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Re: No mic audio

 

Tom,

Just tug your defective meters probe wires holding the probes and do the same at the meter end.
These wires fray and probably that why you got low readings.

Raj

At 15-05-18, you wrote:
PROBLEM SOLVED!

Well, actually two problems... initial problem was with voltmeter... it was providing erroneous readings. Once I swapped to newer voltmeter I was getting better measurements. Second problem was bad solder joint at electret mic end... it seems to be working now....

Thank you for your assistance.

Tom NU9R


Re: No mic audio

 

PROBLEM SOLVED!

Well, actually two problems... initial problem was with voltmeter...? it was providing erroneous readings.? Once I swapped to newer voltmeter I was getting better measurements.? ?Second problem was bad solder joint at electret mic end...? ?it seems to be working now....

Thank you for your assistance.

Tom NU9R


Re: No mic audio

 

The Q6 is fine.

Now that you have 12.5 on the R66 mic preamp side, you should also get that coltage on one side of R60
as they are connected together.

I suspect a bad solder or a cut track between R60/R66. Check again.

R66 @ 12V end is directly connected to R60 so you should get same voltage.

Raj

At 15-05-18, you wrote:
During PTT I get 1.6V on the emitter, 2.2V on the base and 11V on the collector. I'm getting supply voltage(13VDC) on one side of R66 and 12.5VDC on the side with C64.


Re: ND6T AGC implementation for uBIT-X

 

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I would also like to order an AGC and a click kit.?
Don. ?KI7TTX?


On May 14, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Nick VK4PLN <nickpullen@...> wrote:

Hi Kees, 2 of each as well please.
73 Nick VK4PLN


Re: Should we adopt the KD8CEC firmware?

 

Support? You think the uBITx is supported?

This is right off the HFSignals webside as indicates the limit of support: " This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE." And..." If you are interested or building any of the HF Signals¡¯ kits, you can join the BITX20 group by visiting /g/bitx20. That¡¯s the only support we provide. The level of collective wisdom and experience on the Forum is enough to sort out almost any technical problem or question you may have. You will also meet some really great builders on the Forum."

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of W2CTX
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 11:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Should we adopt the KD8CEC firmware?

If CEC firmware is selected to be the delivered "base" then you must think about the following two implications:

1. Is Ian willing to support the "base" in the future w.r.t. uBITX production hardware changes?
As well as answering all the "newbie" questions about all the options everyone is eluding to?

2. If Ian does not support the "base", then customers will be confused by having CEC as "base" and IAN still supplying CEC firmware that is different.

rOn

On May 14, 2018 at 11:09 PM K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:


Tim... I think that's where we are today...with the base level, bare bones code shipped from the factory. An increasing number of people are gravitating to the CEC firmware and that gives you an idea of what is desirable in a base-level firmware for the radio. If you really want data on this issue, Arv can set up a poll...and we can vote to see which firmware is being used.


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PJ2/K9HZ

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim
Gorman
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Should we adopt the KD8CEC firmware?

Think of it this way.

I want to add a Tune item to the menu. The item will send a CW signal and monitor an i2c peripheral for reverse power indication while the CW key is held down.

Do I duplicate the CW transmit functionality in my code in case someone wants to use my code to add the Tune functionality to their program? If I don't do that then it won't work for someone who doesn't operate CW and has deleted the CW function from the software. And the code gets bloated from two different menu items duplicating the same functionality for those that do operate CW.

Or do I wind up having to maintain two versions, one for software that has CW functionality and one for software that doesn't?

It's my opinion that we *need* a base load with a set of common functionality that experimenters can build on. The current software that Ashar provides seems to fit that bill.

If someone wants to load other software then it is up to them to manage all the complexity.

tim ab0wr



On Mon, 14 May 2018 16:38:39 +0000 (UTC) "Jack Purdum via Groups.Io" <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I think it could be done without too much confusion by using
preprocessor directives. That way, you don't actually mess with the
code; you only change the symbolic constants you wish to affect. For
example, if you don't use CW or CAT, then

#define CWINTERFACE false // Set this to true if you
want to use CW #define CATINTERFACE false // Set this
to true if you wish to use a CAT interface

and so on. The burden of getting everything right then falls on the
programmer, not the user. The user would, however, be responsible
for their own code additions/deletions.

