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Re: BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere

 

Just checked my email link and I couldn't get it to work. It is @yahoo.com? with no Xes


Re: BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere

 

I talked to Willy for about 30 minutes or so. Signals were weak starting out, but picked up and became solid copy. We also worked KC1FSZ, Bruce in Massachusetts who has a great sounding bitx, and also VA3NOI. I heard several other stations down in the noise.?

Willy if you read this, shoot me an email? r_curtxxxx60@...? ?(eliminate all the xes)?


Re: BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere

 

Band is bad tonight up here in Barrie ON. Not hearing much other than the AM clatter. Where is everyone hanging out? Trying between 7.277 to 7.285. Also trying to work VY0RAC in Nunavut but no copy either.


Re: BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere

 

Randy WB5YYM and I were on 7.277 til about 8:30 EST worked several stations but most propagation? seemed not very good but Randy in AR and my station, W1LY, in RI had a pipeline much of the time well over S9.
Stations heard:
K9KSG
N9LYE
KC9OJV
AC9PD
KD0LL

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...> wrote:

?I put a 10x mic preamp 1-transistor circuit in one of my bitx40's yesterday and finally it uses about the same signalink settings as my "commercial" rigs....and I can also see output without having to YELL into a baofeng $6 electret mic.? ?


I included a switch to insert or short a series 1 uf capacitor, so the preamp can supply 6v to an electret, or be ac coupled for the transformer output of a signalink.




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of John KC9OJV <greusel@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 7:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere
?
Had a brief QSO with W1LY tonight. We were both QRP and I was running a 30 dia loop sitting on the kitchen floor. Yelling ion the mic seemed to help. :)

John
KC9OJV



Re: Quantum Indians

 

Bill, that was a terrific story. I studied some physics in college, but the human source of the wisdom often went right past me, as I struggled to understand the concepts. It would have been far more enjoyable if they blended in a little history with the equations. But much better late, than never. I am very grateful for the chance to learn more, not just about physics, but about the great men that were responsible for those discoveries. I've been to India, and it was an amazing experience. This story about Bose, Raman, and Saha makes me even more enthusiastic!

By the way, I also purchased and read your book "Solder Smoke" recently, and liked it so much I gifted it to a colleague at work. A fascinating account of your own personal discoveries, and very well written. I had a hard time putting it down.

Great job!

73s de N5KNG.


Re: BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere

Gordon Gibby
 

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?I put a 10x mic preamp 1-transistor circuit in one of my bitx40's yesterday and finally it uses about the same signalink settings as my "commercial" rigs....and I can also see output without having to YELL into a baofeng $6 electret mic.? ?


I included a switch to insert or short a series 1 uf capacitor, so the preamp can supply 6v to an electret, or be ac coupled for the transformer output of a signalink.




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of John KC9OJV <greusel@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 7:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere
?
Had a brief QSO with W1LY tonight. We were both QRP and I was running a 30 dia loop sitting on the kitchen floor. Yelling ion the mic seemed to help. :)

John
KC9OJV


Re: Nano on-board regulator...was: I made a mistake

 

Good steers!
Thanks.


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 04:37 pm, David McGough wrote:
At less than $0.80 each, these little boards are fantastic. The 3A rating
is intermittent duty cycle, efficiency is excellent, and protected from
output short-circuit/overload:

I power Raspberry Pi 3 boards, etc., from these. They don't skip a beat:


Re: BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere

 

Had a brief QSO with W1LY tonight. We were both QRP and I was running a 30 dia loop sitting on the kitchen floor. Yelling ion the mic seemed to help. :)

John
KC9OJV


Re: Nano on-board regulator...was: I made a mistake

 

Hi Jerry,

I know all ebay switchers aren't equal, of course. But, here are some
cheapo examples that are success stories; with hundreds deployed in the
hamvoip.org project, etc.

