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Re: No BFO Adjustment

jerryk5lru
 

I think I found the problem, or at least part of it. I changed the 15pf capacitor in series with the variable cap and replaced it with a 22pf. I now have almost 2KC of tuning. I can actually hear changes when I adjust the variable cap. But it still doesn't seem like it is enough. I'll try and tune the carrior modulator and see how that goes. Jerry K5LRU

--- In BITX20@..., "Paul Daulton" <k5wms@...> wrote:



Jerry I wonder if your xtal&#92;s came with thie kit or you sourced them
some where else? Try swaping an xtal from filter with the bfo xtal.
Could the xtals be series resonant type? rather than parralell types?

Paul k5wms

Quoting jerryk5lru :

Arvid

I wound a 37-6 with fifty turns as per the calculator, worse. I shorted
the crystal and found I had moved lower to 6190. from the 8200. But
still had the 135 KC tunable range with the crystal shorted. I played
with the coil until I got it to the 9995. range with the crystal
shorted and still had 135 KC tuning range, when I removed the short it
went back to just a 5HZ tuning range.

--- In BITX20@..., arv wrote:

Jerry K5LRU

That indicates that your BFO oscillator should be tunable. Next step would
be to check capacitor and inductor values to make it tune across the crystal
frequency. You can change the inductor to a toroid core (T37-6 should work)
and adjust the turns until you get it to the right frequency. Toroid
calculator
located at can help with that task.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 10:59 PM, jerryk5lru wrote:

The crystal brand is KDS. I took your advice Arv and shorted the >
crystal out and the frequency tuned from 8104. MHz to 8239. Mhz 105
KC > range. But way lower than the 9995. Mhz area. Jerry K5LRU

--- In BITX20@... , arv > > wrote: > > > > > > Jerry
K5LRU > > > > > > The LC network in series with the crystal
(including series-C of the two > > > feedback divider caps) needs to
tune to the crystal frequency. Tuning > > > this resonant network a
bit above to a bit below the crystal frequency > > > is what pulls it
up or down. > > > > > > I would check the resonance components
associated with the crystal. > > > You might be able to get an idea
of what is going on by temporarily > > > soldering a very short wire
across the crystal to take it > > out-of-circuit. > > > Then check
the oscillator frequency. It should be close to the crystal > > >
frequency with the crystal shorted. Tuning range with the crystal > >
shorted will be more than with the crystal in-circuit, but this
will > > tell > > > you if your tunable network really is tunable. >
Arv K7HKL > > > _._ > > > > > > On 06/27/2013 12:02 PM,
Paul Daulton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What type and
brand of xtals are you using? > > > > > > > > Paul k5wms > > > > > >
Quoting jerryk5lru : > > > > > > > > This is a Bitx20 Version 3.
I'm almost done with it. The receiver > > > > receives good, the VFO
bandwidth is between 14,000. and 14,450. The > > > > exciter produces
a signal of 500mv and the PA kicks that up to > > around 4 > > > >
volts. When trying to tune the BFO and the carrier balance is where I
have the problem. My frequency is 9995.31 mhz at the emitter
of Q9. > > > > Here is where the problem starts. Leonards
instructions say I should > > > > have 15kc adjustment. But all I
have is about 3 hertz, not kilohertz > > > > with the 22pf trimmer.
So when I try to adjust the carrier balance, in > > > > transmit, 7
db down the filter skirt, I have no adjustment. The > > carrier > > >
balance is .321mv on the low side and .634mv on the high side. It >
nulls > > > > out in the middle of the pot. This is why I think I'm
not getting > > > > enough drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jerry K5LRU >
Paul Daulton K5WMS > > > > beacon WMS 185.302 khz
qrss30/slow 24/7 > > > > Jacksonville,Ar 72076 > > > > em34wu > > > >
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Re: No BFO Adjustment

 

I'd really be suspicious of having a wrong value capacitor in the BFO circuit. Almost anything else would cause a small difference, not the big change you have.
Leonard

--- In BITX20@..., "Paul Daulton" <k5wms@...> wrote:



Jerry I wonder if your xtal&#92;s came with thie kit or you sourced them
some where else? Try swaping an xtal from filter with the bfo xtal.
Could the xtals be series resonant type? rather than parralell types?

Paul k5wms

Quoting jerryk5lru :

Arvid

I wound a 37-6 with fifty turns as per the calculator, worse. I shorted
the crystal and found I had moved lower to 6190. from the 8200. But
still had the 135 KC tunable range with the crystal shorted. I played
with the coil until I got it to the 9995. range with the crystal
shorted and still had 135 KC tuning range, when I removed the short it
went back to just a 5HZ tuning range.