As to how much space this saves will depend upon the programs
kept/deleted and what you mean by "very much program space". For
some users, 50 bytes might be enough to add something they want at
the cost of deleting some existing feature. The answer to that's
really a try-it-and-see answer.

Jack, W8TEE





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Re: Should we adopt the KD8CEC firmware?

 

I haven't looked at Ian's code yet.
But suspect it is plenty readable.
And if it's readable, there's a bunch of people here that could support it.
And I doubt Farhan would ship with it unless he was confident he understood it
and could make his own mods and fixes.

Farhan would be shipping something that is hopefully stable.
And if Ian is so inclined, he will continue adjusting the code to suit his whims.
Now I'm confused, was there somehow a problem with this??

Generally, a few hundred lines of C code is fairly easy to figure out.
Though there are exceptions:
? ?
? ??

Jerry, KE7ER


On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 09:24 pm, W2CTX wrote:
If CEC firmware is selected to be the delivered "base" then you must think about the following two implications:

1. Is Ian willing to support the "base" in the future w.r.t. uBITX production hardware changes?
As well as answering all the "newbie" questions about all the options everyone is eluding to?

2. If Ian does not support the "base", then customers will be confused by having CEC as "base" and IAN still supplying CEC firmware that is different.


Re: UBITX Assembly Wiki Page #ubitx

W7PEA
 

OK, I _think_ I improve the image a bit. I put the CAD file and the image on the site as well. Accessible from the assembly page.

W7PEA


Re: No mic audio

 

During PTT I get 1.6V on the emitter, 2.2V on the base and 11V on the collector.? I'm getting supply voltage(13VDC) on one side of R66 and 12.5VDC on the side with C64.


Re: No mic audio

 

On TX there should be large voltage on both side of R66 if not then maybe a relay fault or faulty Q6.
Check all the voltages around Q6.

Raj

At 15-05-18, you wrote:
Yes... the microphone case is ground... blue wire is going to ground and continuity checks good to ground everywhere as best I can tell. Even the metal part of the microphone shows dead short to ground. The purple lead is going to the mic side.

I measure 31 mV on both sides of R60. I get 3 mV on one side of C60 and 31 mV on the other side of C60. The side closest to the connector is 31 mV. Having the mic plugged or not makes no difference. I've measured R60 in the circuit (I know... not always reliable)... it measures 4.68 K Ohms.

There are two mods I've made but shouldn't have any effect. I've installed a DPDT switch for 12VDC input. And, I've installed 40mm fan on the back to keep the heat sync cool. Should have no impact on mic audio at all.

Earlier I was getting 3 mV at the mic element. Suspect bad meter... so, I put a different meter and I'm getting 30 mV. Just for grins I checked the other pins on the mic... I'm getting 5VDC to the ring (PTT). I also checked for AC just in case... no AC on any of the mic pins.


Re: Should we adopt the KD8CEC firmware?

 

If CEC firmware is selected to be the delivered "base" then you must think about the following two implications:

1. Is Ian willing to support the "base" in the future w.r.t. uBITX production hardware changes?
As well as answering all the "newbie" questions about all the options everyone is eluding to?

2. If Ian does not support the "base", then customers will be confused by having CEC as "base" and IAN still supplying CEC firmware that is different.

rOn

On May 14, 2018 at 11:09 PM K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:


Tim... I think that's where we are today...with the base level, bare bones code shipped from the factory. An increasing number of people are gravitating to the CEC firmware and that gives you an idea of what is desirable in a base-level firmware for the radio. If you really want data on this issue, Arv can set up a poll...and we can vote to see which firmware is being used.


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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Gorman
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 4:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Should we adopt the KD8CEC firmware?

Think of it this way.

I want to add a Tune item to the menu. The item will send a CW signal and monitor an i2c peripheral for reverse power indication while the CW key is held down.

Do I duplicate the CW transmit functionality in my code in case someone wants to use my code to add the Tune functionality to their program? If I don't do that then it won't work for someone who doesn't operate CW and has deleted the CW function from the software. And the code gets bloated from two different menu items duplicating the same functionality for those that do operate CW.