At less than $0.80 each, these little boards are fantastic. The 3A rating
is intermittent duty cycle, efficiency is excellent, and protected from
output short-circuit/overload:

I power Raspberry Pi 3 boards, etc., from these. They don't skip a beat:



I agree that you should stay away from ebay RF power transistors unless
you're certain about the reseller/manufacturer. I, too, have purchased
some lemons!



73, David KB4FXC

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:

There are clearly a few items of ebay electronics about which some fear, uncertainty and doubt is in order.

For example, good luck getting 20 AH at 12v out of this:
?? ?? ( )

Or getting the maximum rated amps out of any $2 switching (or linear) power supply
across the entire claimed input and output voltage ranges. ??Or even half of the rated amps.
For more than a few milliseconds.

Ebay RD16HHF1 RF power FET's are often some random switcher FET with fresh ink.
That can even happen with the relatively cheap IRF510, why anybody would bother is beyond me.

But many have had surprisingly good luck with the $3 Nano's.
Including most Bitx40 owners.
Though they must be cutting corners where they can off the design of the $30 original.
??
And I did just order 50pcs of the AD8307 for less than I could get two out of Mouser
as per the last paragraph of this post: ??/g/BITX20/message/32675 ( /g/BITX20/message/32675 )
Got my fingers crossed.

Jerry

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:40 pm, Arv Evans wrote:


Regardless of what has been said about the on-board regulator being
questionable, it is a pretty
standard 3-terminal regulator it is usually good for at least 100 ma.?? I
have used a couple dozen
of the Asian manufactured NANO boards with +13.6 volts input and they all
worked just fine.????


I suspect that your concern about exceeding current limits may be valid
though because there is
no heat sink on those on-board regulators.?? Most of my Arduino based test
equipment uses the
on-board regulator for NANO and an attached LCD.?? Other circuitry is
powered from a 7805L or
higher current capable 7805 equivalent.??


There is a lot of not-invented-here and not-manufactured-here sentiment
among the ham radio
fraternity.?? Some of it justified and some is just myth and FUD (Fear,
Uncertainty, and Doubt).


Re: BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere

John P
 

Hearing someone talking to W1LY in and out, but can't make out who. Can't hear Willy.
--
John - WA2FZW


Re: BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere

 

I heard W1LY on earlier. ?I'm gonna move up to 7.285, it seemed clear


Re: BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere

John P
 

I'm also on. Hearing nothing in NJ
--
John - WA2FZW


Re: BITX QSO Night, Sunday, October 22, 7pm Local Time, 7277 kHz in North America, 7177 kHz elsewhere

 

I'm on the air, but there's a lot of traffic from the Illinois QSO party at the moment...


Re: Nano on-board regulator...was: I made a mistake

 

There are clearly a few items of ebay electronics about which some fear, uncertainty and doubt is in order.

For example, good luck getting 20 AH at 12v out of this:
? ?

Or getting the maximum rated amps out of any $2 switching (or linear) power supply
across the entire claimed input and output voltage ranges. ?Or even half of the rated amps.
For more than a few milliseconds.

Ebay RD16HHF1 RF power FET's are often some random switcher FET with fresh ink.
That can even happen with the relatively cheap IRF510, why anybody would bother is beyond me.

But many have had surprisingly good luck with the $3 Nano's.
Including most Bitx40 owners.
Though they must be cutting corners where they can off the design of the $30 original.
?
And I did just order 50pcs of the AD8307 for less than I could get two out of Mouser
as per the last paragraph of this post: ?/g/BITX20/message/32675
Got my fingers crossed.

Jerry


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:40 pm, Arv Evans wrote:
Regardless of what has been said about the on-board regulator being questionable, it is a pretty
standard 3-terminal regulator it is usually good for at least 100 ma.? I have used a couple dozen
of the Asian manufactured NANO boards with +13.6 volts input and they all worked just fine.??

I suspect that your concern about exceeding current limits may be valid though because there is
no heat sink on those on-board regulators.? Most of my Arduino based test equipment uses the
on-board regulator for NANO and an attached LCD.? Other circuitry is powered from a 7805L or
higher current capable 7805 equivalent.?

