Re: Funtronics uBitx digi interface installation in V6
Guys,?
This is a hobby. ?Whatever brings satisfaction to your head and a warm glow to your heart (and lowers your blood pressure and helps you tolerate all the rest of the world) when you walk out of your shack is fine and OK in my book. ?Maybe for me it¡¯s just breathing in rosin core solder smoke that does it. But it has been working for 62 years¡¡?
Dave K8WPE since 1960 and even before as an SWL and AM broadcast listener¡. Oh those were the days. David J. Wilcox¡¯s iPad
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On Aug 16, 2022, at 11:54 AM, david todd via groups.io <ac9xh@...> wrote:
?Justin ,i went to their website and it looks like a keyer.  its something i wouldnt install in my ubitx v6 but to each their own.probably has a decoder for those who like to send way faster than they can copy cw.HI HI. Im a purist. decoders for cw are an insult to the cw community as a whole if you operate cw.this is from their website:K3NG¡¯s arduino code, such as LCD display, USB keyboard, rotary encoder and CW decoder etc. looks nice for shortwave listeners who like to tune in those secret signals, but just my opinion,? my decoder is my ears. you always know someone is using a decoder when there is a little bit of adjacent noise and the decoder cant tune it in. even though your signals and theirs are 599. decoders for those who try to appear to copy way way faster than they are able to.sometimes they use the programmable keyrs to make canned contacts too.Sometimes "SOME" those who use decoders? are the ones who apply for fast code decoding awards from the ARRL w1aw bulletins. 73 David ac9xh
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Re: Funtronics uBitx digi interface installation in V6
Your friend is happy with his ability to make thousands of contacts mechanically. I think that trying to improve him and his ability would be a waste of time. If a hobby is doing what a hobby is supposed to do for a person just leave them alone. ?I have a few friends that use their CW decoders all the time and they are happy collecting countries and wall paper¡.. they just do it differently than I do. ?I found the same with RC airplanes¡.. some buy their planes already built and others build and repair their planes themselves¡. They both were happy with their hobby.
Reminds me of RTTY. ?Let the machines do it all. ?To each his own. ?I left FT8 because it just made contacts, not true conversations.?
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On Aug 16, 2022, at 7:16 PM, Richard Spohn <wb2gxm@...> wrote:
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David, this is really, really sad. Your friend is missing out on so many things -- the thrill of learning and developing new skills, the joy of conversing in a new language, not to mention the brain-building and brain-health maintenance that CW provides to its practitioners. And one more loss -- I, for one, will NEVER have a meaningful QSO with him. -- Rich WB2GXM last point of my opinion, and i apologize if i come across as a hater,but im not.
Friend of mine is a no code ham. he learned the basics of the code and uses a decoder to decode the cw. he sends about 20 wpm with his paddle ,which doesnt make sense because he cant copy past 6 wpm with his ears. i proved this with on air copy. doing about 8 to 10 wpm. he said he couldnt copy it even though he sends really fast. he doesnt try to decode the cw in his head since the decoder is doing it for him. I told him if you can send 20wpm you should be able to receive faster than 8. no way. i had 3 other hams verify this. WEIRD,BUT TRUE.He stated"why learn to copy faster when i have my decoder. he uses software to do this on his not knocking him,but i did explain the reasonings of not using one.happy he is trying cw and using it,but the decoder gives him a false sense of accomplishment. he has been using this setup for several years and still cant copy faster than about 6 wpm. WEIRD ISNT IT. My friend is an engineer for 30 years, very very smart, but has been ruined by his decoder. HI HI.3 of us have been working with him with various,various methods, and we even paid for his classes,etc just to be friendly. he went,but the instructor stated "ive never seen anyone who can send 20wpm and not copy by ear at least over 6 wpm. He refuses to try to fill his head with the decode but can send 20 wpm with his paddle. foud out some of his secret. he uses precanned groups of statements. qth,radio,rst,etc. He goes thro the motions and then after his decoder decodes the other hams info he clicks the statements he wants sent next,it also includes the 73,etc. .very canned,very brief, using decoder and software on computer.? is he running cw? yes,but with an analog radio and no goodies attached to it,like a decoder,he is dead in the water without it.Ive praised him over and over for trying CW,but He stated "i can make 1000s of cw contacts and basically not even know CW"The computer and decoder will do it all for me.His words,not so his paddle is basically for looks. he uses computer control to do the sending 99% of the time.
please inform the other end u are using one if you cant decode the signals when adjacent qrn,qrm,qsb affects it or you are in a is leads to abrupt endings of qsos. or qsos that really seem robot operated.I ran into this when doing ft8. Someone calling cq forever and not responding to others who respond to their CQ.
just my own opinion of it.
