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Re: U1 fried

 

NJM2073D seems to be a replacement for TDA2822, price is about one dollar:



73 Allard PE1NWL

On Thu, March 1, 2018 01:45, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
Ah, the TDA82822D part in the SOIC8 package is a good find.
Feeling much better now!

Digikey has it for a bit over a dollar (Mouser says a minimum buy of
2000).
Maybe hfsignals will move to the more easily gotten SMD part if they ever
roll the board.
Though I'm pretty sure I could solder the SMD into place with just some
short wires,
not bothering with the adapter board.

The chip is rated to work with a 4?? load so a 4?? resistor should do. I
doubt the chip would blow so fast that FB fuse wouldn?€?t protect it.
Yes, I think a 4 ohm resistor would probably do, I was getting rather
cautious when I saw how hard the M part was to obtain.
I'm suspicious that with a 12v supply it is close to the edge, they seem
to blow with little provocation.
Most of the datasheet seems to assume a max of 9v.
The fact that it works down to 1.8v reinforces this notion.

The fuse might protect it, depends on the failure mode.
The fuse costs about as much as the TDA2822D.

Jerry

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 04:02 pm, Clark Martin wrote:


The TDA2822D in effect replaces the ?€?M?€? version. ??It appears the
same
except it?€?s an SMD part. ??You can get SMD to through hole adapter
boards
that would let you use one with the ??BitX. ??It would likely be cheaper
than buying the ?€?M?€? version.
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Re: Results of MAX9814 in uBitx #ubitx

John
 

Thanks Tim.

One additional benefit of the MAX9814 solution is the reduction in TX pops both when switching in and out of Tx mode. How much reduction is dependant on the sensitivity. At 30% input volume it's total, at 7-10% it's partial but enough in my opinion.

All the best, 73, John


Re: U1 fried

 

Ah, the TDA82822D part in the SOIC8 package is a good find.
Feeling much better now!

Digikey has it for a bit over a dollar (Mouser says a minimum buy of 2000).
Maybe hfsignals will move to the more easily gotten SMD part if they ever roll the board.
Though I'm pretty sure I could solder the SMD into place with just some short wires,
not bothering with the adapter board.

> The chip is rated to work with a 4¦¸ load so a 4¦¸ resistor should do. I doubt the chip would blow so fast that FB fuse wouldn¡¯t protect it.

Yes, I think a 4 ohm resistor would probably do, I was getting rather cautious when I saw how hard the M part was to obtain.
I'm suspicious that with a 12v supply it is close to the edge, they seem to blow with little provocation.
Most of the datasheet seems to assume a max of 9v.
The fact that it works down to 1.8v reinforces this notion.

The fuse might protect it, depends on the failure mode.
The fuse costs about as much as the TDA2822D.

Jerry


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 04:02 pm, Clark Martin wrote:
The TDA2822D in effect replaces the ¡°M¡± version. ?It appears the same except it¡¯s an SMD part. ?You can get SMD to through hole adapter boards that would let you use one with the ?BitX. ?It would likely be cheaper than buying the ¡°M¡± version.
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Re: UBitx no audio! Could use some advise

 

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Ok! So I tried what was suggested and here is what I found.?
R253 was bad and ?I was able to replace but that did not fix.?
I suspect a blown TDA2822M. I have one on order, so now I wait until it arrives and I swap it out. ?If there are still issues I will continue to work the problem and post if I get stuck again. Thanks Jerry!

-Brett Deschene
KN4AQC?

On Feb 28, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> wrote:

Remove PA-PWR from the rig so the IRF510's won't be working, then try sending CW.
Does the sidetone come through the speaker?? If not, you have a very simple?
path from CW-TONE to the speaker to debug.? Perhaps wire a speaker between?
the junction of R250,R251 and ground, should hear the sidetone there if it's coming?
out of the Nano properly.?
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If not, triple check connections at the volume pot and out to the speaker.


Many here have reported a blown TDA2822M, apparently due to shorting the speaker line to ground.
Probably best to add a series resistance of 4 to 8 ohms at the output of the TDA2822M and/or
reducing the supply voltage to the TDA2822M:? ? ??/g/BITX20/message/42723

If you suspect a blown TDA2822M, you could of course swap that chip out.
Hard to get as NXP has discontinued manufacture, perhaps now cloned in China?
An alternative is to google for "lm386 kit", and wire that into the volume control pot.
Perhaps permanently.