There is a lot of not-invented-here and not-manufactured-here sentiment among the ham radio
fraternity.? Some of it justified and some is just myth and FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt).


Re: I made a mistake

 

Hi Dale,

I'm hopeful that maybe you got a poorly done batch of clone boards.

I'll do some more testing.

Thanks for your feedback!

73, David KB4FXC

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Master Ice wrote:

Nope they didn't survive because the failure of the regulator meant that, when they blew, they went short circuit and slammed full 12V onto the Atmega.
The ones that I have had fail were all fitted with supposedly genuine (ha ha ha ) AMS1117-5 5V versions of the regulator.
Luckily the problem was dealt with by me before the product went to the client by the simple expedient of kludging a better 5V supply and ignoring the Nano regulator completely.
As an aside I puchased a few sacrificial batches of Chinese AMS1117-5 regulators and found that, on test, less than 50% were capable of handling more than 9V input safely.
Some manufacturers claim an input of <=12V while other claim 15V.
The joys of the game.

Dale G4IPZ


----- Original Message -----
From: Dexter N Muir
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] I made a mistake


Dale me ol' Chin-wah, commiserations - though if the rest of the chip survives you'll have a ready stock of Nanos to hand! That flaky reg is the reason for the Raduino's 78LM7805 regulator - that and the Nano's current drain being either too close to or over the max spec of a 78L05.
p.s. I've taken my 7805 to the other face of the PCB for heatsink clearance and accessibility. It allows me to sit stuff close to that side of the Raduino



Re: Nano on-board regulator...was: I made a mistake

 

Hi Arv,

Thanks for the comments. The Nano's I've got have a (clone, I'm sure)
AM1117-5.0 regulator. I noticed the datasheet says the ABS MAX input
voltage is 15VDC, a stark contrast to 26+ VDC MAX for LM2940 in the
"stock" Nano design, or even the 35VDC limit for 78xx series regulators.

I'll do some additional testing and make sure "LDO" doesn't stand for Low
Dropout OSCILLATOR! HiHI.

73, David KB4FXC

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Arv Evans wrote:

David KB4FXC

Regardless of what has been said about the on-board regulator being
questionable, it is a pretty
standard 3-terminal regulator it is usually good for at least 100 ma. I
have used a couple dozen
of the Asian manufactured NANO boards with +13.6 volts input and they all
worked just fine.

I suspect that your concern about exceeding current limits may be valid
though because there is
no heat sink on those on-board regulators. Most of my Arduino based test
equipment uses the
on-board regulator for NANO and an attached LCD. Other circuitry is
powered from a 7805L or
higher current capable 7805 equivalent.

There is a lot of *not-invented-here* and *not-manufactured-here* sentiment
among the ham radio
fraternity. Some of it justified and some is just myth and FUD (Fear,
Uncertainty, and Doubt).

Arv K7HKL
_._


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:11 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@...> wrote:

Hi Dale,

I'm designing a NANO project right now that uses the on-board regulator at
about +12v input. I'm only powering the atmega328p chip and 6 digital
outputs, consisting of low-current LEDs/opto-isolators. I've had no
problems, so far, with a random sampling of about a dozen cheapo
boards....My max current draw is perhaps 25mA. How much current were you
drawing from the regulator where it popped??

....Now I'm concerned that I may need to consider an external regulator.