--- In BITX20@..., arv wrote:

Jerry K5LRU

That indicates that your BFO oscillator should be tunable. Next step would
be to check capacitor and inductor values to make it tune across the crystal
frequency. You can change the inductor to a toroid core (T37-6 should work)
and adjust the turns until you get it to the right frequency. Toroid
calculator
located at can help with that task.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 10:59 PM, jerryk5lru wrote:

The crystal brand is KDS. I took your advice Arv and shorted the >
crystal out and the frequency tuned from 8104. MHz to 8239. Mhz 105
KC > range. But way lower than the 9995. Mhz area. Jerry K5LRU

--- In BITX20@... , arv > > wrote: > > > > > > Jerry
K5LRU > > > > > > The LC network in series with the crystal
(including series-C of the two > > > feedback divider caps) needs to
tune to the crystal frequency. Tuning > > > this resonant network a
bit above to a bit below the crystal frequency > > > is what pulls it
up or down. > > > > > > I would check the resonance components
associated with the crystal. > > > You might be able to get an idea
of what is going on by temporarily > > > soldering a very short wire
across the crystal to take it > > out-of-circuit. > > > Then check
the oscillator frequency. It should be close to the crystal > > >
frequency with the crystal shorted. Tuning range with the crystal > >
shorted will be more than with the crystal in-circuit, but this
will > > tell > > > you if your tunable network really is tunable. >
Arv K7HKL > > > _._ > > > > > > On 06/27/2013 12:02 PM,
Paul Daulton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What type and
brand of xtals are you using? > > > > > > > > Paul k5wms > > > > > >
Quoting jerryk5lru : > > > > > > > > This is a Bitx20 Version 3.
I'm almost done with it. The receiver > > > > receives good, the VFO
bandwidth is between 14,000. and 14,450. The > > > > exciter produces
a signal of 500mv and the PA kicks that up to > > around 4 > > > >
volts. When trying to tune the BFO and the carrier balance is where I
have the problem. My frequency is 9995.31 mhz at the emitter
of Q9. > > > > Here is where the problem starts. Leonards
instructions say I should > > > > have 15kc adjustment. But all I
have is about 3 hertz, not kilohertz > > > > with the 22pf trimmer.
So when I try to adjust the carrier balance, in > > > > transmit, 7
db down the filter skirt, I have no adjustment. The > > carrier > > >
balance is .321mv on the low side and .634mv on the high side. It >
nulls > > > > out in the middle of the pot. This is why I think I'm
not getting > > > > enough drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jerry K5LRU >
Paul Daulton K5WMS > > > > beacon WMS 185.302 khz
qrss30/slow 24/7 > > > > Jacksonville,Ar 72076 > > > > em34wu > > > >
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have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this
message have been removed] > Paul Daulton K5WMS beacon WMS 185.302 khz
qrss30/slow 24/7 Jacksonville,Ar 72076 em34wu


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Re: No BFO Adjustment

 

Jerry I wonder if your xtal&#92;s came with thie kit or you sourced them
some where else? Try swaping an xtal from filter with the bfo xtal.
Could the xtals be series resonant type? rather than parralell types?

Paul k5wms

Quoting jerryk5lru :

Arvid

I wound a 37-6 with fifty turns as per the calculator, worse. I shorted
the crystal and found I had moved lower to 6190. from the 8200. But
still had the 135 KC tunable range with the crystal shorted. I played
with the coil until I got it to the 9995. range with the crystal
shorted and still had 135 KC tuning range, when I removed the short it
went back to just a 5HZ tuning range.

--- In BITX20@..., arv wrote:

Jerry K5LRU

That indicates that your BFO oscillator should be tunable. Next step would
be to check capacitor and inductor values to make it tune across the crystal
frequency. You can change the inductor to a toroid core (T37-6 should work)
and adjust the turns until you get it to the right frequency. Toroid
calculator
located at can help with that task.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 10:59 PM, jerryk5lru wrote:

The crystal brand is KDS. I took your advice Arv and shorted the >
crystal out and the frequency tuned from 8104. MHz to 8239. Mhz 105
KC > range. But way lower than the 9995. Mhz area. Jerry K5LRU

--- In BITX20@... , arv > > wrote: > > > > > > Jerry
K5LRU > > > > > > The LC network in series with the crystal
(including series-C of the two > > > feedback divider caps) needs to
tune to the crystal frequency. Tuning > > > this resonant network a
bit above to a bit below the crystal frequency > > > is what pulls it
up or down. > > > > > > I would check the resonance components
associated with the crystal. > > > You might be able to get an idea
of what is going on by temporarily > > > soldering a very short wire
across the crystal to take it > > out-of-circuit. > > > Then check
the oscillator frequency. It should be close to the crystal > > >
frequency with the crystal shorted. Tuning range with the crystal > >
shorted will be more than with the crystal in-circuit, but this
will > > tell > > > you if your tunable network really is tunable. >
Arv K7HKL > > > _._ > > > > > > On 06/27/2013 12:02 PM,
Paul Daulton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What type and
brand of xtals are you using? > > > > > > > > Paul k5wms > > > > > >
Quoting jerryk5lru : > > > > > > > > This is a Bitx20 Version 3.
I'm almost done with it. The receiver > > > > receives good, the VFO
bandwidth is between 14,000. and 14,450. The > > > > exciter produces
a signal of 500mv and the PA kicks that up to > > around 4 > > > >
volts. When trying to tune the BFO and the carrier balance is where I
have the problem. My frequency is 9995.31 mhz at the emitter
of Q9. > > > > Here is where the problem starts. Leonards
instructions say I should > > > > have 15kc adjustment. But all I
have is about 3 hertz, not kilohertz > > > > with the 22pf trimmer.
So when I try to adjust the carrier balance, in > > > > transmit, 7
db down the filter skirt, I have no adjustment. The > > carrier > > >
balance is .321mv on the low side and .634mv on the high side. It >
nulls > > > > out in the middle of the pot. This is why I think I'm
not getting > > > > enough drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jerry K5LRU >
Paul Daulton K5WMS > > > > beacon WMS 185.302 khz
qrss30/slow 24/7 > > > > Jacksonville,Ar 72076 > > > > em34wu > > > >
> > > >
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message have been removed] > Paul Daulton K5WMS beacon WMS 185.302 khz
qrss30/slow 24/7 Jacksonville,Ar 72076 em34wu