If you hear the sidetone when transmitting CW but no receiver audio, try soldering a wire
across nodes M1,M2 in case the relay at K2 is not working properly.? Does that fix receiver audio?

Can you hear a pop when stroking C50 with a screwdriver?

Beyond that, perhaps try the tricks shown in this video on receiver debug.
The wire he uses is just 3 or 4 feet of hookup wire, nothing on the other end,
it is acting as an antenna to pickup up random noise.
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Be sure to restore the hacks I suggested (PA-PWR removed and M1,M2 short) before
trying to operate the rig.

Jerry, KE7ER




On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 04:20 am, Brett Deschene wrote:
Audio is completely nonexistent. No sidetone heard from CW, no static, hissing, popping, nothing.
I am pretty sure the issue is something simple and located on the board somehow but even with the schematic of the received audio path I just do not know how to diagnose and am not sure where on the board to take readings. Any help would be much appreciated.


Re: U1 fried - Replacement

 





73's
WA5RDG


Re: U1 fried

 

The chip is rated to work with a 4¦¸ load so a 4¦¸ resistor should do. I doubt the chip would blow so fast that FB fuse wouldn¡¯t protect it.


Clark Martin
KK6ISP

On Feb 28, 2018, at 4:00 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> wrote:

Better be a pretty darn fast fuse.

I'll go with an 8 ohm 1/2 watt series resistor to limit current.
At least till I find a good source for TDA2822M chips.
I'm fairly certain that resistor will offer sufficient protection.


Re: U1 fried

 

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The TDA2822D in effect replaces the ¡°M¡± version. ?It appears the same except it¡¯s an SMD part. ?You can get SMD to through hole adapter boards that would let you use one with the ?BitX. ?It would likely be cheaper than buying the ¡°M¡± version.

An example of the adapter board:


And plug headers to plug them into an IC socket (or solder in).




Clark Martin
KK6ISP

On Feb 28, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> wrote:

So where did you get your spare TDA2822M's?

The TDA2822M is $7 for two on ebay, quite expensive for what it is.
Mainline distributors like Mouser and Digikey say it's discontinued.
ST no longer makes it, sources may be drying up.

My uBitx has a part on it marked "TDA2822M" but no ST logo, not sure who makes it.


Re: U1 fried

 

Better be a pretty darn fast fuse.

I'll go with an 8 ohm 1/2 watt series resistor to limit current.
At least till I find a good source for TDA2822M chips.
I'm fairly certain that resistor will offer sufficient protection.

Jerry


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 03:51 pm, Clark Martin wrote:
The TDA2822M data sheet lists an absolute maximum one amp output output current. ?Since this chip is apparently prone to blowing out on short circuit?I would add a .5A fast blow fuse in the speaker line, between the PCB and the headphone jack. ?It doesn¡¯t need a fuse holder, it could be soldered in (using a fuse with pigtail leads). ?It would still be easier and cheaper to replace than the amp IC.
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I¡¯ll likely add this mod to my ?Bitx. ?I don¡¯t intend to short it out but then almost no one does.
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Re: U1 fried

 

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The TDA2822M data sheet lists an absolute maximum one amp output output current. ?Since this chip is apparently prone to blowing out on short circuit?I would add a .5A fast blow fuse in the speaker line, between the PCB and the headphone jack. ?It doesn¡¯t need a fuse holder, it could be soldered in (using a fuse with pigtail leads). ?It would still be easier and cheaper to replace than the amp IC.

I¡¯ll likely add this mod to my ?Bitx. ?I don¡¯t intend to short it out but then almost no one does.


Clark Martin
KK6ISP

On Feb 28, 2018, at 2:22 PM, John <jjczon@...> wrote:

I fried mine when I plugged in a stereo sony noise canceling headset.
So it does not only happen with mono plugs.

Hopefully the spare TDAs with sockets will arrive soon so Incan start troubleshooting my no power problem.
To be on the safe side and avoid another wait I also ordered some IRFs ;)


Re: ubitx pcb size

 



On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 at 11:55 AM, Joe Parisella <joe.parisella@...> wrote:
can one confirm the actual dimension of the ubitx board L by W ?

Tnx


Re: troubleshooting no TX SSB #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Don't know when I get to it.. but I will follow your lead.
I already ordered some germanium diodes to build a RF probe.

To be continued..

