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Re: Auto tuner update

 

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My comment is in regards to discussion in his group.?


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On Jan 11, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Alan de G1FXB via Groups.Io <g1fxb@...> wrote:

While I acknowledge the discussion is regarding choice of toroids for an AMU project.

QRP Labs / Hans, Points out that his LPF design is suitable UP TO 5 watts as supplied in his kits.
See bottom section of the web page


Alan

On 11/01/2018 17:05, K9HZ wrote:
Not sure what brought this on but the teaching point of my post for those who would otherwise make current, voltage, saturation calculations for Inductors in RF service and build from them is to prototype first. ?My recollection in relation to Hans Summers LPF kits (nothing to do with my tuner design) is that guys are using them in amplifiers up to 100 watts... and i wonder if they have had the parts on the bench to really see the limitations of the filters. ?More clear?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:


email:??bill@...

?


On Jan 11, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Don Cantrell via Groups.Io <nd6t_6@...> wrote:

Bill, Before you get too invested in small toroids consider that the tuner must deal with higher currents than an LPF. Saturation results from current, not power. 100 watts and high impedance ratios requires larger cores. Best to do the math before ordering. 73, ND6T


Re: Auto tuner update

 

This SWR birdge:
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On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:11 am, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
Perhaps you are thinking of this SWR Bridge?
It is apparently good for up to 100W, intermittent use.


Re: Auto tuner update

 

Perhaps you are thinking of this SWR Bridge?
It is apparently good for up to 100W, intermittent use.


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 09:05 am, K9HZ wrote:
My recollection in relation to Hans Summers LPF kits (nothing to do with my tuner design) is that guys are using them in amplifiers up to 100 watts...


Re: uBitx receive working...transmit debugging help needed

 

Jim - thank you - I validated the antenna wiring and it appears good.? I'm also seeing good output on CW (as opposed to SSB voice), so I think that proves out the antenna connection.


Re: uBitx receive working...transmit debugging help needed

 

Further update...I dont have a telegraph key, but I used a jumper to (momentarily) ground the cw key connector.? I got cw tone in the speaker AND over 5 watts output indicated on the MFJ meter.??

Is it safe to say that its more likely I'm having a problem with the microphone than the relays?? CW output appears to travel across the same relays as SSB voice.? I have an oscilloscope and multimeter...is there a simple test I could do to see if I have a bad microphone element?


Re: uBitx receive working...transmit debugging help needed

 

Perhaps , difficult to know whether relays are working .
?Can we have a small led on the relay drive circuit to indicate atleast drive status of the relay. Whether it is operating or not has to be seen .
if a spare contact would be there it could light up an LED.

regards
?sarma
?vu3zmv


Regards
MVS Sarma
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On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Jim Sheldon <w0eb@...> wrote:
Make sure you have the black wire on the antenna connected to ground and NOT the brown one.? Also make sure that the RF output plug is wired properly so that the black wire actually does go to the ground side of the header plug.

Jim - W0EB



Re: AE7EU Top Level PCB Mod

 

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Yes, that is the application note on the Max part.? That is what they designed the part for.

I followed its suggestions for settings.? There are several capacitors to pick.? The main thing is to turn it down, do not overdrive Bit.? Sp I put the 2K pot on the final output.

AND this lead to yet another PCB project.?? In BitX I have a PTT board.? It has a comparitor that senses the small current (a few ma.)? when the PTT is pushed.? The PTT is just connected to the Max PCB, connecting it to 5V.

So now I only have 3 wires going to Mic.... Gnd, Mic, +5V.? I can use a cheap 3.5mm stereo cable from 99 cent store.? I have experimented with this board and a couple FETs for Pop reduction.? One FET turns on fast and off slow to mute the LM380.

The other one times the relay to have it actuate while mute is active.?? Then there is an inverter that give an +5V to Raduino to be complient with Allard's PTT signal.

There are 6 3D Printed ABS parts to the Microphone.? Worked out better than I expected!

73's

Mike, WA6ISP


On 1/11/2018 9:35 AM, Dave Bottom wrote:
The MAX9814 Chip.

As commented the gain should be set between the second and third stage not after to prevent to reduce noise and the chip has a very well filtered BIAS supply for the Electret Mic so they are doing everything to make it quiet. .? This works well with Cell Phones to clear background noise.? We'll see how it turns out here, but I am using a boom Mic headset with really good acoustic noise cancellation.? 85 db on train isn't heard and my F250 Diesel Truck isn't heard either while mobile.? Drive from audio needs to match levels in the Balanced Modulator or there will be distortion.? As I said we'll see how it works here.??

BTW - Nice job on your hand Mic Mike!