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Re: No BFO Adjustment

 

Jerry

Something really strange going on there. Do you have a different
crystal in the
same frequency range that could be substituted into the circuit?

Alternatively you might be able to build up a similar oscillator using
ugly-style
on a scrap of PCB and verify that your crystal can, or cannot, be
tuned. If you
don't reuse any L or C from the original circuit that would tell you if
the problem
is the crystal or one of the other components.

Since the IF filter crystals are the same frequency, it might be
possible to try one
of them in place of your present BFO crystal. Might prove something, or
might
not...?

The LC tuning mechanism can be changed from parallel to series, or
vice-versa,
to see if that makes a difference. My preference has always been to put
the L in
series with the C, and that in series with the crystal, but I have seen
it with the LC
network being parallel and that in series with the crystal. Both ways
usually seem
to work.

Arv
_._

On 06/28/2013 10:49 AM, jerryk5lru wrote:

Arvid

I wound a 37-6 with fifty turns as per the calculator, worse. I
shorted the crystal and found I had moved lower to 6190. from the
8200. But still had the 135 KC tunable range with the crystal shorted.
I played with the coil until I got it to the 9995. range with the
crystal shorted and still had 135 KC tuning range, when I removed the
short it went back to just a 5HZ tuning range.

--- In BITX20@... <mailto:BITX20%40yahoogroups.com>, arv
<arvid.evans@...> wrote:

Jerry K5LRU

That indicates that your BFO oscillator should be tunable. Next step
would
be to check capacitor and inductor values to make it tune across the
crystal
frequency. You can change the inductor to a toroid core (T37-6
should work)
and adjust the turns until you get it to the right frequency. Toroid
calculator
located at <> can help with that task.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 10:59 PM, jerryk5lru wrote:

The crystal brand is KDS. I took your advice Arv and shorted the
crystal out and the frequency tuned from 8104. MHz to 8239. Mhz
105 KC
range. But way lower than the 9995. Mhz area. Jerry K5LRU

--- In BITX20@... <mailto:BITX20%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:BITX20%40yahoogroups.com>, arv
<arvid.evans@> wrote:

Jerry K5LRU

The LC network in series with the crystal (including series-C of
the two
feedback divider caps) needs to tune to the crystal frequency.
Tuning
this resonant network a bit above to a bit below the crystal
frequency
is what pulls it up or down.

I would check the resonance components associated with the crystal.
You might be able to get an idea of what is going on by temporarily
soldering a very short wire across the crystal to take it
out-of-circuit.
Then check the oscillator frequency. It should be close to the
crystal
frequency with the crystal shorted. Tuning range with the crystal
shorted will be more than with the crystal in-circuit, but this
will
tell
you if your tunable network really is tunable.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 12:02 PM, Paul Daulton wrote:



What type and brand of xtals are you using?

Paul k5wms

Quoting jerryk5lru :

This is a Bitx20 Version 3. I'm almost done with it. The receiver
receives good, the VFO bandwidth is between 14,000. and
14,450. The
exciter produces a signal of 500mv and the PA kicks that up to
around 4
volts. When trying to tune the BFO and the carrier balance is
where I
have the problem. My frequency is 9995.31 mhz at the emitter
of Q9.
Here is where the problem starts. Leonards instructions say I
should
have 15kc adjustment. But all I have is about 3 hertz, not
kilohertz
with the 22pf trimmer. So when I try to adjust the carrier
balance, in
transmit, 7 db down the filter skirt, I have no adjustment. The
carrier
balance is .321mv on the low side and .634mv on the high side. It
nulls
out in the middle of the pot. This is why I think I'm not getting
enough drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jerry K5LRU

Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu










Re: No BFO Adjustment

jerryk5lru
 

Arvid

I wound a 37-6 with fifty turns as per the calculator, worse. I shorted the crystal and found I had moved lower to 6190. from the 8200. But still had the 135 KC tunable range with the crystal shorted. I played with the coil until I got it to the 9995. range with the crystal shorted and still had 135 KC tuning range, when I removed the short it went back to just a 5HZ tuning range.