John


Re: troubleshooting no TX SSB #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Yes, if you can transmit CW then it has to be somewhere between Q6 and Q22,
since CW is transmittted by unbalancing the modulator immediately following Q22.
If the receiver works, then the three mixers and local oscillator are ok.
So if you still have trouble transmitting SSB, then it's Q6 or one of the bidi amps on the TX side,
and the bidi amps seldom give us trouble.

You could try unbalancing the modulator by injecting 5vdc through a series 4.7k resistor
at T7 pin 3 (and pin 5).? This is how we generated CW on the Bitx40:??
? ??
If that does transmit CW, then it has to be around Q6.

Your 10mhz scope may just barely see something in the 12mhz IF section through Q42,?
and probably nothing at all in the 45mhz IF section at Q20,21,22.
If you wind up debugging those sections, you may need to build a diode RF probe or something similar.

Jerry


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 02:50 pm, John wrote:
But as CW seemed to work the first day I thought I had to look somewhere in the modulating circuitry. Have the schematics


ubitx pcb size

Joe Parisella
 

can one confirm the actual dimension of the ubitx board L by W ?

Tnx


Re: U1 fried

 

I ordered them from China, but on eBay I found an US seller with the TDA2822L. Specs seemed to be similar.

Maybe I was to slow plugging the headset I.

John


Re: Ubitx case #ubitx

Mike Lichtman
 

Let me second Neil's evaluation of Carl¡¯s cases. They are excellent and he is a great ham to deal with. 73 Mike KF6KXG


Re: troubleshooting no TX SSB #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

I did have power on CW, at least the first day before so smoked U1 with a stereo Sony noise canceling headset.
I didn't have my straight key yet bit i just shorted a cord that i had plugged in the key jack.

Had some trouble getting the scope to sync but the signal on the collector of Q6 was much stronger than the Mic input.

Scope has 10MHz bandwidth so it should work on the lower bands.

Most likely the TDA will arrive saturday than i can start from scratch again.
Will measure the voltages as you mentioned. But as CW seemed to work the first day I thought I had to look somewhere in the modulating circuitry. Have the schematics printed but in my professional career I worked more with higher voltages.
Am not afraid to try but just need some guidance as I am fairly new to radio electronics.

John


Re: U1 fried

 

So where did you get your spare TDA2822M's?

The TDA2822M is $7 for two on ebay, quite expensive for what it is.
Mainline distributors like Mouser and Digikey say it's discontinued.
ST no longer makes it, sources may be drying up.

My uBitx has a part on it marked "TDA2822M" but no ST logo, not sure who makes it.

Banggood has this amp, photos show it to be stuffed with a UTC2822H clone, but I'm having no luck finding a source for that chip either.
??

Someday we might need to find a replacement.
Maybe a little PC board with 8 header pins.
Stuff it with a bunch of mmbt3904's if nothing else.

Curious that the stereo headset fried the TDA2822M.
Perhaps it presented too low an impedance when first plugged in for some reason??

Not at all clear from the datasheet that the TDA2822M will survive a 4 ohm speaker
when powered from a 12v+ supply.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 02:22 pm, John wrote:
I fried mine when I plugged in a stereo sony noise canceling headset.
So it does not only happen with mono plugs.

Hopefully the spare TDAs with sockets will arrive soon so Incan start troubleshooting my no power problem.
To be on the safe side and avoid another wait I also ordered some IRFs ;)


Re: Another shipping Notification Update

 

ordered my Ubitx Dec. 27, 2017
Rcv'd yesterday Feb.27, 2018.
had to be here and sign for it re DHL
73
WA9DOH

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 7:13 AM, Daniel Conklin <danconklin2@...> wrote:
I ordered mine on the 29th of December 2017, and I haven't gotten notice of shipping yet.
Dan W2DLC



Re: U1 fried

 

I fried mine when I plugged in a stereo sony noise canceling headset.
So it does not only happen with mono plugs.

Hopefully the spare TDAs with sockets will arrive soon so Incan start troubleshooting my no power problem.
To be on the safe side and avoid another wait I also ordered some IRFs ;)


John


Re: ubitx standoffs #parts

 

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 01:38 pm, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
ACE Hardware store has an amazing
collection of nuts and bolts and spacers, nylon and brass and steel, imperial and metric.
Including some nice generic knobs for electronics.?
I was just there last Saturday to get some M3 screws.? I didn't even think to look for knobs!? I'll pay more attention next time, and maybe have some coffee before I go.