73
David
ac9xh
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Re: #sbitx - an ugprade kit is on the way
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tnx a lot for the service. After first attempt to transmit the sBitx went dead but after unmounting the RPI and the display I found out that just the 4A fuse was blown. I am sticking to 5W until the buck converter is installed.?
Vy73 de
Rolf, DL8BAG?
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Re: DAYLIGHT RADIO - PLASTIC TOROID MASTER
?Learning things I never knew
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On Aug 16, 2022, at 22:43, David McGaw <david.g.mcgaw@...> wrote:
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Indeed.? Like many things, true in the limit.? A toroid with just a
few turns does have significant stray fields, but better than a
solenoid coil.
D
On 8/16/22 7:39 PM, Ashhar Farhan via
groups.io wrote:
David,
I did a bit of experimental work on this. The
toroids need more than 15 turns or so for the self-shielding
to work well.
At fewer turns, the shielding though better than
that of a conventional inductor, wasn't good enough to be used
in a bandpass filter. In the Daylight radio, I had to add
shielding between the three sections.
- f
Yes, understood.? Just thought I would let it be known
that it is not the core that shields a toroid.? It is
inherent in its shape.? Physics.? :-)
On 8/16/22 9:49 AM, Ashhar Farhan via
wrote:
David,
Shielding is not the issue. Losses are.
Lower Q leads to higher losses. The Q is determined by
the material inside the toroid. Air/Vacuum is the best
material with least losses for an inductor, whether a
solenoid or a toroid.
Toriodal inductors are inherently shielded by
their geometry, no matter what the core material is,
air, ferrite or other.
73,
David N1HAC
On 8/15/22 8:24 PM, Ashhar Farhan via wrote:
David,
The inside of the toroid should
be hollow and it not hollow it should have as
little in-fill as possible. This is the key to
high performance 3D printed toroids. PLA or
ABS are lossy and they can lead to lossy
filters.
- f
would not a simple tubing do the same??
.. the "shielding" of a coil wound on a
ferrite core comes from the core material
... so i guess a normal pastic tubing will
work equally well if not better (fewer
loss cause fewer plastic inside the coil)
so ... what is the reason to print
plastic toroids??
dg9bfc sigi
Am 15.08.2022 um 23:50 schrieb David R.
Hassall WA5DJJ:
Dear group,
I asked a friend of mine to build a
master toroid stl file that we can put
in our 3D printer software and come up
with the plastic toroids almost any size
we want.?? The Master was built on the
basic size of 1 inch in diameter with a
height of 1/2 inch and a thickness of?
0.2 inches.?? I use the CURA program to
build my 3D printer files and it will
allow me to scale all three axes once
the basic 25mm toroid.stl file is loaded
into the software.? It also allows you
to print almost any number of a basic
design in one printing.?? Here are some
examples that I printed this morning:
![toroid pic]()
I just used the scaling values of 25%,
50%, 75% and 100% to get the different
sized plastic toroids pictured above.?
So with the master stl file anyone with
a 3D printer should be able to print
almost any size plastic toroid form that
you would need.?? I have attached the
master stl file to this Message and it
should enable anyone with a 3D printer
to make the plastic Toroids that they
need for the Daylight Radio Project.
Take care and have fun.
73 Dave WA5DJJ
SUPER QRSS GRABBER
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Vince?
you want the 5¡± enhanced? I have that.?
73
Mark
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Re: #sbitx sn 0071 is alive!
#sBitx
I want to be able to receive js8call messages relayed to my email or siganl. This is in the skunkworks.
Farhan - Yes, I do see the console activity on port 7000 - yet another cool thing that this amazing radio does. The text interface capability would make possible remote digital modes QSOs and control through simple devices - maybe an ESP32 based handheld device or a simple smartphone app.