Thanks,

73, David KB4FXC



Re: I made a mistake

Master Ice
 

?
Nope they didn't survive because the failure of the regulator?meant that, when they blew, they went short circuit and slammed full 12V onto the Atmega.
The ones that I have had fail were all fitted with supposedly genuine (ha ha ha )?AMS1117-5 5V versions of the regulator.
Luckily the problem was dealt with by me before the product went to the client by the simple expedient of kludging a better 5V supply and ignoring the Nano?regulator completely.
As an aside I puchased a few sacrificial?batches of Chinese AMS1117-5 regulators and found that, on test, less than 50% were capable of handling more than 9V input safely.
Some manufacturers claim an input of <=12V while other claim 15V.
The joys of the game.
?
Dale G4IPZ
?
?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] I made a mistake

Dale me ol' Chin-wah, commiserations - though if the rest of the chip survives you'll have a ready stock? of Nanos to hand! That flaky reg is the reason for the Raduino's 78LM7805 regulator - that and the Nano's current drain being either too close to or over the max spec of a 78L05.
p.s. I've taken my 7805 to the other face of the PCB for heatsink clearance and accessibility. It allows me to sit stuff close to that side of the Raduino

Virus-free.


Re: Nano on-board regulator...was: I made a mistake

 

David KB4FXC

Regardless of what has been said about the on-board regulator being questionable, it is a pretty
standard 3-terminal regulator it is usually good for at least 100 ma.? I have used a couple dozen
of the Asian manufactured NANO boards with +13.6 volts input and they all worked just fine.??

I suspect that your concern about exceeding current limits may be valid though because there is
no heat sink on those on-board regulators.? Most of my Arduino based test equipment uses the
on-board regulator for NANO and an attached LCD.? Other circuitry is powered from a 7805L or
higher current capable 7805 equivalent.?

There is a lot of not-invented-here and not-manufactured-here sentiment among the ham radio
fraternity.? Some of it justified and some is just myth and FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt).

Arv? K7HKL
_._


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:11 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@...> wrote:
Hi Dale,

I'm designing a NANO project right now that uses the on-board regulator at about +12v input. I'm only powering the atmega328p chip and? 6 digital outputs, consisting of low-current LEDs/opto-isolators. I've had no problems, so far, with a random sampling of about a dozen cheapo boards....My max current draw is perhaps 25mA. How much current were you drawing from the regulator where it popped??

....Now I'm concerned that I may need to consider an external regulator.

Thanks,

73, David KB4FXC



Re: Nano on-board regulator...was: I made a mistake

 

On the raduino, the si5351 is sucking as much as 35ma+5.6ma=40.6ma of 3.3v from the Nano assembly
as per table 3 on p5 of ?https://www.silabs.com/documents/public/data-sheets/Si5351-B.pdf
That 3.3v comes from a regulator tucked inside the USB chip at U2, whatever the clones are stuffing there.
? ??
That's a very significant extra load on U2.

The USB chip at U2 is powered from the Nano's 5v rail which could come from 12v vin through the
dinky 5v regulator at U3, though on the Raduino we instead have a separate 5v LM7805 in a TO220. ?
The Raduino's TO220 can get quite hot.
The Raduino would likely blow U3 if it didn't have a separate TO220 LM7805,
even if U3 was an honest ua78m05 in the sot223

Unless shaving pennies, I'd tend to just feed the Nano 5v and not borrow any 3.3v from it.
Especially if getting pot-luck Nano clones from Ebay.


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:11 pm, David McGough wrote:
I'm designing a NANO project right now that uses the on-board regulator at about +12v input. I'm only powering the atmega328p chip and? 6 digital outputs, consisting of low-current LEDs/opto-isolators. I've had no problems, so far, with a random sampling of about a dozen cheapo boards....My max current draw is perhaps 25mA. How much current were you drawing from the regulator where it popped??

....Now I'm concerned that I may need to consider an external regulator.


Re: Nano on-board regulator...was: I made a mistake

 

Hi Dale,

I'm designing a NANO project right now that uses the on-board regulator at about +12v input. I'm only powering the atmega328p chip and? 6 digital outputs, consisting of low-current LEDs/opto-isolators. I've had no problems, so far, with a random sampling of about a dozen cheapo boards....My max current draw is perhaps 25mA. How much current were you drawing from the regulator where it popped??

....Now I'm concerned that I may need to consider an external regulator.

Thanks,

73, David KB4FXC