Dave WI6R

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Diver Martin <diver.martin@...> wrote:
Dave,

Can you point me towards which chip/board you're going to try out?

On Jan 10, 2018 11:05 PM, "Dave Bottom" <ars.kd6az@...> wrote:
Martin?

Looks good so far.

I have one of the Mic AGC amplifiers coming, so I will let you know how it works out.? I think a set and forget gain control will be fine.? It should be set so as not to over drive and be left alone.? Almost all cell phones use these 3 stage low noise AGC amplifiers for the Electret Mic so I¡¯m expecting it to work well here too.

Dave WI6R



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2018, at 10:39 PM, Diver Martin <diver.martin@...> wrote:

So, I've finally got a rough draft of what I'm thinking for my uBitx top PCB mod.? Features at this point are:

No modifications required to uBitx board itself (not to say a 470uF anti-pop mod might be bad, or other things couldn't be done)
ATU: 7-inductor, 8-capacitor with Hi-Z/Lo-Z switch.
Selectable Power output (two power input connectors)
Brain transplant:? Teensy3.2 96MHz ARM processor
All connections on side edges - no wiring to enclosure
Front panel with pushbutton switches
DSP Audio (Via Teensy32, would require headphones or amplified speakers)
Solderless AGC modification (Attenuator at the front end switched in during RX)
Realtime clock (via Teensy32)
Linear amplifier control (just a reed relay on a 3.5mm header, sorry, not an RCA, but you could easily change it...)
Top side only construction (would make assembly cost lower)

BoM cost:? Probably way higher than it should be.? Needs optimization, and I still need to enter in costs.
Complexity:? Probably way more than it should be.
Layout:? An ugly mess of routing.? I can't say I like it, but the constraints I put on myself made it really hard to route.? There's lots of open areas to cross with lots of signals going all different directions.

Picture of the layout and schematic PDF attached, along with a 3D view.

I think the one modification that I still need to consider is a microphone preamp.? But, I have no flippin' clue where on the PCB I'd put the gain control knob!? Might have to be an internal potentiometer....

--
Martin Held - AE7EU

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If there aren't any questions, then what is there to learn?
<uBitx_top.png>
<uBitx_top.pdf>
<uBitx_top_3d.png>



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73 Dave WI6R

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Re: AE7EU Top Level PCB Mod

Dave Bottom
 

The MAX9814 Chip.

As commented the gain should be set between the second and third stage not after to prevent to reduce noise and the chip has a very well filtered BIAS supply for the Electret Mic so they are doing everything to make it quiet. .? This works well with Cell Phones to clear background noise.? We'll see how it turns out here, but I am using a boom Mic headset with really good acoustic noise cancellation.? 85 db on train isn't heard and my F250 Diesel Truck isn't heard either while mobile.? Drive from audio needs to match levels in the Balanced Modulator or there will be distortion.? As I said we'll see how it works here.??

BTW - Nice job on your hand Mic Mike!

Dave WI6R

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Diver Martin <diver.martin@...> wrote:
Dave,

Can you point me towards which chip/board you're going to try out?

On Jan 10, 2018 11:05 PM, "Dave Bottom" <ars.kd6az@...> wrote:
Martin?

Looks good so far.

I have one of the Mic AGC amplifiers coming, so I will let you know how it works out.? I think a set and forget gain control will be fine.? It should be set so as not to over drive and be left alone.? Almost all cell phones use these 3 stage low noise AGC amplifiers for the Electret Mic so I¡¯m expecting it to work well here too.

Dave WI6R



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2018, at 10:39 PM, Diver Martin <diver.martin@...> wrote:

So, I've finally got a rough draft of what I'm thinking for my uBitx top PCB mod.? Features at this point are:

No modifications required to uBitx board itself (not to say a 470uF anti-pop mod might be bad, or other things couldn't be done)
ATU: 7-inductor, 8-capacitor with Hi-Z/Lo-Z switch.
Selectable Power output (two power input connectors)
Brain transplant:? Teensy3.2 96MHz ARM processor
All connections on side edges - no wiring to enclosure
Front panel with pushbutton switches
DSP Audio (Via Teensy32, would require headphones or amplified speakers)
Solderless AGC modification (Attenuator at the front end switched in during RX)
Realtime clock (via Teensy32)
Linear amplifier control (just a reed relay on a 3.5mm header, sorry, not an RCA, but you could easily change it...)
Top side only construction (would make assembly cost lower)

BoM cost:? Probably way higher than it should be.? Needs optimization, and I still need to enter in costs.
Complexity:? Probably way more than it should be.
Layout:? An ugly mess of routing.? I can't say I like it, but the constraints I put on myself made it really hard to route.? There's lots of open areas to cross with lots of signals going all different directions.

Picture of the layout and schematic PDF attached, along with a 3D view.

