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KB1GMX on the BITX
With Allison's permission, here is the message to EMRFD regarding the BITX.
This is good information from a master RF engineer. john AD5YE "Some thoughts on improving the bitx... First so there is no bad feelings Frhan did a bang up job with the design and its persistence speaks loads of the reproduceability and utility of the design. The yabut.. The BITX was not intended to be the high performance transceiver only low cost and its avoidance of hard to get parts. So there are compromises, a hard fact of engineering life. Things that may help or improve it based on the 40M version I built years ago. The mixers using 1N914/4148 diodes are not level 7 mixers (nominal 7dbm drive) like commercial DBMs. the reason for this is Schottky diodes have a lower turn on threshold than silicon junction diodes with the difference being .2V compared to .65V. This means you need more LO drive for the terminal impedance of all ports to be 50 ohms. It also means they are higher level mixers by about 3db. So enough drive is important to intermod and overload. Second the terminal impedance of the crystal filter and the various RF/IF amplifiers were optimized for 200 ohms the mixers are better at 50 ohms and there is no impedance matching to correct for that. This means that the DBMs are compromised in performance again for overload and IMD. The fix here is to insure all ports especially the IF port is matched to 50 ohms. It many radios I've built the DBM to IF amp has a Diplexer. Th reason for this is to insure the IF port sees a wide band (dc to 100mhz) match and only the desired IF pass though it. This keeps reflected signals from reentering the mixer and adding to the possible products. Choice of LO frequency. Unless there is a defining reason I use a LO that is Higher than the IF as in 40M with 12mhz if that would be 19mhz. For VFO that would be drifty but for a NCO (Si5351) its no big deal. Why? When mixing signals there are two known players (IF and LO) and many live signals in the band and they all mix so you get sums and differences and then harmonics of all those making sums and differences. A program like spurtune can list them all out and show what the result and likely strength of each will be. When the LO is lower than the IF the likely possibilities and their harmonic mixes are more numerous at or neat the RX pass band and IF passband. Again a low pass filter between the LO and the mixer can help sometimes. RF amplifier... For bands below 10mhz its likely not needed or needs to be very low gain as there are an abundance of strong signals. RF selectivity before the preamp is an aid in this and even adding switchable attenuators (I use 6 and 12DB so I can get 6/12/18db of attenuation) and in a strong signal cases that can help. Lowering the gain of the RF amp (for RX) can help as well. Another item is if the RF amp is not robust enough it can easily overload before the mixer, at that point all is lost to IMD. What high end radios do is use lots of current in the RF amp so its not easily overloaded then use a mixer that can tolerate that as well as its no sense having the RF amp be clean and overload the mixer. Its important to point out that for a given RF amp design and DC bias level there is a maximum signal level that will exceed it distortion capabilities. Differently said that amp has a maximum undistorted power out that must be spread over all the accepted signals often that means the amp must be very robust. An example is a RF amp I used in a radio that had to withstand 10dbm or more at the input in band and not overload. The amp ran at 160ma and could deliver .4W of two tone signal undistorted (better than 35db down). It actually used RF power devices (2xMRF584) to get that level of capability. Of course the next stage had to deal with that. The end result was a crunch proof radio but would be unforgiving about power used (RX needed 1.5A with .4A in the low level RF sections). It is sometimes easier to attenuate the offending signals (as well as desired) as a strategy. Why? because even if the RF amp is good enough and the mixer then the first IF (and maybe even second) need to be able to handle all that signal. In the end it tend to be a very "system" level problem rather than point solution. Other tricks are front end preselection using narrow tuneable band pass filters (loss is tolerable) to reject the offending players. Notch filters as well though at higher frequencies they may not be effective enough. Consider the case: Offending signal of -25dbm which is very strong. Add 17db of RF gain to that and its now -8dbm and any mixer below level 17 (50mw LO drive) will be overloaded. To make matters worse if the RF amp is running less than a maybe 10ma it will be overloaded itself as I've seen this. So we omit the RF amp and try again and a -25dbm signal is right below the limits for distortion for a level 7 (5mw lo drive) mixer. At this point 6DB of attenuation of RX is an aid as then the signal is down to -31dbm. Even without the RF amp the RX is sensitive enough to hear most likely signals your going to talk to and if need be you can even up the audio gain to compensate to a point. They key is managing the levels of all the signal passing through the RF and mixer or overload will be a very negative result. Excess gain often deemed desirable are not always helpful. My first pass with mine was the described switchable two step attenuator and then the ability to switch out the RX RF amp completely. Note that the Elecraft K2 (which has a very good receiver) took this path. FYI: small sugar cube relays are handy for this as they can be placed close to here needed and powered from a front panel switch. The BITX is a great experimenters radio and this is one area where experimenting can be useful of not required." Allison |
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Re: BITX40
jerry grzelak
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýTry a 001 cap from the regulator? from input and output to ground ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From: John Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 5:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BITX20] BITX40 ? Update: Mine still does that quiet clicking thing. It's just less prominent now. And still jittery on last digit, like I said.? And I wanted to check the current draw of the PA with the 20V supply. I found that R136 doesn't do much at 20V. When I experimented with R136 at 12V it made all the difference in the world. But the no audio current draw was 90mA and long aahhh current draw was as much as 1.3 Amps. Just something about that note in my voice makes it peak high, and normal talking is around 750mA. So, current draw is about the same, going from 12V to near max of 24V. No need to recalibrate after doing it at 12V. ? |
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Re: BITX40
