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Re: Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

 

Amendment: *your* multimeter ... I assumed it to be a modern digital one. The old analog 'originals' measured Current - again, always - a completely different philosophy that relied on the current through the coil of the meter movement to deflect the attached pointer over its scale. The usage of the leads remained the same.

73 de ZL2DEX


Re: Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

 

Here's an old post on diode RF probes and AC measurements in the Bitx40 power amp:
? ?/g/BITX20/message/22764

And the bottom paragraph here; ??
? ?/g/BITX20/message/21941

A few other webpages on rf probes:




Stephen wrote: ?
> ?If your meter is set to 10A shouldn't you be plugging the leads in to COM and 10A?

I think he nailed it.

Jerry


On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 06:30 pm, Arv Evans wrote:
If you can add an RF detector probe to your test equipment inventory it might be
very useful for measuring RF levels at various points in the transceiver.?


Re: Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

 

Point of basics: the multimeter measures *Voltage* - always! When measuring Current it is measuring the voltage dropped by its internal (small) resistor in series with whatever load you conned.. As such your Red lead (to 10A ) goes to your battery Positive, and the black lead (COM) to the Rig (BitX, the 'load') positive, and it will measure + voltages as above and display them suitably scaled as positive (+) currents.


Re: l7805cv Gets hot! #bitx40help

 

yup...it does!? I also added the external resistor

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Dexter N Muir <dexy@...> wrote:

Re: LED Backlight ... It's 2 LEDs in series, the series resistor is marked 111, which I presume to be 110 ohms. Given the typical LED drops 1.3V when conducting, and supply is 5V,? I = E / R = (5-2.6) / 110 = 2.4/110 = 21.8mA. Do you really think this contributes much to the heating of the 7805?

OK, cut the track, but put in a pot (1K?) and you've got control of the light output - handy for night-ops. :)

73... Dex, ZL2DEX




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Paul Mateer, AA9GG
Elan Engineering Corp.

NAQCC 3123, SKCC 4628


Re: Temp Monitoring

 

FYI it has 3 filter caps and a 6v tranzorb on the power line and a feed-thru cap on the data line...

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:
Too big.

Jack, W8TEE



From: AA9GG <paul.aa9gg@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Temp Monitoring

This is a pcb module we use at work for the DS18B2....BTW, I have this working in my BITx40v3

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Paul Mateer, AA9GG
Elan Engineering Corp.

NAQCC 3123, SKCC 4628





--
Paul Mateer, AA9GG
Elan Engineering Corp.

NAQCC 3123, SKCC 4628


Re: Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

 

Here's Wayne's 100pf hack: ?
But I think credit for that should go to Don Cantrell: ?

Regarding current measurements, if things are strange I suggest backing off to something simpler.
Perhaps practice measuring the current through a 100 ohm resistor from a 9v battery.

I assume you are supplying 12v to the PA-PWR1 connector when attempting to transmit.

> ?How do I confirm that POS and GRND are connected to the proper side of the connector (board)?
With an ohmmeter. ?Make sure board ground is connected to BNC shell. ?Make sure board antenna connection is connected to BNC pin. ?And make sure there is no connection (as seen by the ohmmeter) between the two.

Jerry


On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 06:11 pm, Neris Biciunas wrote:
OK. ?So a few more facts for the puzzle.?


Re: Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

 

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If your meter is set to 10A shouldn't you be plugging the leads in to COM and 10A?



On 10/24/2017 09:11 PM, Neris Biciunas wrote:

OK. ?So a few more facts for the puzzle.

-One of the extra capacitors is 100 pF in parallel with L7. ?As per Wayne NB6M as written up in BitX Hacks Blog.

-I tried to measure mA again, and something is really odd. First, I am running power from a battery box, 12.85v. ?
All connections are Powerpoles. ?I checked the power at the power distribution block (inside the radio, behind the fuse) 12.90v. ?My multimeter is a Mastech MS8264. ?Black lead is plugged into "COM", red lead into "mA". ?The dial is set to 10 A ?DC. ?The value that I see is -1.10 A, rising slowly to -0.45 A. ?Yes, I said negative values, ?No, I don't have my wires crossed. ?What the heck!

Jerry,
Thanks for all of the good leads. ?It will take me bit to figure out some of them. ?A few I can respond to now.