Or do I wind up having to maintain two versions, one for software that has CW functionality and one for software that doesn't?

It's my opinion that we *need* a base load with a set of common functionality that experimenters can build on. The current software that Ashar provides seems to fit that bill.

If someone wants to load other software then it is up to them to manage all the complexity.

tim ab0wr



On Mon, 14 May 2018 16:38:39 +0000 (UTC) "Jack Purdum via Groups.Io" <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

I think it could be done without too much confusion by using
preprocessor directives. That way, you don't actually mess with the
code; you only change the symbolic constants you wish to affect. For
example, if you don't use CW or CAT, then

#define CWINTERFACE false // Set this to true if you
want to use CW #define CATINTERFACE false // Set this
to true if you wish to use a CAT interface

and so on. The burden of getting everything right then falls on the
programmer, not the user. The user would, however, be responsible for
their own code additions/deletions.

As to how much space this saves will depend upon the programs
kept/deleted and what you mean by "very much program space". For some
users, 50 bytes might be enough to add something they want at the cost
of deleting some existing feature. The answer to that's really a
try-it-and-see answer.

Jack, W8TEE





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Re: Should we adopt the KD8CEC firmware?

 

That is partially correct.? In my keyer code I use the spare pin too.? So converting my code to work with one

pin is not as simple as changing one #define.


rOn

On May 14, 2018 at 11:13 PM John <vk2eta@...> wrote:

Hello Tim,

The keyer input is also defined so your program only need make reference to the defined label (ANALOG_KEYER here), not the hardware pin per say:

From the code:
#define ANALOG_KEYER? ? (A3)

73, John (VK2ETA)


Re: No mic audio

 

Yes... the microphone case is ground...? blue wire is going to ground and continuity checks good to ground everywhere as best I can tell.? Even the metal part of the microphone shows dead short to ground.? The purple lead is going to the mic side.

I measure 31 mV on both sides of R60.? I get 3 mV on one side of C60 and 31 mV on the other side of C60.? The side closest to the connector is 31 mV.? Having the mic plugged or not makes no difference.? I've measured R60 in the circuit (I know... not always reliable)... it measures 4.68 K Ohms.

There are two mods I've made but shouldn't have any effect.? I've installed a DPDT switch for 12VDC input.? And, I've installed 40mm fan on the back to keep the heat sync cool.? Should have no impact on mic audio at all.

Earlier I was getting 3 mV at the mic element.? Suspect bad meter... so, I put a different meter and I'm getting 30 mV.? Just for grins I checked the other pins on the mic... I'm getting 5VDC to the ring (PTT).? I also checked for AC just in case... no AC on any of the mic pins.


Re: uBitX in its new home

W7PEA
 

I love the red, can you send code faster with the red case? ;-)

W7PEA


Re: Should we adopt the KD8CEC firmware?

 

Tim


?? When I write software I don't have reuse as part of my mindset.? I try to make something work that is

broken or develop something new that does not exist.? Once it is tested it is given to the community to

use.


?So if I don't care if others use my code how does that advance the radio?? Well one case comes to mind in that

my keyer code had iambic A/B working correctly.? After I published the firmware I believe Ian looked at it.? Now

he could not cut-n-paste my code into his firmware because he used different timing and different hardware pins.

As he stated in his description of his keyer routine, he looked at my logic and? adapted my code into his.

And as all good programmers do gave me acknowledgement in his header of his keyer module.


So you don't have to create code that can be cut-n-paste to be useful.


rOn

On May 14, 2018 at 10:32 PM Tim Gorman wrote:


John,

If I am writing a function that others might want to use, how do I know
which analog input to look at for a trigger by the CW key?

Does my function need to look at both A3 and A6 just in case? Or do I
use one or the other and let the user worry about fiddling with my code
to make it work?

It's important to have a *standard* to write to.

tim ab0wr



On Mon, 14 May 2018 13:54:44 -0700
"John" wrote:
I disagree that the original software is a good starting point for
building on as its tuning and keying section need work.

I think the uBitx should be shipped with a software that best
promotes it's capabilities. That way the user can enjoy it fully
without having to go through an upgrade process that he may not be
willing to go through.

Making room for later software changes is easy if, as said above, the
software is segmented and shows the "memory cost" of each option.