I think the one modification that I still need to consider is a microphone preamp.? But, I have no flippin' clue where on the PCB I'd put the gain control knob!? Might have to be an internal potentiometer....

--
Martin Held - AE7EU

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If there aren't any questions, then what is there to learn?
<uBitx_top.png>
<uBitx_top.pdf>
<uBitx_top_3d.png>




--
73 Dave WI6R


Re: Auto tuner update

 

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While I acknowledge the discussion is regarding choice of toroids for an AMU project.

QRP Labs / Hans, Points out that his LPF design is suitable UP TO 5 watts as supplied in his kits.
See bottom section of the web page


Alan

On 11/01/2018 17:05, K9HZ wrote:

Not sure what brought this on but the teaching point of my post for those who would otherwise make current, voltage, saturation calculations for Inductors in RF service and build from them is to prototype first. ?My recollection in relation to Hans Summers LPF kits (nothing to do with my tuner design) is that guys are using them in amplifiers up to 100 watts... and i wonder if they have had the parts on the bench to really see the limitations of the filters. ?More clear?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:


email:??bill@...

?


On Jan 11, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Don Cantrell via Groups.Io <nd6t_6@...> wrote:

Bill, Before you get too invested in small toroids consider that the tuner must deal with higher currents than an LPF. Saturation results from current, not power. 100 watts and high impedance ratios requires larger cores. Best to do the math before ordering. 73, ND6T


Re: uBITx: Encoder without detents

 

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Jack,
Don't think they are "detent-less", not stated in the description,?but because they are cheap, 10 qty, not afraid to unbend the top shaft?retention tangs and remove the detent spring as per previous post and reassemble,? even if I destroy a couple in the process.?I will post if in fact they are detent-less and?how they work after modification.?I have disassembled many minature switches and pots?in the past to lubricate and clean contacts so am not intemidated by a rotary encoder. Now just to wait on the slow boat!? Who knows they may get here before my uBitz, hi. hi!
?
Rick, KN4AIE



From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Purdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBITx: Encoder without detents

Rick:

Please let the group know how these work out, especially if they are truly "detentless".

Jack, W8TEE



From: Rick Price <rickprice48@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBITx: Encoder without detents

Jack,
Just ordered the same type part and quantity?off of EBAY US ? Looks like the same part but cheaper in US dollars rather than Pounds.
?
Rick, KN4AIE


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Purdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBITx: Encoder without detents

Why is the US blacklisted from buying these?

Jack, W8TEE



From: "mike@..." <mike@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBITx: Encoder without detents

Hi Neil



73
Mike
G0CVZ





Re: Auto tuner update

 

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I have and use the qrp-labs LPFs I wouldn't dare go over 10W (and that's pushing it) They are rated for 5w, I don't know where or why anyone would think 100W would be acceptable.




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of K9HZ <bill@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Auto tuner update
?
Not sure what brought this on but the teaching point of my post for those who would otherwise make current, voltage, saturation calculations for Inductors in RF service and build from them is to prototype first. ?My recollection in relation to Hans Summers LPF kits (nothing to do with my tuner design) is that guys are using them in amplifiers up to 100 watts... and i wonder if they have had the parts on the bench to really see the limitations of the filters. ?More clear?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

www.villagrandpiton.com
Make our villa your home for an unforgettable stay on St Lucia! Looking for an incredibly romantic spot for your honeymoon or anniversary? Or just need time away from ...


email:??bill@...

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On Jan 11, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Don Cantrell via Groups.Io <nd6t_6@...> wrote:

Bill, Before you get too invested in small toroids consider that the tuner must deal with higher currents than an LPF. Saturation results from current, not power. 100 watts and high impedance ratios requires larger cores. Best to do the math before ordering. 73, ND6T


Re: Auto tuner update

 

Bill,
After Don's comment, I did some googling and came up with the following info. There's so much to learn about this hobby!

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On Thursday, January 11, 2018 12:05 PM, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:


Not sure what brought this on but the teaching point of my post for those who would otherwise make current, voltage, saturation calculations for Inductors in RF service and build from them is to prototype first. ?My recollection in relation to Hans Summers LPF kits (nothing to do with my tuner design) is that guys are using them in amplifiers up to 100 watts... and i wonder if they have had the parts on the bench to really see the limitations of the filters. ?More clear?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
?
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
?
Owner ¨C Operator
Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it:

email:??bill@...
?