"If all you are doing is pressing the PTT button, you won't see any RF going out.
On a single sideband rig, you only get RF to the antenna wen there is audio into the microphone."
? ? ? Yep, I have tried "hallooooing" into the mic - not apparent effect.

"Put tape over the ends of all the extra leads coming out of that Raduino"
? ? ?My leads are pretty tidy. ?Not promising that I did't already short something, but I usually keep things pretty tidy.

"Make sure your antenna connector is wired up properly.
Don't laugh, it happens."
? ? ?Well, I have replaced the separate leads as supplied by HFSigs, with a short piece of tiny coax to a BNC. ?I am using the supplied connector. ?How do I confirm that POS and GRND are connected to the proper side of the connector (board)?

It will take me a bit to figure out the rest of your feedback. ?Thank you very much!?


Re: Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

 


David? WA7NJB

If you can add an RF detector probe to your test equipment inventory it might be
very useful for measuring RF levels at various points in the transceiver.?

There are kits for RF detector probes but they are so simple that you can easily
build your own from on-line articles and schematics.?

To maximize the value of an RF detector probe you do need to understand how
it works and what it is trying to tell you.?

Arv? K7HKL
_._

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Neris Biciunas <nbiciunas@...> wrote:
There are many things that I don't know, and I sincerely thank all of you for the resource that is growing here in this group.

I am looking for some assistance troubleshooting a Bitx40.
Go easy on me, I have very little idea of what I am doing.

Let me tell you what I do know...
-This is my first HF radio, and my first kit build radio - what could possibly go wrong, right?
-I am running this radio from a 12v Battery. (12.4v -13.2v ish)
-100' of coax to an inverted V that has been tuned to the middle of the band.
-Receive works well.? I can regularly hear folks from the western half of North America, and frequently the east coast as well as others speaking Spanish (Mexico?? South America?)
-Transmit appears to not work.? I have not made any successful QSO's.
-I have a QRP dummy load (), and the voltage measured (between ground and VRMS pin is something like 0.57) (RF power = (0.57^2)/50= .0065 watts) when the mic is keyed.
-I have tested the voltages of all of the transistors and while not exactly the same, they are very close to the values published by?Randy, K7AGE
-I never saw the "Magic smoke"
-There are very few mods to this BitX40.? Allard's code, extra heat-sink one the raduino, and larger heat-sink on the board, extra capacitor on tuning pot, (there is one other capacitor that I added, but at the moment, I cannot precisely describe where I put it), external speaker/mic by BTech
-I don't have access to test equipment beyond a multi meter, small dummy load, and an antenna analyser.
-I have tried to measure Amps drawn, but I was likely doing something incorrectly as the values were not even close tho what is described in the BitX40 write up.
-Nothing gets hot when powered on, no visually obvious defects.
-I have listened (via WebSDR) to a frequency that I was transmitting on, and received nothing.? I'm not sure if I was too far away, or if I was really not transmitting.? I live far away from most everything so popping over to the next ham meeting is non-trivial.


So what can I test?? Are there any other troubleshooting guides out there?
Thanks for any ideas or suggestions that you might have.

WA7NJB



Re: Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

Neris Biciunas
 

OK. ?So a few more facts for the puzzle.

-One of the extra capacitors is 100 pF in parallel with L7. ?As per Wayne NB6M as written up in BitX Hacks Blog.

-I tried to measure mA again, and something is really odd. First, I am running power from a battery box, 12.85v. ?
All connections are Powerpoles. ?I checked the power at the power distribution block (inside the radio, behind the fuse) 12.90v. ?My multimeter is a Mastech MS8264. ?Black lead is plugged into "COM", red lead into "mA". ?The dial is set to 10 A ?DC. ?The value that I see is -1.10 A, rising slowly to -0.45 A. ?Yes, I said negative values, ?No, I don't have my wires crossed. ?What the heck!

Jerry,
Thanks for all of the good leads. ?It will take me bit to figure out some of them. ?A few I can respond to now.

"If all you are doing is pressing the PTT button, you won't see any RF going out.
On a single sideband rig, you only get RF to the antenna wen there is audio into the microphone."
? ? ? Yep, I have tried "hallooooing" into the mic - not apparent effect.

