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Probing the Bitx40 transmit chain
I probed a Bitx40 during transmit using a Rigol DS1052 and a 10x probe. ?Probe has a 6" wire to an alligator clip for grounding. ?The loop formed by that ground wire and the probe body is enough to pick up around 20mv of random noise when probing a busy board like this. ?Good enough for casual probing, but you get a much cleaner scope trace when shorting the ground ring at the probe tip to a ground very near the signal you are probing. ?Maybe build a special cover for the probe tip with two spring loaded wires or pins sticking out that allows you to easily probe across a 1206 resistor or cap, where one side of that 1206 is at AC or DC ground. ?I made my measurements quickly, using AC coupling and the convenient 6" ground lead on the probe.? I got tired of saying AHHHHHHH after about 30 seconds, so spent the following 30 seconds adding a line to the Arduino sketch (anywhere) in the setup() function: ? ? tone(A0, 750); The Raduino is then emitting a 5v square wave at 750hz on the A0 pin. ?(I prefer listening to 750 hz all day over 1khz.) ?That's the black wire on one end of the 8 pin connector, the other end of that same connector has 3 wires over to the tuning pot. ?I ran the black wire to a 1k resistor and a 20 ohm resistor in series to ground. ?From the top of the 20 ohm resistor to ground (the bottom of the 20 ohm resistor is ground) I now have a 100mv 750hz square wave, which I ran into the microphone input. ?Gives me a consistent signal to measure and make comparisons. ?(That square wave is nowhere clean enough to put CW on the air.) ? Pot R136 is set to mid-range. ?Bias voltage into the IRF510 is set to 100ma as described in the WireUp instructions on HFSigs (though bias is not critical critical, anything within 20ma is fine). ?Most of the probing can be done with the PA 12v disconnected from the rig except when probing around the IRF510. Haven't yet tried it, but here's an RF probe that those without a scope could use to make similar measurements: ? ?? The cap at the probe tip blocks any DC component of the signal present, so the resistance of the meter will tend to pull any AC component down until it is centered on ground. ?Once that AC waveform is pulled down to where the bottom tips are going below ground, the diode conducts and keeps the AC waveform from going any lower. ?So the top of the diode has an AC waveform sitting between zero volts and whatever the top of that AC waveform is. ?The resistor and cap to ground form a low pass filter so the meter sees an average voltage for that AC waveform. ?The 4.7meg resistor and the 10meg internal resistance of the meter form a resistive divider to divide that average voltage by 1.414, giving a direct reading RMS voltage (assumes we're looking at a sine wave) instead of a peak voltage. ?I'd like to reduce the 4.7meg resistor to less than 1meg (200k?) so this gives consistent peak (not rms) readings with meters having anything between 1meg and 10meg of internal resistance. ?But at 200k there will be several microamps through the diode, and as current goes up the diode becomes less sensitive to small voltages. ?Perhaps use an inductor instead of the 4.7meg resistor? ?Perhaps we all use a Raduino ADC pin as a voltmeter (can be our battery monitor otherwise) so we have a consistent internal resistance on the meter? ?Add a 2n3904 amp for use when looking at low level signals? ?A 1n34 or 1n60 diode is roughly linear down to 200mv, good for repeatable (but not linear) readings down to just a few mv if the diode current is kept low, a shottky is not quite so sensitive but much easier to obtain and less sensitive to temperature. ?The probe on the N5ESE webpage is similar except that it assumes the capacitance inside the meter is part of the low pass filter, which most people writing up RF probe descriptions seem to not be aware of. ? With all that said, here's my rough and quick AC coupled scope measurements using the 10x probe. ?R136 is set half way, power supply at 12.0v, 50 ohm dummy load. ?Unplug PA 12v except when measuring right at the IRF510 to avoid heating it up. ?My rig can give about 5W to the antenna, not much more. ?That diode RF probe is reading pk voltages, not pk-pk, so will see roughly half these values, even less if the internal meter resistance brings it