On Jan 11, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Don Cantrell via Groups.Io <nd6t_6@...> wrote:

Bill, Before you get too invested in small toroids consider that the tuner must deal with higher currents than an LPF. Saturation results from current, not power. 100 watts and high impedance ratios requires larger cores. Best to do the math before ordering. 73, ND6T



Re: Auto tuner update

 

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Not sure what brought this on but the teaching point of my post for those who would otherwise make current, voltage, saturation calculations for Inductors in RF service and build from them is to prototype first. ?My recollection in relation to Hans Summers LPF kits (nothing to do with my tuner design) is that guys are using them in amplifiers up to 100 watts... and i wonder if they have had the parts on the bench to really see the limitations of the filters. ?More clear?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:


email:??bill@...

?


On Jan 11, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Don Cantrell via Groups.Io <nd6t_6@...> wrote:

Bill, Before you get too invested in small toroids consider that the tuner must deal with higher currents than an LPF. Saturation results from current, not power. 100 watts and high impedance ratios requires larger cores. Best to do the math before ordering. 73, ND6T


Re: uBITx: Encoder without detents

Jack Purdum
 

Rick:

Please let the group know how these work out, especially if they are truly "detentless".

Jack, W8TEE



From: Rick Price <rickprice48@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBITx: Encoder without detents

Jack,
Just ordered the same type part and quantity?off of EBAY US ? Looks like the same part but cheaper in US dollars rather than Pounds.
?
Rick, KN4AIE


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Purdum via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBITx: Encoder without detents

Why is the US blacklisted from buying these?

Jack, W8TEE



From: "mike@..." <mike@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBITx: Encoder without detents

Hi Neil



73
Mike
G0CVZ





Re: uBITx: Encoder without detents KNOBS

 

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Looks like the guitar people have all metal knobs for weighty feel?

I have not seen one over 3/4".? They come all kinds of finishes, even Chrome.

I like about 1 1/8"?


Mike, WA6ISP



On 1/11/2018 8:11 AM, Michael Hagen wrote:

I bought these on eBay?


They have detents, UNLESS they state, I don't know how you get ones without?? Make sure they show the nuts.

Like a post said, "Take em apart, DIY"?

Mike,WA6ISP




On 1/11/2018 8:03 AM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io wrote:
Why is the US blacklisted from buying these?

Jack, W8TEE



From: "mike@..." <mike@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBITx: Encoder without detents

Hi Neil



73
Mike
G0CVZ



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10917 Bryant Street
Yucaipa, Ca. 92399
(909) 918-0058
PayPal ID  "MotDog@..."
Mike@...

-- 
Mike Hagen, WA6ISP
10917 Bryant Street
Yucaipa, Ca. 92399
(909) 918-0058
PayPal ID  "MotDog@..."
Mike@...


Re: AE7EU Top Level PCB Mod

 

The MAX9814 could work well
But be aware that while the AGC will reduce gain when your audio level gets too high,
it will also increase gain when there is nothing but background noise.
So during pauses in speech, your friends will be impressed by the sound of the
apparently monstrous cooling fan required to cool the mighty uBitx.?

Might be worth looking at the SSM2167
? ??http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/SSM2167.pdf
You can disable the speech compression feature if that's not what you want.
Still provides AGC style gain reduction when audio levels get too high,
and also reduces gain when audio levels are too low.

Jerry, KE7ER



On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 07:51 am, Michael Hagen wrote:

I used the MAX 9814, follow the datasheet suggestions. Set the final output with a pot.

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Re: uBITX Display Separation Cable

 

I had a couple of spare 8 pin connectors from my Bitx40 that I used for the separation then soldered the other end to a male header and my uBitx is happy.

Bob
N1ETS


Re: Micro-BITX ... Lost in post ? Possibly

 



Mine's just arrived as well, I did get a bit more from the tracking, Royal Mail showed it arriving in the UK just before 6pm yesterday, so it was quick this end, India Post tracking gives the same information, so it and all the rest must have left India on Tiger Moth Airlines, Hi

Nicely packed, looks good, the serial number is F20/1.? This is my first exploration of HF, so now to get it assembled and get an aerial up.

Very will done to Farhan and?all the elves.

73,s David S? G8DJM


Re: uBITx: Encoder without detents

 

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I bought these on eBay?


They have detents, UNLESS they state, I don't know how you get ones without?? Make sure they show the nuts.

Like a post said, "Take em apart, DIY"?

Mike,WA6ISP




On 1/11/2018 8:03 AM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io wrote:
Why is the US blacklisted from buying these?

Jack, W8TEE



From: "mike@..." <mike@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] uBITx: Encoder without detents

Hi Neil



73
Mike
G0CVZ



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10917 Bryant Street
Yucaipa, Ca. 92399
(909) 918-0058
PayPal ID  "MotDog@..."
Mike@...


Re: uBITx: Encoder without detents

 

Especially because in?the item description, it says "Shipping to US : USPS with the tracking number (10-15 working days)".?
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Karl Heinz - K5KHK