So many possibilities for experimentation and hacking have been made possible with the sBitx. I'm doing something right now that I would have never thought possible with a ham radio - I'm responding to your email using a browser running on my sBitx!
73; Steve, N3SB
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 7:50 PM Ashhar Farhan < farhanbox@...> wrote: Steve, You might want to telnet to port 7000 of the rpi while sbitx is running. This an easter egg yet, I am not sure if I should produce a telnet remote or a web/http based remote facility.? It only shows the console output yet. The source code is at?
Thanks Steve!
Farhan;
You
have created an amazing radio. I love that the radio has the ability
to recompile it's own software. I love that the code is open-source,
so that changes can easily be made to add features, and tailor the
radio to behave exactly the way I want it to.
I've
enabled SSH so that I can remotely log into my radio from a laptop
and do things from the command line, while sitting on my sofa in
another room watching the news. I've installed XRDP so that I can
remotely log into the desktop from my laptop and run the sBitx
software remotely. I haven't gotten sound working via RDP yet; that's
a bit more complex from a linux host. For
now I¡¯m using a bluetooth transmitter plugged into the headphone
jack. The Rpi has bluetooth built-in, but the sbitx app is not set up
to route audio to the BT device. Will have to investigate that
option....
The
sBitx should really appeal to those who are comfortable with
computers, and like to experiment with software vs solder and wire.
This radio has really been a blast - and is also a great way to learn
more about DSP algorithms and linux in general.
73;
Steve, N3SB
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Re: Funtronics uBitx digi interface installation in V6
I personally refuse to be an ARRL member, but ft8 is completely different than CW ,.That we all know.I wouldnt recognize ft8 for cw awards, but thats me.
anyway jack,
73
hpe to get my paws on your new t41 soon.
David
ac9xh
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Re: DAYLIGHT RADIO - PLASTIC TOROID MASTER
Indeed.? Like many things, true in the limit.? A toroid with just a
few turns does have significant stray fields, but better than a
solenoid coil.
D
On 8/16/22 7:39 PM, Ashhar Farhan via
groups.io wrote:
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David,
I did a bit of experimental work on this. The
toroids need more than 15 turns or so for the self-shielding
to work well.
At fewer turns, the shielding though better than
that of a conventional inductor, wasn't good enough to be used
in a bandpass filter. In the Daylight radio, I had to add
shielding between the three sections.
- f
Yes, understood.? Just thought I would let it be known
that it is not the core that shields a toroid.? It is
inherent in its shape.? Physics.? :-)
On 8/16/22 9:49 AM, Ashhar Farhan via
wrote:
David,
Shielding is not the issue. Losses are.
Lower Q leads to higher losses. The Q is determined by
the material inside the toroid. Air/Vacuum is the best
material with least losses for an inductor, whether a
solenoid or a toroid.
Toriodal inductors are inherently shielded by
their geometry, no matter what the core material is,
air, ferrite or other.
73,
David N1HAC
On 8/15/22 8:24 PM, Ashhar Farhan via wrote:
David,
The inside of the toroid should
be hollow and it not hollow it should have as
little in-fill as possible. This is the key to
high performance 3D printed toroids. PLA or
ABS are lossy and they can lead to lossy
filters.
- f
would not a simple tubing do the same??
.. the "shielding" of a coil wound on a
ferrite core comes from the core material
... so i guess a normal pastic tubing will
work equally well if not better (fewer
loss cause fewer plastic inside the coil)
so ... what is the reason to print
plastic toroids??
dg9bfc sigi
Am 15.08.2022 um 23:50 schrieb David R.
Hassall WA5DJJ:
Dear group,
I asked a friend of mine to build a
master toroid stl file that we can put
in our 3D printer software and come up
with the plastic toroids almost any size
we want.?? The Master was built on the
basic size of 1 inch in diameter with a
height of 1/2 inch and a thickness of?
0.2 inches.?? I use the CURA program to
build my 3D printer files and it will
allow me to scale all three axes once
the basic 25mm toroid.stl file is loaded
into the software.? It also allows you
to print almost any number of a basic
design in one printing.?? Here are some
examples that I printed this morning:
![toroid pic]()
I just used the scaling values of 25%,
50%, 75% and 100% to get the different
sized plastic toroids pictured above.?