"Put tape over the ends of all the extra leads coming out of that Raduino"
? ? ?My leads are pretty tidy. ?Not promising that I did't already short something, but I usually keep things pretty tidy.

"Make sure your antenna connector is wired up properly.
Don't laugh, it happens."
? ? ?Well, I have replaced the separate leads as supplied by HFSigs, with a short piece of tiny coax to a BNC. ?I am using the supplied connector. ?How do I confirm that POS and GRND are connected to the proper side of the connector (board)?

It will take me a bit to figure out the rest of your feedback. ?Thank you very much!?


Re: Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

 

You're probably very close to a working rig.

If all you are doing is pressing the PTT button, you won't see any RF going out.
On a single sideband rig, you only get RF to the antenna wen there is audio into the microphone.

If you don't trust your wattmeter, maybe put a 1 watt 50 ohm resistor (or 4 1/4 watt 200 ohm resistors, etc)
on the antenna jack, see if they get hot when attempting to transmit. ?If transmitting 5 watts into a 1 watt resistor,
don't transmit for more than a few seconds or you will cook the resistor.

Be very careful as you mess around, take a break when you get tired.
Put tape over the ends of all the extra leads coming out of that Raduino, don't want them
to brush against anything they should not, such as the IRF510 heatsink.

If the IRF510 heatsink is not electrically isolated from the IRF510 tab, don't short anything to that
heatsink as it is at 12vdc.

Make sure your antenna connector is wired up properly.
Don't laugh, it happens.

On receive, it should be on the order of 150ma (I don't remember exactly) for main bitx40 plus Raduino.
With ptt pressed and no audio, it will go up a bit from there,

Should see about 100 ma (within 20%) ?into the IRF510 drain (connector PA-PWR1) when ptt is pressed.
If it is more than 100ma into the IRF510 with no audio into the mike, stop quickly before it smokes.
If it is less, measure the dc voltage at the IRF510 gate when pressing ptt, and tell us the current into the irf510 and the voltage at the gate.

Be careful if you choose adjust the 10k pot at rv1 as in the wireup instructions, it is very touchy and if you turn it up too hi the irf510 will smoke.
What's worse, it's wired up backwards, so turning it counter-clockwise will increase the bias into the irf510.
Safest thing is to remove power from PA-PWR1 and monitor the voltage at the IRF510 gate while fiddling with rv1
to get a feel for how it works. ?The 100ma point will be at around 3 or 4 volts, the smoking IRF510 point will be maybe 0.5v above that.
Then adjust that bias back down to zero volts, connect back up PA-PWR1 to a 12v source with a 2 amp fuse, and slowly turn rv1 back up?
(counterclockwise!) till get get to that magic 100ma spot.




On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 02:41 pm, Neris Biciunas wrote:
-I have a QRP dummy load (), and the voltage measured (between ground and VRMS pin is something like 0.57) (RF power = (0.57^2)/50= .0065 watts) when the mic is keyed.


Re: Raduino question.

Vince Vielhaber
 

My bench is only good to 1GHz, unless I can figure out a way to put these scopes in series!

Vince.

On 10/24/2017 06:48 PM, Gordon Gibby wrote:
Well, I sure am grateful for people with great test equipment!!!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Vince Vielhaber <vev@...> wrote:


You either don't recall or you didn't read it. Yesterday afternoon I re-measured using a Tek 11402 scope and corrected my previous comment.

Vince.


On 10/24/2017 04:42 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
As I recall, you showed some alarmingly low signal levels as the
frequency went up.
If the si5351 can only give 8ma at dc, your notes suggest it gets
awfully small at 45mhz+SignalFreq
into the first mixer on the ubitx.

Though Gordon's right, there is some conduction through a schottky diode
even at 200mv or less.
Perhaps somehow the ubitx works well enough, but could do better if the
diode ring mixers were driven harder.

Jerry

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 01:03 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

I posted the RMS values of all four output modes yesterday. Do you
also want the P-P values?
--
Michigan VHF Corp.

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Michigan VHF Corp.


Re: Raduino question.

Vince Vielhaber
 

Disregard this, I see you found it.

Vince.

On 10/24/2017 06:46 PM, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

You either don't recall or you didn't read it. Yesterday afternoon I
re-measured using a Tek 11402 scope and corrected my previous comment.