down to an rms value. Generate 700hz 5v square wave from A0 on Raduino with this in setup(): "tone(A0, 750);" mic: 5v*20/1020 = 100mv pk-pk at 700hz (Drive 5v square wave into 1k + 20 ohms to ground) c107 200mv pk-pk square, but linearly droops 80mv toward center each half cycle c63 150mv pk-pk, mostly near ground with 200us long periods of overshoot/undershoot c61 350mv pk-pk, very choppy, mostly 12mhz c53 150mv pk-pk, 12mhz sine wave c51 400mv pk-pk, 12mhz, choppy due to loading from mixer c43 350mv pk-pk, choppy 7mhz c41 800mv pk-pk, 7mhz sine wave c132 400mv pk-pk, 7mhz from here on out c141 1v pk-pk (R136 at halfway position) c152 5v pk-pk (down to a dirty looking 4v pk-pk when 12v to PA turned on due to miller effect) into LPF 50v pk-pk from LPF 40v pk-pk Q10 emitter of BFO 4v pk-pk Q11 base of BFO 300mv pk-pk Q11 emitter of BFO 800mv pk-pk The problem I was looking for appears to have been an intermittent solder short under C107. Saw zero ohms to ground at C107, and far side of diodes was nowhere near zero ohms. Assumed a short between windings on T4 and was about to pull it off and rewind it. But found that heating up C107 with a soldering iron cleared the problem. So removed C107, cleaned the pads, and put it back in place. Jerry, KE7ER |
HELP kinda concerned
Ordered my bitx40 and waiting for it to ship to the US. I've been reading the forum here and I'm getting kinda concerned if my rig will work OK out of the box. Did I just buy a possible big a boo? Kinda difficult to tell if the issues folks are having are from the get go or after some experimentation. Really excited to get this rig, but don't want to have to fiddle too much to just get it working. Thoughts? 73 Tim KM4WII |
Re: No uploads - support replied
Hans & Ashar:
The rig I'm working on was a gift from my XYL, but I can surely afford a few dollars to preserve the group. Please let us know how we can help. I will be happy to pay to continue to receive this kind of support, learn some fun new stuff, and maybe make a few new friends. Thanks very much, Craig w9ctw " . . . Hans and Ashar have been rather quiet on this subject . . . when they have worked out . . . we will hear about those options at that time." |
Re: Current limit for PA
Very informative On Feb 26, 2017 8:49 AM, <ajp166@...> wrote:
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Re: L1 Question and Low output power
L1 is part of the 7mhz bandpass filter, used during both transmit and receive, though trouble here will be more noticeable during transmit. ? L1 has the same number of turns as L2, L3. ?Reuse the old core if it is not broken. ?L4 is totally different, meant to be used in the 12mhz analog VFO if you don't want to use the Raduino.? On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 06:09 am, Jason N3YUG wrote:
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L1 Question and Low output power
Jason N3YUG
My BITX40V3 was putting out between 7-10 watts at 13.8V input power.? Everything was working fine, and I took my kit to my radio club meeting to show others last week.? Yesterday I turned it on for the first time since then, and had no power output.? I looked at L1 which had a broken lead on arrival when I got the board.? It had broke loose again.? The kit came with a spare toroid, I removed the old L1, and installed the spare one in the kit.? I know get 2 watts output at 13.8V.? How many wraps is L1 supposed to have, and could this be my issue, or is there something else going wrong.? I looked in the files section, for the document that used to be in there with several mods and troubleshooting tips, but can't find it anymore.? Any help? Jason N3YUG |
Re: Project box
Buck
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWas it cheaper/better on amazon? ?How is the size? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Dennis Zabawa <kg4rul@...> Date: 2/27/17 21:11 (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BITX20] Project box I have one of those, bought through Amazon, that I am working with. ?I had custom front and back panels made by . ?They have a free, downloadable design program that is easy to use and their prices and delivery are great. ?I will post pix of the completed unit at a later time. Dennis KG4RUL |
Re: Bitx40 from Chile
Miguel,