As an example below is the start of the my ubitx_20.ino file, based
on Ian's 1.061 version.

It is easy to make room by commenting out options to insert one's own
code if desired, or simply enable "extra features".
//================== Compile options for adding/removing features and
saving memory =====================
//When there are no hardware modifications (i.e. wired as per the
HfSignals web-site) // If UNdefined, or commented OUT, assumes that
the CW key is connected to the PTT input (A3) to free-up A6 for //
the handsfree option here. (note that A6 could also be used for SWR
or supply voltage monitoring). No memory impact.


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Re: No mic audio

 

Check the mic polarity. One of the leads behind the capsule is connected to the body and that is ground

Check if there is 12v is on the mic transistor stage when you press ptt.

Raj

At 15-05-18, you wrote:

So, I double checked all my wiring and everything on the ubitx is correct. Orange wire from digital connector to center / ring on mic jack. Blue from audio connector to ground. And the purple wire from audio connector was to the tip of the mic jack. I tried the home brew electret mic that came with the kit and also a Comet electret mic. Still no mic audio output during transmit.


Re: UBITX Assembly Wiki Page #ubitx

W7PEA
 

Hey Max... care to add some comments to describe this circuit for newer folks.
Do so here...?
/g/BITX20/wiki/uBITX-Reverse-Polarity-Protection


Re: ND6T AGC implementation for uBIT-X

 

Hi Kees, 2 of each as well please.
73 Nick VK4PLN


Re: ND6T AGC implementation for uBIT-X

John KC9H
 

Hi, I would like to order one AGC and one Click kit.
John kc9h.


Re: Should we adopt the KD8CEC firmware?

 

+1 about the poll, HFsignals need to know what their customers are really doing.

73, John (VK2ETA)


Re: adding to base load software

 

Ron,

If I want to add a "Tune" menu item which puts the rig into CW transmit
upon key closure and also measures a voltage indicating the amount of
reverse power just how do I set that menu item up so that others can
use it?

If you have a KD8CEC load where the user has dropped the CW
functionality, how do I get the ubitx into CW mode in order to adjust
the tuner for lowest reverse power?

With the base load from Ashar I have a fixed base to code to. I don't
have to worry about making the code fit all possible options in a
modifiable base software.

Even the menu coding is different between the Ashar base software and
the CEC software. If I code to the current Ashar base and someone tries
to use the code in the CEC software it won't work and what happens
then? Do I get a complaint that my software doesn't work?

It's my opinion that you can't have two different base loads. You can
have one base load and everything else is an option to that. If your
base load is infinitely variable then it isn't really a base load at
all.

Look at John's (vk2eta) message. Most of what he has listed are options
which add to a base functionality. One which isn't is the option to
change what pin is used for the CW key. That creates a problem for
someone writing software dependent on the CW key. It is a change to the
base functionality.

There is nothing wrong with the basic functions of Ashar's current
software. Some of the functions don't work well but that can be fixed.
The fixes become part of the base software. Everyone, both the
appliance operator and the experimenter (and everyone in between), gets
the same base load and when they come on here and ask questions about
how the rig is working (or not working) then everyone is working from
the same base in trying to help with troubleshooting. You don't need a
complete listing of their defines in order to tell what options they
might have or not have.

Maybe I'm too much of a KISS kind of guy. But I've already had enough
problems with my first ubitx that I was glad I had a standard setup
others could easily understand to give me troubleshooting tips.

tim ab0wr



On Mon, 14 May 2018 15:43:22 -0700
"Rod Davis" <km6sn@...> wrote:

Tim, I am a little confused by your post titled Re: [BITX20] Should
we adopt the KD8CEC firmware? You mention a feature you may want to
implement. To me, whether the 'base load' is hfsignals firmware, or
KD8CEC firmware, the problem seems to be the same. You can add or
delete features to/from either firmware. I quote your email: It's my
opinion that we *need* a base load with a set of common functionality
that experimenters can build on. The current software that Ashar
provides seems to fit that bill. If someone wants to load other
software then it is up to them to manage all the complexity. --end
quote-- In your example, especially the second paragraph quoted
above, it seems to me that either 'base load' would suffice. Am I
missing something? Rod KM6SN