
Same package as U2, the 78L05 for the IRF510 gate bias.

TI and Fairchild LM78L** parts only come in the SOIC-8 and TO-90 (also some dinky BGA that we don't want to talk about).
Digikey and Mouser don't sell ST's SOT-89, so a bit harder to obtain.
The SOIC-8 should do fine, solder the ground pins to the ground plane for heat transfer.
The TO92 could work, though likely heat up faster cuz the heat has nowhere to go.

Yes, I'd expect the max available current from a 78L09 to limit maximum audio level.
Though apparently enough audio for Raj, and limiting that current does protect the 2822.
If it gets to be too much current for the 78L09, it will shut down till it cools off.
Just what we want, if it's enough audio power for your situation.

If you want more power and less protection, use the 1 Amp TO220 LM7809 (or 08 or 06 or 05) face down, flat on the board.
ST sells the 1 Amp L78** in the Dpak/TO252 package, about the same as the TO220.
TI sells the 500ma? LM78M** in the Dpak/TO252 package, might be an ideal solution for moderate levels of current.

Any of the above could be made to work, any regulator from 5 to 9 volts.
Assuming you don't have one of the clones made from factory floor sweepings that smokes at 7v.

I tried following the power traces around, I believe cutting the trace Raj shows in his picture
only affects the TDA2822.? However, it's possible some other section of the uBitx is also getting
voltage reduced, this should be checked for.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 08:24 am, Tim Gorman wrote:
I like this solution.

I can't quite see what is printed on your unit but it seems to be an
SOT-89 type package. I can't find any 7809 units in that configuration.
I can find them in the D2pak or the to252-3 style. I assume either of
those would work as well?

You say you used a 70L09 but aren't those only rated to about 100ma?
That wouldn't seem to be high enough to handle heavy loads from the
2822.


Re: uBitX Working but bad audio

 

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 04:52 pm, N8DAH wrote:
TDA2822
Hi David,
I have the TDA2822M in mine.? I found a reference where they indicated that you must use a stereo plug for an external speaker.? I was using a Kenwood SP23 thinking quality but found it had a mono plug on it which is advertised as a no no.? I switched to Bose headphones and my audio cleared considerably.? I'm thinking that was possibly a major cause of some of my problem.? Stay tuned!!
73,
John WW3JR


Re: TDA2822 Replacement

 

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Re: The issues of the TDA2822

Vince Vielhaber
 

How about the wiper of the volume pot?

Vince.

On 03/07/2018 12:07 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
For my part I'd be happy with the provision of an audio take-off
connector on board. That way I can run whatever drop-in module or
external powered speaker I like.

Paul ZS2OE
--
Michigan VHF Corp.


Re: The issues of the TDA2822

 

For my part I'd be happy with the provision of an audio take-off connector on board. That way I can run whatever drop-in module or external powered speaker I like.

Paul ZS2OE


Re: The issues of the TDA2822

 

Maybe Claude is your Santa:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/43156
The uBitx needs the extra gain of a 1uF cap between pins 1 and 8 as on the Bitx40.
(The 0.1uF cap of post 43189 is likely not adequate.)

So yes, the audio power amp is fairly easy to build a daughterboard for.
The band switching relays provide plenty of holes for mounting a daughterboard there if somebody wants to mess with the LPF's.
The two TR switching relays likewise provide nice holes for a solid state TR switch solution.
The transformers provide handy holes to mount daughterboards to replace the diode ring mixers and parts of the transmit PA.
The bidi amps are probably fine as they are, seem to work well.? If you want a different amp, put it on a mixer daughterboard.
I'd like to see additional holes for mounting daughterboards over the other filters, the 30mhz LPF, the 45mhz, and the 12mhz.
Maybe some thought of making it easier to substitute audio preamps for mike and rx, also the modulator on the next rev board?

But really, 1206 pads are big enough to hack wires to.
The uBitx is almost modular enough as it is for my purposes.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 05:12 am, Raj vu2zap wrote:

What I have been asking Santa aka Farhan is for a similar circuit that just plugs in to the existing 8 pins.
No need for output caps and such as it is already there!


Re: Modifying Bitx40 BPF band pass filter

 

Thanks Satish, John and Arv.

I did not have the BPF connected at the time of experimenting. But it would probably lower the signal even more. So it's best to get a strong signal before I attempt modifying the BPF. Satish makes a very good point, there is a 0.2 V loss in the 1N4841 diodes of course. Why did I not think of that myself? I did pass the exam but it's been a while. ;)

I will try John's suggestion and crank up the signal a bit to around 0.6Vp-p. Will post here how it turned out.

Arv, I use small pieces of (leftover) copper clad board, about 2.5 x 4 cm in size, around 1 by 2 inch per module and simply solder the components on dead bug style. I cut some small squares and glue them on as solder-islands where needed. The modular approach is great because you can test them individually. When I get to the final I will need a slightly bigger board and when everything is finished I will put all small prints on a larger board. Maybe put some 12V, TX and RX rails on it and I will call it the motherboard as well.