Vince.


On 10/24/2017 04:42 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
As I recall, you showed some alarmingly low signal levels as the
frequency went up.
If the si5351 can only give 8ma at dc, your notes suggest it gets
awfully small at 45mhz+SignalFreq
into the first mixer on the ubitx.

Though Gordon's right, there is some conduction through a schottky diode
even at 200mv or less.
Perhaps somehow the ubitx works well enough, but could do better if the
diode ring mixers were driven harder.

Jerry

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 01:03 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

I posted the RMS values of all four output modes yesterday. Do you
also want the P-P values?

--
Michigan VHF Corp.


Re: Raduino question.

Gordon Gibby
 

Well, I sure am grateful for people with great test equipment!!!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Vince Vielhaber <vev@...> wrote:


You either don't recall or you didn't read it. Yesterday afternoon I re-measured using a Tek 11402 scope and corrected my previous comment.

Vince.


On 10/24/2017 04:42 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
As I recall, you showed some alarmingly low signal levels as the
frequency went up.
If the si5351 can only give 8ma at dc, your notes suggest it gets
awfully small at 45mhz+SignalFreq
into the first mixer on the ubitx.

Though Gordon's right, there is some conduction through a schottky diode
even at 200mv or less.
Perhaps somehow the ubitx works well enough, but could do better if the
diode ring mixers were driven harder.

Jerry

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 01:03 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

I posted the RMS values of all four output modes yesterday. Do you
also want the P-P values?
--
Michigan VHF Corp.


Re: Raduino question.

Vince Vielhaber
 

You either don't recall or you didn't read it. Yesterday afternoon I re-measured using a Tek 11402 scope and corrected my previous comment.

Vince.

On 10/24/2017 04:42 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
As I recall, you showed some alarmingly low signal levels as the
frequency went up.
If the si5351 can only give 8ma at dc, your notes suggest it gets
awfully small at 45mhz+SignalFreq
into the first mixer on the ubitx.

Though Gordon's right, there is some conduction through a schottky diode
even at 200mv or less.
Perhaps somehow the ubitx works well enough, but could do better if the
diode ring mixers were driven harder.

Jerry

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 01:03 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:

I posted the RMS values of all four output modes yesterday. Do you
also want the P-P values?

--
Michigan VHF Corp.


Re: Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

Neris Biciunas
 

I will try again when I get home tonight, and report back.


Re: Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

 

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What were the numbers you got when measuring current?


On 10/24/2017 05:41 PM, Neris Biciunas wrote:

There are many things that I don't know, and I sincerely thank all of you for the resource that is growing here in this group.

I am looking for some assistance troubleshooting a Bitx40.
Go easy on me, I have very little idea of what I am doing.

Let me tell you what I do know...
-This is my first HF radio, and my first kit build radio - what could possibly go wrong, right?
-I am running this radio from a 12v Battery. (12.4v -13.2v ish)
-100' of coax to an inverted V that has been tuned to the middle of the band.
-Receive works well.? I can regularly hear folks from the western half of North America, and frequently the east coast as well as others speaking Spanish (Mexico?? South America?)
-Transmit appears to not work.? I have not made any successful QSO's.
-I have a QRP dummy load (), and the voltage measured (between ground and VRMS pin is something like 0.57) (RF power = (0.57^2)/50= .0065 watts) when the mic is keyed.
-I have tested the voltages of all of the transistors and while not exactly the same, they are very close to the values published by?Randy, K7AGE
-I never saw the "Magic smoke"
-There are very few mods to this BitX40.? Allard's code, extra heat-sink one the raduino, and larger heat-sink on the board, extra capacitor on tuning pot, (there is one other capacitor that I added, but at the moment, I cannot precisely describe where I put it), external speaker/mic by BTech
-I don't have access to test equipment beyond a multi meter, small dummy load, and an antenna analyser.
-I have tried to measure Amps drawn, but I was likely doing something incorrectly as the values were not even close tho what is described in the BitX40 write up.
-Nothing gets hot when powered on, no visually obvious defects.
-I have listened (via WebSDR) to a frequency that I was transmitting on, and received nothing.? I'm not sure if I was too far away, or if I was really not transmitting.? I live far away from most everything so popping over to the next ham meeting is non-trivial.