--- In BITX20@..., arv <arvid.evans@...> wrote:

Jerry K5LRU

That indicates that your BFO oscillator should be tunable. Next step would
be to check capacitor and inductor values to make it tune across the crystal
frequency. You can change the inductor to a toroid core (T37-6 should work)
and adjust the turns until you get it to the right frequency. Toroid
calculator
located at <> can help with that task.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 10:59 PM, jerryk5lru wrote:

The crystal brand is KDS. I took your advice Arv and shorted the
crystal out and the frequency tuned from 8104. MHz to 8239. Mhz 105 KC
range. But way lower than the 9995. Mhz area. Jerry K5LRU

--- In BITX20@... <mailto:BITX20%40yahoogroups.com>, arv
<arvid.evans@> wrote:

Jerry K5LRU

The LC network in series with the crystal (including series-C of the two
feedback divider caps) needs to tune to the crystal frequency. Tuning
this resonant network a bit above to a bit below the crystal frequency
is what pulls it up or down.

I would check the resonance components associated with the crystal.
You might be able to get an idea of what is going on by temporarily
soldering a very short wire across the crystal to take it
out-of-circuit.
Then check the oscillator frequency. It should be close to the crystal
frequency with the crystal shorted. Tuning range with the crystal
shorted will be more than with the crystal in-circuit, but this will
tell
you if your tunable network really is tunable.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 12:02 PM, Paul Daulton wrote:



What type and brand of xtals are you using?

Paul k5wms

Quoting jerryk5lru :

This is a Bitx20 Version 3. I'm almost done with it. The receiver
receives good, the VFO bandwidth is between 14,000. and 14,450. The
exciter produces a signal of 500mv and the PA kicks that up to
around 4
volts. When trying to tune the BFO and the carrier balance is where I
have the problem. My frequency is 9995.31 mhz at the emitter of Q9.
Here is where the problem starts. Leonards instructions say I should
have 15kc adjustment. But all I have is about 3 hertz, not kilohertz
with the 22pf trimmer. So when I try to adjust the carrier balance, in
transmit, 7 db down the filter skirt, I have no adjustment. The
carrier
balance is .321mv on the low side and .634mv on the high side. It
nulls
out in the middle of the pot. This is why I think I'm not getting
enough drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jerry K5LRU

Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu

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Re: No BFO Adjustment

 

Jerry K5LRU

That indicates that your BFO oscillator should be tunable. Next step would
be to check capacitor and inductor values to make it tune across the crystal
frequency. You can change the inductor to a toroid core (T37-6 should work)
and adjust the turns until you get it to the right frequency. Toroid
calculator
located at <> can help with that task.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 10:59 PM, jerryk5lru wrote:

The crystal brand is KDS. I took your advice Arv and shorted the
crystal out and the frequency tuned from 8104. MHz to 8239. Mhz 105 KC
range. But way lower than the 9995. Mhz area. Jerry K5LRU

--- In BITX20@... <mailto:BITX20%40yahoogroups.com>, arv
<arvid.evans@...> wrote:

Jerry K5LRU

The LC network in series with the crystal (including series-C of the two
feedback divider caps) needs to tune to the crystal frequency. Tuning
this resonant network a bit above to a bit below the crystal frequency
is what pulls it up or down.

I would check the resonance components associated with the crystal.
You might be able to get an idea of what is going on by temporarily
soldering a very short wire across the crystal to take it
out-of-circuit.
Then check the oscillator frequency. It should be close to the crystal
frequency with the crystal shorted. Tuning range with the crystal
shorted will be more than with the crystal in-circuit, but this will
tell
you if your tunable network really is tunable.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 12:02 PM, Paul Daulton wrote:



What type and brand of xtals are you using?

Paul k5wms

Quoting jerryk5lru :

This is a Bitx20 Version 3. I'm almost done with it. The receiver
receives good, the VFO bandwidth is between 14,000. and 14,450. The
exciter produces a signal of 500mv and the PA kicks that up to
around 4
volts. When trying to tune the BFO and the carrier balance is where I
have the problem. My frequency is 9995.31 mhz at the emitter of Q9.
Here is where the problem starts. Leonards instructions say I should
have 15kc adjustment. But all I have is about 3 hertz, not kilohertz
with the 22pf trimmer. So when I try to adjust the carrier balance, in
transmit, 7 db down the filter skirt, I have no adjustment. The
carrier
balance is .321mv on the low side and .634mv on the high side. It
nulls
out in the middle of the pot. This is why I think I'm not getting
enough drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jerry K5LRU

Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu







Re: No BFO Adjustment

jerryk5lru
 

The crystal brand is KDS. I took your advice Arv and shorted the crystal out and the frequency tuned from 8104. MHz to 8239. Mhz 105 KC range. But way lower than the 9995. Mhz area. Jerry K5LRU

--- In BITX20@..., arv <arvid.evans@...> wrote:

Jerry K5LRU

The LC network in series with the crystal (including series-C of the two
feedback divider caps) needs to tune to the crystal frequency. Tuning
this resonant network a bit above to a bit below the crystal frequency
is what pulls it up or down.