Re: Not receiving #ubitx

 

Ok my fault.? I assumed that since band select stopped at 2000 khz it didn't go lower.? Tuned in 1530 and it comes in with static but intelligible.
--
Jason Schlager
KM6AUS


Re: ubitx order

 

Graham,

A current limiter on the PA is not a good idea. That would be the
same as overdriving the PA and causing "flat-topping". That causes all
kinds of spurious responses in your transmitted signal.

You would be much better off just fusing it so an over-current
condition is stopped and will notify you when it happens.

My opinion, YMMV.

tim ab0wr

On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:21:36 -0800
"Graham W" <gram.warrington@...> wrote:

Well... my UbitX came Mar 5/18.. Was ordered Dec 20/17.. Serial # is
728/02 . Raduino serial # is 805/2 . I am putting it in a Banggood
case. I am also going to use a larger heat sink on 510's and put a
current limiter on the PA power line. That might help. The 8222 IC is
FCI one so should be safe. I am very impressed with the package and
the plastic box. Now the fun begins ! Graham
VE3WGW


Re: Micro BitX No Audio TDA2822?

 

Does the 2073D work as well or better than the TDA2822?

thanks,

Paul K0ZYV



From: N8DAH <Dherron@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Micro BitX No Audio TDA2822?

The Ubitxv3.pdf has it
If you have no sound of any kind and the U1 chip has TDA2822 WX on it then its a safe bet the chip is blown. You have a few options for drops ins such as 2073D which is what I used to replace my blown TDA2822
--
David
?N8DAH



Re: TDA2822 experiments and mods

 

I like this solution.

I can't quite see what is printed on your unit but it seems to be an
SOT-89 type package. I can't find any 7809 units in that configuration.
I can find them in the D2pak or the to252-3 style. I assume either of
those would work as well?

You say you used a 70L09 but aren't those only rated to about 100ma?
That wouldn't seem to be high enough to handle heavy loads from the
2822.

tim ab0wr

On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 18:01:05 +0530
"Raj vu2zap" <rajendrakumargg@...> wrote:

Solution 3: 78L09. the center lead looks soldered but it is floating
but the tab is soldered to the copper below it. The white wire is my
fix for prevent the filter relays from clicking during PTT. Yes the
board needs a brush cleaning!

The audio is fine but distorts at high volume. The 9V voltage out
does not drop at max volume.

Emacs!




At 06-03-18, you wrote:

I did some experiments with the chip failure.

FCI chips were sourced locally and plugged in. No failure with
normal volume. I raised the volume to a high level and the chip
failed immediately!

Solutions

1: Add a resistor in series with the 12V line maybe 10-15 ohms to
drop the voltage.

2. Simple solution is to use only a 16 Ohm speaker or add a series
8-10 Ohm resistor with the 8 ohm speakers.

3. Cut the power track to the TDA and insert a 78L08 or 9 to reduce
the voltage. There is a track which can be cut
and a SMD or leaded regulator can be soldered on the board. This
track leads directly to the chip and filter cap.

The second solution may be the simplest.

Further experimentation scheduled for tomorrow!


Re: TDA2822 experiments and mods

 

There's more than one failure mode.
The bad clones like the DX can't tolerate 12v.
A good part might eventually go if you exceed the power dissipation rating
by running it at high volume with a 12v supply into a low impedance load.

But yes, voltage spikes are worth checking for, and fixing if they exist.
Would be a problem with the power supply, not the uBitx.
A 12v low dropout regulator for the supply into the main uBitx board (but not the PA-PWR for the finals)
would fix this.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 07:11 am, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
I don't think we're going to find a heat issue. It's happened to people just turning the rig on which leads me to believe there's a spike. The chip is already running on the edge, a small spike could certainly send it over the cliff.


Re: Shipping Day uBit "Better Raduino"

 

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Well it is time to get off the Pot and ship the first of the new Ubit RaduinoUMax.

Working like a beaver here since the PCBs arrived Friday!

The MAX is for the 16 Added I/O pins on the end of the PCB.?? It makes the PCB a little longer, but still fits into uBit Radio PCB.

I2C control gives you 16 more 5V digital In or Outs.

Uses Adafruits Library for simple control of them.? 3 I2C address jumpers to make sure you can use other I2C items.

73's

Mike, WA6ISP


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Re: Micro BitX No Audio TDA2822?

 

Ron,

The audio is available from the yellow and green ground. You could connect that to an ampli speaker and confirm.
If that is working then replace the amp U1.

Raj

At 07-03-18, you wrote:
Ok, I am new to this group and have just assembled my micro bitx. I sent an earlier message to the group explaining that I have no audio.

After reading some of the posts regarding the TDA2822 chip, is it possible that I have somehow blown the audio amp while plugging in headphones or external speaker using the supplied audio jack?