Update: Mine still does that quiet clicking thing. It's just less prominent now. And still jittery on last digit, like I said.? And I wanted to check the current draw of the PA with the 20V supply. I found that R136 doesn't do much at 20V. When I experimented with R136 at 12V it made all the difference in the world. But the no audio current draw was 90mA and long aahhh current draw was as much as 1.3 Amps. Just something about that note in my voice makes it peak high, and normal talking is around 750mA. So, current draw is about the same, going from 12V to near max of 24V. No need to recalibrate after doing it at 12V. |
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Re: BITX40
There was discussion of "Tuning clicks" before. My Raduino had this and also the jitter on the last digit. I would describe it as a rustling noise rather than clicking. I tried caps around the 7805 regulator but the noise was still there. What made the noise inaudible was a series 10ohm and a 2200uF electrolytic to ground in the supply to the Raduino. (Values as available in my spares box.) Small 104 caps had no effect. It is a power supply problem. The DDS takes 78ma, as much as the rest of the receiver. Presumably when the DDS frequency changes, there are several milliseconds of much higher power demand. Like Mark, I think my bandpass filter might be off frequency. The rx seems much more sensitive at 7.5MHz than at 7.0. Next step is to test the tx side and I can more easily then plot the bandpass filter response. |
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Re: Need help with constant tone in audio output
Did you enable the analog vfo by adding L4? If the tone is still there with no vfo, that's a hint On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 01:07 pm, <chucke2@...> wrote:
Have disconnected the Raduino, tone still there. ? |
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Re: Need help with constant tone in audio output
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Re: Need help with constant tone in audio output
On Monday, 20 February 2017, Baruch Atta <baruchatta@...> wrote:
We follow 150 ohm of standard while manufacturing communication type Headphone or earphones... -- Please encourage recycling, reuse or repairing of E-waste. ?7?3? ?d?e? ?V?U?3?S?X?T? |
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Re: Need help with constant tone in audio output
I assume this tone is only present during receive. Do you receive amateur signals when an antenna is attached? ? How does the volume of this tone compare with the volume of received signals? Can you describe the tone? ?Is it a steady dc note? ?What frequency? Can you do things that cause the volume or frequency of this tone to change? Does it change in volume when you turn down the volume control? ?(If not. problem is in the LM386) Does it change in frequency as you tune the radio? Does it change in frequency when you poke your finger around C102 in the BFO? I suggest you work you way back through the receiver, shorting the signal to ground at each stage with a piece of wire to determine where the tone is coming from. ?Do you still have the tone when you short the top of C107 to ground? ?R37? ? Crystal side of C31? ?Crystal side of C23? ? Mixer side of C21? ?Mixer side of C13? ?Filter side of C11? ?The antenna? ?? I'm pretty sure it's ok to short those particular nodes to ground, but not my responsibility if you destroy something. ?You should look the schematics over hard, make sure you are probing the correct point, and verify that what you are doing won't cause harm. > ?I was approved to join this group. That's most reassuring. Jerry Gaffke, KE7ER On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 11:40 am, <chucke2@...> wrote:
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Re: Need help with constant tone in audio output
Baruch Atta
I use 8 ohm earphones.? Great sounds. On Feb 19, 2017 2:41 PM, <chucke2@...> wrote:
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Need help with constant tone in audio output
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý? Hi everyone. I was approved to join this group. I have a Bitx-40 XCVR. I have connected all the components to the board. I turn it on and can tune around. The Rx and Tx both work. But there is a tone coming out of the ¡®386. I cannot find the source of this tone. Has anyone come across this problem? I changed spkrs and have an 8 ohm in there now. Would appreciate any insite into this issue. ? 73, Chuck K3VPZ ? |
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Re: Choice of speaker makes a difference
philip yates
Worth experimenting with the speaker so I found out. I have an ex-Yaesu FT290 1W 8ohm speaker sat on top of the Bitx shipping box, sounded tinny, so I sat it on top of a cardboard tube, sounds really good now. Not bad for a 2inch speaker. Phil-G7BZD |
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Choice of speaker makes a difference
Your choice of a speaker for your BITX40 can really make a difference to the receive audio quality. I had been using a small 2-1/4 inch speaker (you can see it to the right of the circuit board in the picture) and struggling with the poor audio quality with lots of hiss. Picked up a small 8 ohm mobile communications speaker in a 3 x 3 x 2-1/4 inch deep black metal case and hooked it up to my Bitx40. Wow! what a difference, much of the hiss is gone and since the speaker is optimized for human voice frequencies, the SSB signals I tune in really stand out. It even improves listening to CW signals. 73, AL VE3RRD |
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Re: My next QRP rig..
It's a great rig. I got in on the first run before the kickstarter.? The only downside, for some people, is the requirement for a PC. There aren't any stand-alone ADC/DAC/DSP boards available that I could find. But I didn't look very deeply because I always need the computer for logging and digital modes anyway.? Eventually I'll get around to finishing my video review.? 73, N?ECK Join The Resistance! http://www.youtube.com/user/resistancehams Sent from my pocket computer |
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Re: compressor or processor for BITX40?
Hi The FT-817 guys have been down this path. Google around to find information. Here is one Randy, K7AGE On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:24 AM, Allard PE1NWL <pe1nwl@...> wrote: Yes I know that R136 is used to control the drive to the PA, and I have |
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Re: bitx output harmonics
Jack Purdum
What's this about and what did I miss? Might be a good one to attach to the original email. Jack, W8TEE From: John Backo via Groups.Io <iam74@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [BITX20] bitx output harmonics Pay attention to this one, guys. It is important. john AD5YE |
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Re: bitx output harmonics
ND6T had a nice informative post about a month before: ?? On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 10:05 pm, Ashhar Farhan wrote:
Wayne has provided a one-capacitor fix for the spectral output of the bitx. Just solder a 100pf across the L7. ? |