I would check the resonance components associated with the crystal.
You might be able to get an idea of what is going on by temporarily
soldering a very short wire across the crystal to take it out-of-circuit.
Then check the oscillator frequency. It should be close to the crystal
frequency with the crystal shorted. Tuning range with the crystal
shorted will be more than with the crystal in-circuit, but this will tell
you if your tunable network really is tunable.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 12:02 PM, Paul Daulton wrote:



What type and brand of xtals are you using?

Paul k5wms

Quoting jerryk5lru :

This is a Bitx20 Version 3. I'm almost done with it. The receiver
receives good, the VFO bandwidth is between 14,000. and 14,450. The
exciter produces a signal of 500mv and the PA kicks that up to around 4
volts. When trying to tune the BFO and the carrier balance is where I
have the problem. My frequency is 9995.31 mhz at the emitter of Q9.
Here is where the problem starts. Leonards instructions say I should
have 15kc adjustment. But all I have is about 3 hertz, not kilohertz
with the 22pf trimmer. So when I try to adjust the carrier balance, in
transmit, 7 db down the filter skirt, I have no adjustment. The carrier
balance is .321mv on the low side and .634mv on the high side. It nulls
out in the middle of the pot. This is why I think I'm not getting
enough drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jerry K5LRU

Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu

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Re: No BFO Adjustment

 

Jerry K5LRU

The LC network in series with the crystal (including series-C of the two
feedback divider caps) needs to tune to the crystal frequency. Tuning
this resonant network a bit above to a bit below the crystal frequency
is what pulls it up or down.

I would check the resonance components associated with the crystal.
You might be able to get an idea of what is going on by temporarily
soldering a very short wire across the crystal to take it out-of-circuit.
Then check the oscillator frequency. It should be close to the crystal
frequency with the crystal shorted. Tuning range with the crystal
shorted will be more than with the crystal in-circuit, but this will tell
you if your tunable network really is tunable.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/27/2013 12:02 PM, Paul Daulton wrote:



What type and brand of xtals are you using?

Paul k5wms

Quoting jerryk5lru :

This is a Bitx20 Version 3. I'm almost done with it. The receiver
receives good, the VFO bandwidth is between 14,000. and 14,450. The
exciter produces a signal of 500mv and the PA kicks that up to around 4
volts. When trying to tune the BFO and the carrier balance is where I
have the problem. My frequency is 9995.31 mhz at the emitter of Q9.
Here is where the problem starts. Leonards instructions say I should
have 15kc adjustment. But all I have is about 3 hertz, not kilohertz
with the 22pf trimmer. So when I try to adjust the carrier balance, in
transmit, 7 db down the filter skirt, I have no adjustment. The carrier
balance is .321mv on the low side and .634mv on the high side. It nulls
out in the middle of the pot. This is why I think I'm not getting
enough drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jerry K5LRU

Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu




Re: No BFO Adjustment

 

What type and brand of xtals are you using?

Paul k5wms

Quoting jerryk5lru :

This is a Bitx20 Version 3. I'm almost done with it. The receiver
receives good, the VFO bandwidth is between 14,000. and 14,450. The
exciter produces a signal of 500mv and the PA kicks that up to around 4
volts. When trying to tune the BFO and the carrier balance is where I
have the problem. My frequency is 9995.31 mhz at the emitter of Q9.
Here is where the problem starts. Leonards instructions say I should
have 15kc adjustment. But all I have is about 3 hertz, not kilohertz
with the 22pf trimmer. So when I try to adjust the carrier balance, in
transmit, 7 db down the filter skirt, I have no adjustment. The carrier
balance is .321mv on the low side and .634mv on the high side. It nulls
out in the middle of the pot. This is why I think I'm not getting
enough drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jerry K5LRU


Paul Daulton K5WMS
beacon WMS 185.302 khz qrss30/slow 24/7
Jacksonville,Ar 72076
em34wu


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No BFO Adjustment

jerryk5lru
 

This is a Bitx20 Version 3. I'm almost done with it. The receiver receives good, the VFO bandwidth is between 14,000. and 14,450. The exciter produces a signal of 500mv and the PA kicks that up to around 4 volts. When trying to tune the BFO and the carrier balance is where I have the problem. My frequency is 9995.31 mhz at the emitter of Q9. Here is where the problem starts. Leonards instructions say I should have 15kc adjustment. But all I have is about 3 hertz, not kilohertz with the 22pf trimmer. So when I try to adjust the carrier balance, in transmit, 7 db down the filter skirt, I have no adjustment. The carrier balance is .321mv on the low side and .634mv on the high side. It nulls out in the middle of the pot. This is why I think I'm not getting enough drive. Any thoughts? Thanks, Jerry K5LRU


Re: More Power Out From Bitx 20/3?

 

Works for me!
_._

On 06/20/2013 12:43 PM, Leonard wrote:

Why can't you take the 12.6 volts supply for the 20a and at about 10
watts out the current draw is about 2 amps. Subtract about 300mas no
mod current and you get 12.6 x 1.7 = 21.42 watts. If you figure 50%
efficency you would have about 10.5 watts out.

If that doesn't work, let me know. It makes sense to me.
Leonard

--- In BITX20@... <mailto:BITX20%40yahoogroups.com>, arv
<arvid.evans@...> wrote:

Arnab - VU2BPW

This sometimes confuses me as well.