So with the master stl file anyone with
a 3D printer should be able to print
almost any size plastic toroid form that
you would need.?? I have attached the
master stl file to this Message and it
should enable anyone with a 3D printer
to make the plastic Toroids that they
need for the Daylight Radio Project.
Take care and have fun.
73 Dave WA5DJJ
SUPER QRSS GRABBER
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Re: Funtronics uBitx digi interface installation in V6
On 8/16/22 16:19, david todd via groups.io wrote: last point of my opinion, and i apologize if i come across as a hater,but im not.
Some of us have a genetic anomaly that makes learning CW impossible. Had I understood this decades ago I might have licensed under a medical waver. Since code is not required anymore I had little difficulty getting involved. Bruce W. ~KV4OE~
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Re: #sbitx sn 0071 is alive!
#sBitx
Farhan - Yes, I do see the console activity on port 7000 - yet another cool thing that this amazing radio does. The text interface capability would make possible remote digital modes QSOs and control through simple devices - maybe an ESP32 based handheld device or a simple smartphone app.
So many possibilities for experimentation and hacking have been made possible with the sBitx. I'm doing something right now that I would have never thought possible with a ham radio - I'm responding to your email using a browser running on my sBitx!
73; Steve, N3SB
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 7:50 PM Ashhar Farhan < farhanbox@...> wrote: Steve, You might want to telnet to port 7000 of the rpi while sbitx is running. This an easter egg yet, I am not sure if I should produce a telnet remote or a web/http based remote facility.? It only shows the console output yet. The source code is at?
Thanks Steve!
Farhan;
You
have created an amazing radio. I love that the radio has the ability
to recompile it's own software. I love that the code is open-source,
so that changes can easily be made to add features, and tailor the
radio to behave exactly the way I want it to.
I've
enabled SSH so that I can remotely log into my radio from a laptop
and do things from the command line, while sitting on my sofa in
another room watching the news. I've installed XRDP so that I can
remotely log into the desktop from my laptop and run the sBitx
software remotely. I haven't gotten sound working via RDP yet; that's
a bit more complex from a linux host. For
now I¡¯m using a bluetooth transmitter plugged into the headphone
jack. The Rpi has bluetooth built-in, but the sbitx app is not set up
to route audio to the BT device. Will have to investigate that
option....
The
sBitx should really appeal to those who are comfortable with
computers, and like to experiment with software vs solder and wire.
This radio has really been a blast - and is also a great way to learn
more about DSP algorithms and linux in general.
73;
Steve, N3SB
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Mark, Go ahead and do it. You have two safety nets. First, the original sd cd image is on the gdrive link on (it is too large to be on github. Second, you can make an SD card backup from the menu (I dont remember where exactly it is). Or you can use the venerable dd command (look up the usage on rpi forums). Except for the config.txt, I don't see why apt update should change anything. Try both.
My sbitx basic kit arrived today and works perfectly (sbitx #77 is on the air as I type). I'm keeping it under 10w for now until I replace the voltage regulator, but so far so good.?
The linux admin in me wants very desperately to run an apt update/upgrade on this, but I wanted to make sure first that the currently sbitx software isn't relying on the specific versions of anything that were pre-installed on the sdcard that was shipped with it. Is it expected that we would maintain these as any other raspberry pi and perform that update?
My intention is to have this connected to the internet and remotely accessible so I would want to apply security/bug patches from the apt repositories regularly.?
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My sbitx basic kit arrived today and works perfectly (sbitx #77 is on the air as I type). I'm keeping it under 10w for now until I replace the voltage regulator, but so far so good.?
The linux admin in me wants very desperately to run an apt update/upgrade on this, but I wanted to make sure first that the currently sbitx software isn't relying on the specific versions of anything that were pre-installed on the sdcard that was shipped with it. Is it expected that we would maintain these as any other raspberry pi and perform that update?
My intention is to have this connected to the internet and remotely accessible so I would want to apply security/bug patches from the apt repositories regularly.?
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Re: Funtronics uBitx digi interface installation in V6
I believe it was an ARRL award, but it was long enough ago that it was probably one of the first FT8 WAS awards. Did the rules change? (I don't follow those things.)