So what can I test?? Are there any other troubleshooting guides out there?
Thanks for any ideas or suggestions that you might have.

WA7NJB


Help with troubleshooting Bitx40 - no transmit. #bitx40help

Neris Biciunas
 

There are many things that I don't know, and I sincerely thank all of you for the resource that is growing here in this group.

I am looking for some assistance troubleshooting a Bitx40.
Go easy on me, I have very little idea of what I am doing.

Let me tell you what I do know...
-This is my first HF radio, and my first kit build radio - what could possibly go wrong, right?
-I am running this radio from a 12v Battery. (12.4v -13.2v ish)
-100' of coax to an inverted V that has been tuned to the middle of the band.
-Receive works well.? I can regularly hear folks from the western half of North America, and frequently the east coast as well as others speaking Spanish (Mexico?? South America?)
-Transmit appears to not work.? I have not made any successful QSO's.
-I have a QRP dummy load (), and the voltage measured (between ground and VRMS pin is something like 0.57) (RF power = (0.57^2)/50= .0065 watts) when the mic is keyed.
-I have tested the voltages of all of the transistors and while not exactly the same, they are very close to the values published by?Randy, K7AGE
-I never saw the "Magic smoke"
-There are very few mods to this BitX40.? Allard's code, extra heat-sink one the raduino, and larger heat-sink on the board, extra capacitor on tuning pot, (there is one other capacitor that I added, but at the moment, I cannot precisely describe where I put it), external speaker/mic by BTech
-I don't have access to test equipment beyond a multi meter, small dummy load, and an antenna analyser.
-I have tried to measure Amps drawn, but I was likely doing something incorrectly as the values were not even close tho what is described in the BitX40 write up.
-Nothing gets hot when powered on, no visually obvious defects.
-I have listened (via WebSDR) to a frequency that I was transmitting on, and received nothing.? I'm not sure if I was too far away, or if I was really not transmitting.? I live far away from most everything so popping over to the next ham meeting is non-trivial.


So what can I test?? Are there any other troubleshooting guides out there?
Thanks for any ideas or suggestions that you might have.

WA7NJB


Re: Raduino question.

 

Ah, ok. ?I'd somehow missed this one.

With the 8ma setting, you have 735mv rms, or 14.7ma rms.
That's a more robust driver than I was expecting. ?
Especially considering that this is an rms value.



On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 02:08 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
I'm going to have a look at the 2430A.

Current setup:
Tek 11402 Scope w/ 11A32 400MHz plugin
Tek P6121 10x probe - 1 meg termination in the scope
No bandwidth limiting

Adafruit si5351 board CLK2 terminated into 51 ohms.
Standalone Nano controlling it.
NOTE: CLK2 is also used for the following measurements.

There is a difference in output between 7.5MHz and 35.5MHz, but only about 15mv rms.

There's a bit of ringing on the square wave but that's probably in my setup.

Ok, with the above setup, at 11.020 MHz:

2ma setting: 190 mv rms.
4ma setting: 380 mv rms.
6ma setting: 560 mv rms.
8ma setting: 735 mv rms.


Re: Raduino question.

 

As I recall, you showed some alarmingly low signal levels as the frequency went up.
If the si5351 can only give 8ma at dc, your notes suggest it gets awfully small at 45mhz+SignalFreq
into the first mixer on the ubitx.

Though Gordon's right, there is some conduction through a schottky diode even at 200mv or less.
Perhaps somehow the ubitx works well enough, but could do better if the diode ring mixers were driven harder.

Jerry


On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 01:03 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
I posted the RMS values of all four output modes yesterday. Do you also want the P-P values?


Re: I made a mistake

 

I suspect the replacement diode went in the wrong way around, and that was what smoked. Drilling the board to link C130 (and D7) to the relay coil is a bit of overkill: that bit of track goes to a 'via', connecting the two planes, you could have done what I did - use an Xacto knife (I used a box-cutter!) to excise a track-width or so of the ground plane around the via's exit, clean that off as a pad and link it to the nearby coil point. The bit of track on the top having lifted, it could have just been jumpered to the (cleaned-off) top of the via. Oh, well , live and learn ...

73 de ZL2DEX