It seems that the key is in impedance relative to voltage and
current. If
we lower the impedance the current will increase and voltage will stay
the same.

In case of a push-pull output stage like the BITX20A, the output
transformer has a turns arrangement of 6 turns on the primary and 8
turns
on the secondary. Since the antenna presents a 50 ohm load and the
antenna LPF is designed for 50 ohms on each end, the impedance seen
by the MOSFETs would be lower than 50 ohms. This allows the current to
be more than would be the case if the MOSFETs were operating into a 50
ohm load.

In the original BITX and in the BITX Version-3, the final amplifier
is a
single
MOSFET operating into an autotransformer arrangement. This lowers the
impedance seen by the MOSFET, and allows higher current and higher
power than would be the case if the MOSFET were operating into a 50 ohm
load.

If we assume that a lower load impedance at the output device causes
more
current to flow, then increasing power is a matter of changing the
output
impedance transformation so that more current can flow and still
maintain
a 50 ohm match to the antenna. If the voltage remains the same, then the
impedance will be lower and power will be higher. Of course there
are some
limitations to this idea. Resistance in transformer windings, core
saturation
in transformers, on-resistance in MOSFETs, and non-linearity in MOSFET
devices all conspire to work against us in low voltage and high power
situations.

Arv - K7HKL
_._


On 06/20/2013 11:08 AM, arnab bhaumik wrote:

hi arv,

i am still a little bit confused. with 12volt and a single irf510
based design, how much rf power can we get??? 12volt rf across 50 ohm
load, so my calculation goes

12v * .707 = 8.484 rms

rms square = 8.484 * 8.484 = 71.978

rms square / 50 = 71.978/50 = 1.43watt.

it seems with the math formula we can get max 1.43 watt from 12volt
with single irf. thats why people increase the linear voltage to
24volt . so that they can get rf of around 5.75watt.

please clarify this.

arnab/vu2bpw

ps - this is the reason i tried irf push pull to get 5watt with
12volt
supply voltage. (but failed)

________________________________
From: arv <arvid.evans@... <mailto:arvid.evans%40gmail.com>>
To: BITX20@... <mailto:BITX20%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:BITX20%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] More Power Out From Bitx 20/3?



Rob

I think that it may take more than just increasing voltage to the
output
MOSFET. If you change the voltage the current will change and
impedances
involved will change. That would seem to require that the output
transformer
would then need to be re-designed for the new impedance in order
to match
the output LPF and antenna impedance.

Arv - K7HKL
_._

On 06/20/2013 07:43 AM, rob_kay14758 wrote:

Bitx is built and seems to be working o.k. on 20M,running on
external
13v supply. If i increased the voltage on the pa transistor only to
say 25v would we see much of an increase in power?
This circuit also looked interesting as an add on..........

Any thoughts....
Thanks
Rob









Re: More Power Out From Bitx 20/3?

 

Why can't you take the 12.6 volts supply for the 20a and at about 10 watts out the current draw is about 2 amps. Subtract about 300mas no mod current and you get 12.6 x 1.7 = 21.42 watts. If you figure 50% efficency you would have about 10.5 watts out.

If that doesn't work, let me know. It makes sense to me.
Leonard

--- In BITX20@..., arv <arvid.evans@...> wrote:

Arnab - VU2BPW

This sometimes confuses me as well.

It seems that the key is in impedance relative to voltage and current. If
we lower the impedance the current will increase and voltage will stay
the same.

In case of a push-pull output stage like the BITX20A, the output
transformer has a turns arrangement of 6 turns on the primary and 8 turns
on the secondary. Since the antenna presents a 50 ohm load and the
antenna LPF is designed for 50 ohms on each end, the impedance seen
by the MOSFETs would be lower than 50 ohms. This allows the current to
be more than would be the case if the MOSFETs were operating into a 50
ohm load.

In the original BITX and in the BITX Version-3, the final amplifier is a
single
MOSFET operating into an autotransformer arrangement. This lowers the
impedance seen by the MOSFET, and allows higher current and higher
power than would be the case if the MOSFET were operating into a 50 ohm
load.

If we assume that a lower load impedance at the output device causes more
current to flow, then increasing power is a matter of changing the output
impedance transformation so that more current can flow and still maintain
a 50 ohm match to the antenna. If the voltage remains the same, then the
impedance will be lower and power will be higher. Of course there are some
limitations to this idea. Resistance in transformer windings, core
saturation
in transformers, on-resistance in MOSFETs, and non-linearity in MOSFET
devices all conspire to work against us in low voltage and high power
situations.