Jack, W8TEE
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 09:25:33 PM EDT, david todd via groups.io <ac9xh@...> wrote:
I agree with all of you. I personally practice listening to 30 and 35 wpm practice sessions so its easier to copy 25 wpm qsos. But i never try to transmit faster than i copy.I find he hasnt been having 1000s of contacts,but oh well. guess he wants the robot touch.I have asked when he is on the air ,and tried to do a rag chew session with him but after i exchange certain things in the qso, its" tnx qso 73" and its me , his friend for quite awhile. arrrrgh.I told him, when you get off the computer and get real, let me know and we will go as slow as you want and have a real qso
Ive told him all this but with no headway. Curious ,Jack how did the club member get past the awards committee with ft8 instead of CW for WAS? That would be very irritating.Was this an internal club award or ARRL award? just curious.
73 David ac9xh
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 08:05:19 PM EDT, Tom Sevart <tmsevart@...> wrote:
Frankly I believe that one should never send CW faster than they can
copy.? I don't know what he intends to do if the decoder malfunctions or
his computer freezes up.? Or try to copy the other station when their
signal is weak enough or conditions too noisy to get a good decode.
--
Tom Sevart N2UHC
St. Paul, KS
-- Jack, W8TEE
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Thanks Ashhar.
Any suggestion of a link where to buy it? Where is it located in the main sbitx board?
Btw, this radio is a dream! I really like the way you used the 2 LR channels of the audio codec!
Rafael
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On 8/17/22 03:15, Ashhar Farhan wrote: Rafael,
I would suggest installing a switching regulator before you pump up to such high levels.
The transistors need to run cool.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 5:27 AM Rafael Diniz <rafael@...> wrote:
Hi everybody,
Got impressed that the wattmeter showed peaks of 66W on CW on 40m
band!
Yay!
That is correct, right?
Thanks,
Rafael
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Re: Funtronics uBitx digi interface installation in V6
I agree with all of you. I personally practice listening to 30 and 35 wpm practice sessions so its easier to copy 25 wpm qsos. But i never try to transmit faster than i copy.I find he hasnt been having 1000s of contacts,but oh well. guess he wants the robot touch.I have asked when he is on the air ,and tried to do a rag chew session with him but after i exchange certain things in the qso, its" tnx qso 73" and its me , his friend for quite awhile. arrrrgh.I told him, when you get off the computer and get real, let me know and we will go as slow as you want and have a real qso
Ive told him all this but with no headway. Curious ,Jack how did the club member get past the awards committee with ft8 instead of CW for WAS? That would be very irritating.Was this an internal club award or ARRL award? just curious.
73 David ac9xh
On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 08:05:19 PM EDT, Tom Sevart <tmsevart@...> wrote:
Frankly I believe that one should never send CW faster than they can
copy.? I don't know what he intends to do if the decoder malfunctions or
his computer freezes up.? Or try to copy the other station when their
signal is weak enough or conditions too noisy to get a good decode.
--
Tom Sevart N2UHC
St. Paul, KS
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Re: File /3.2 & 3.5 for Nextion and CEC 1.095/ubitx_35D7.HMI uploaded
#file-notice
any chance of finding the file for a 5 inch display for? CDC load?
vince
n2aie
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Re: #sbitx - an ugprade kit is on the way
#sBitx
Thanks,..
looking forward to receiving my kit.
vince
n2aie
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I'd be more concerned than impressed - that seems way too high, given the components used.
Ken, N2VIP
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On Aug 16, 2022, at 19:57, Rafael Diniz <rafael@...> wrote:
Hi everybody,
Got impressed that the wattmeter showed peaks of 66W on CW on 40m band! Yay!
That is correct, right?
Thanks,
Rafael
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Rafael, I would suggest installing a switching regulator before you pump up to such high levels. The transistors need to run cool.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 5:27 AM Rafael Diniz < rafael@...> wrote: Hi everybody,
Got impressed that the wattmeter showed peaks of 66W on CW on 40m band!
Yay!
That is correct, right?
Thanks,
Rafael
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Max, Keven Loughin, KB9RLW, did a Youtube video, "Ham Radio - The doublet vs EFHW noise rejection cmparison."? where he shows the effects his and his neighbors inverters have on reception. He lives in a RV and has converted just about everything in his RV to run off 12V and seldom runs his inverter.
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