Arv - K7HKL
_._


On 06/20/2013 11:08 AM, arnab bhaumik wrote:

hi arv,

i am still a little bit confused. with 12volt and a single irf510
based design, how much rf power can we get??? 12volt rf across 50 ohm
load, so my calculation goes

12v * .707 = 8.484 rms

rms square = 8.484 * 8.484 = 71.978

rms square / 50 = 71.978/50 = 1.43watt.

it seems with the math formula we can get max 1.43 watt from 12volt
with single irf. thats why people increase the linear voltage to
24volt . so that they can get rf of around 5.75watt.

please clarify this.

arnab/vu2bpw

ps - this is the reason i tried irf push pull to get 5watt with 12volt
supply voltage. (but failed)

________________________________
From: arv <arvid.evans@... <mailto:arvid.evans%40gmail.com>>
To: BITX20@... <mailto:BITX20%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] More Power Out From Bitx 20/3?



Rob

I think that it may take more than just increasing voltage to the output
MOSFET. If you change the voltage the current will change and impedances
involved will change. That would seem to require that the output
transformer
would then need to be re-designed for the new impedance in order to match
the output LPF and antenna impedance.

Arv - K7HKL
_._

On 06/20/2013 07:43 AM, rob_kay14758 wrote:

Bitx is built and seems to be working o.k. on 20M,running on external
13v supply. If i increased the voltage on the pa transistor only to
say 25v would we see much of an increase in power?
This circuit also looked interesting as an add on..........

Any thoughts....
Thanks
Rob

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Re: More Power Out From Bitx 20/3?

 

Arnab - VU2BPW

This sometimes confuses me as well.

It seems that the key is in impedance relative to voltage and current. If
we lower the impedance the current will increase and voltage will stay
the same.

In case of a push-pull output stage like the BITX20A, the output
transformer has a turns arrangement of 6 turns on the primary and 8 turns
on the secondary. Since the antenna presents a 50 ohm load and the
antenna LPF is designed for 50 ohms on each end, the impedance seen
by the MOSFETs would be lower than 50 ohms. This allows the current to
be more than would be the case if the MOSFETs were operating into a 50
ohm load.

In the original BITX and in the BITX Version-3, the final amplifier is a
single
MOSFET operating into an autotransformer arrangement. This lowers the
impedance seen by the MOSFET, and allows higher current and higher
power than would be the case if the MOSFET were operating into a 50 ohm
load.

If we assume that a lower load impedance at the output device causes more
current to flow, then increasing power is a matter of changing the output
impedance transformation so that more current can flow and still maintain
a 50 ohm match to the antenna. If the voltage remains the same, then the
impedance will be lower and power will be higher. Of course there are some
limitations to this idea. Resistance in transformer windings, core
saturation
in transformers, on-resistance in MOSFETs, and non-linearity in MOSFET
devices all conspire to work against us in low voltage and high power
situations.

Arv - K7HKL
_._


On 06/20/2013 11:08 AM, arnab bhaumik wrote:

hi arv,

i am still a little bit confused. with 12volt and a single irf510
based design, how much rf power can we get??? 12volt rf across 50 ohm
load, so my calculation goes

12v * .707 = 8.484 rms

rms square = 8.484 * 8.484 = 71.978

rms square / 50 = 71.978/50 = 1.43watt.

it seems with the math formula we can get max 1.43 watt from 12volt
with single irf. thats why people increase the linear voltage to
24volt . so that they can get rf of around 5.75watt.

please clarify this.

arnab/vu2bpw

ps - this is the reason i tried irf push pull to get 5watt with 12volt
supply voltage. (but failed)

________________________________
From: arv <arvid.evans@... <mailto:arvid.evans%40gmail.com>>
To: BITX20@... <mailto:BITX20%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] More Power Out From Bitx 20/3?



Rob

I think that it may take more than just increasing voltage to the output
MOSFET. If you change the voltage the current will change and impedances
involved will change. That would seem to require that the output
transformer
would then need to be re-designed for the new impedance in order to match
the output LPF and antenna impedance.

Arv - K7HKL
_._

On 06/20/2013 07:43 AM, rob_kay14758 wrote:

Bitx is built and seems to be working o.k. on 20M,running on external
13v supply. If i increased the voltage on the pa transistor only to
say 25v would we see much of an increase in power?
This circuit also looked interesting as an add on..........

Any thoughts....
Thanks
Rob



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Re: More Power Out From Bitx 20/3?

 

hi arv,

??? i am still a little bit confused. with 12volt and a single irf510 based design, how much rf power can we get??? 12volt rf? across 50 ohm load, so my calculation goes

???????????????????????? 12v * .707 = 8.484 rms

????????????????????????? rms square = 8.484 * 8.484? = 71.978
?
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? rms square / 50 = 71.978/50 = 1.43watt.

?it seems with the math formula we can get max 1.43 watt from 12volt with single irf. thats why people increase the linear voltage to 24volt . so that they can get rf of around 5.75watt.

???????????? please clarify this.

? arnab/vu2bpw


ps - this is the reason i tried irf push pull to get 5watt with 12volt supply voltage. (but failed)




________________________________
From: arv <arvid.evans@...>
To: BITX20@...
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [BITX20] More Power Out From Bitx 20/3?



?
Rob

I think that it may take more than just increasing voltage to the output
MOSFET. If you change the voltage the current will change and impedances
involved will change. That would seem to require that the output
transformer
would then need to be re-designed for the new impedance in order to match
the output LPF and antenna impedance.

Arv - K7HKL
_._

On 06/20/2013 07:43 AM, rob_kay14758 wrote:

Bitx is built and seems to be working o.k. on 20M,running on external
13v supply. If i increased the voltage on the pa transistor only to
say 25v would we see much of an increase in power?
This circuit also looked interesting as an add on..........

Any thoughts....
Thanks
Rob

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Re: More Power Out From Bitx 20/3?

 

Rob

I think that it may take more than just increasing voltage to the output
MOSFET. If you change the voltage the current will change and impedances
involved will change. That would seem to require that the output
transformer
would then need to be re-designed for the new impedance in order to match
the output LPF and antenna impedance.

Arv - K7HKL
_._

On 06/20/2013 07:43 AM, rob_kay14758 wrote:

Bitx is built and seems to be working o.k. on 20M,running on external
13v supply. If i increased the voltage on the pa transistor only to
say 25v would we see much of an increase in power?
This circuit also looked interesting as an add on..........

Any thoughts....
Thanks
Rob


More Power Out From Bitx 20/3?

 

Bitx is built and seems to be working o.k. on 20M,running on external 13v supply. If i increased the voltage on the pa transistor only to say 25v would we see much of an increase in power?
This circuit also looked interesting as an add on..........

Any thoughts....
Thanks
Rob


Re: inductor for digital Bitx20a v1.3

Dale Putnam
 

That should work just fine.


Have a great day,


--... ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy




To: BITX20@...
From: kg6wni@...
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:09:19 +0000
Subject: [BITX20] inductor for digital Bitx20a v1.3


























I'm putting together the frequency counter/digital dial for my Bitx20a

V1.3. In the BOM L1 is 4k7 uhy, the one that came with my kit has 2R7 on it. Is this OK our should I get the right one.

Thanks Leo

kg6wni@...



















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inductor for digital Bitx20a v1.3

 

I'm putting together the frequency counter/digital dial for my Bitx20a
V1.3. In the BOM L1 is 4k7 uhy, the one that came with my kit has 2R7 on it. Is this OK our should I get the right one.
Thanks Leo
kg6wni@...


Re: Advice on using a two-tone oscillator to set up a Hendricks bitx20a

 

Thanks for reply. I think I will not fit extra resistor then and I'll just drop levels using the pot that is part of oscillator kit. I don't have the resistor fitted in bitx20a, I was trying using a dynamic mike. I have heard received various stations but not yet talked to anyone... I bought/made up a simple 20m dipole a couple of weeks ago and when checked that was resonant on 20m band but I have not yet rigged that up permanently. I will try to make some notes as I use the two-tone test oscillator but that will be later in week now.
Dave Price - MW0PRI

--- In BITX20@..., arv <arvid.evans@...> wrote:

Dave MW0PRI

45 to 50 mv is the best level. If using a signal generator input you will
need to disconnect R-92 so that it is not trying to pull your signal
generator output to +12 volts.

I don't remember anybody publishing results from using the two-tone
method for BITX20A alignment. Others on this group would probably
be interested in how you did it, and in how well it worked.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/16/2013 02:31 PM, DaveP wrote:

Dear All,

I am still messing with final alignment of my bitx20a. Having read
advice, and given I quite like building things, I have just built a
simple "tone tone oscillator" kit to help set up the bitx20a. The kit
has an "optional" resistor to let me reduce output levels. Without it,
the maximum p-p voltage is about 450mv, but I can reduce that lots
with a pot on board. They then say I should fit a resistor they
supply, it says it will drop maximum output to about 30mv p-p. I have
had some troubles getting a mike that will drive the bitx20a
properly... What maximum p-p I am best setting on my test oscillator
to drive into bitx20a mike socket?
Thanks, Dave Price - now MW0PRI (was 2W0DVP). p.s. kit from Walford
electronics in uk and generates a mix of about 1590hz and 725hz (or
one or other).



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Re: Advice on using a two-tone oscillator to set up a Hendricks bitx20a

 

Dave MW0PRI

45 to 50 mv is the best level. If using a signal generator input you will
need to disconnect R-92 so that it is not trying to pull your signal
generator output to +12 volts.

I don't remember anybody publishing results from using the two-tone
method for BITX20A alignment. Others on this group would probably
be interested in how you did it, and in how well it worked.

Arv K7HKL
_._

On 06/16/2013 02:31 PM, DaveP wrote:

Dear All,

I am still messing with final alignment of my bitx20a. Having read
advice, and given I quite like building things, I have just built a
simple "tone tone oscillator" kit to help set up the bitx20a. The kit
has an "optional" resistor to let me reduce output levels. Without it,
the maximum p-p voltage is about 450mv, but I can reduce that lots
with a pot on board. They then say I should fit a resistor they
supply, it says it will drop maximum output to about 30mv p-p. I have
had some troubles getting a mike that will drive the bitx20a
properly... What maximum p-p I am best setting on my test oscillator
to drive into bitx20a mike socket?
Thanks, Dave Price - now MW0PRI (was 2W0DVP). p.s. kit from Walford
electronics in uk and generates a mix of about 1590hz and 725hz (or
one or other).