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Thats a bit high for Rx mode. Swtich on for a few minutes and check the board for warm/hot components to get the next trouble shooting clue! At 0.98 thats almost 12 watts of heat, you will find it easily! 73, Raj vu2zap. At 28-02-2017, you wrote:
Hi, i am from Chile CE3MSB, receive past week my Bitx40, yesterday assemble the kit, and start with RX some, but i see that the RX current drawn its 0.98 Amps, i consider that too high, its usual?,what are the current drawn in RX and TX? and the max and min Voltaje to use? |
Re: No uploads - support replied
Graham
DropBox, Google Drive, Sync.com are work very well but they too have
their "free" limits. They are all a little different but they do limit to one degree or another volume, uploads, downloads (etc) to or from and have a cap for their "free" services. Once you reach that cap you will have to wait a while in order to access again. I have even heard about real abusers having their "free" accounts terminated but that seems to rare. A group this size could hit that "cap" pretty quickly. There is no free ride. A service such as this is either supported through the sale of advertising or some other mechanism to "pay it's way". Hans and Ashar have been rather quiet on this subject. I will take that as to mean that they are working on it will when they have worked out several ways forward then we will hear about those options at that time. cheers, Graham ve3gtc On 2/28/2017, "John Smith via Groups.Io" <johnlinux77@...> wrote: I made that suggestion, and asked you think about how to make it work before shooting it down. And I am glad you did! |
Re: Project box
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDennis,Thanks for reminding us of Front Panel Express. ? I had seen their ads but ignored them as too costly for my budget. ?Now I see that price depends on many variables, but what's really cool is their layout software's quick price check. ? I'm on my second attempt to drill, nibble, and file a front panel for an HFSigs BitX enclosure and will finish it if only because I've sunk so much - contented, actually- time into it. ?Maybe I'll give Front Panel Express a try for the next box. ? Happy tinkering to you. ? Regards, Craig w9ctw |
Bitx40 from Chile
Hi, i am from Chile CE3MSB, receive past week my Bitx40, yesterday assemble the kit, and start with RX some, but i see that the RX current drawn its 0.98 Amps, i consider that too high, its usual?,what are the current drawn in RX and TX? and the max and min Voltaje to use? 73?s Miguel Villamor CE3MSB Chile |
Re: New file uploaded to [email protected]
Jack Purdum
My bad...I read the emails out of order. Jack, W8TEE From: Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <econjack@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [BITX20] New file uploaded to [email protected] Where is the schematic for Ion's speech processor? Jack, W8TEE From: "[email protected] Notification" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 8:06 AM Subject: [BITX20] New file uploaded to [email protected] Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected]
group.
File: SpeachProc_V1_TopCopper.pdf
Uploaded By:
Ion Petroianu
Description:
You can access this file at the URL:
/g/BITX20/files/VA3NOI/Speech%20Processor/SpeachProc_V1_TopCopper.pdf Cheers,
The Groups.io Team |
Re: New file uploaded to [email protected]
Jack Purdum
Where is the schematic for Ion's speech processor? Jack, W8TEE From: "[email protected] Notification" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 8:06 AM Subject: [BITX20] New file uploaded to [email protected] Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected]
group.
File: SpeachProc_V1_TopCopper.pdf
Uploaded By:
Ion Petroianu
Description:
You can access this file at the URL:
/g/BITX20/files/VA3NOI/Speech%20Processor/SpeachProc_V1_TopCopper.pdf Cheers,
The Groups.io Team |
Re: No uploads - support replied
Jack Purdum
All: I'm not a big believer in a free lunch. There are two theories of taxation: 1) Ability to Pay, and 2) Benefits Received. The first is the basis for our Federal income taxes. The second is basis for something like the gasoline taxes. In this case, membership to the group requires paying a small fee (i.e., the tax) to secure the benefits of membership. I find it hard to believe that there is anyone buying ham radio equipment who can't afford $1, so I think AtP is covered. I think it's obvious that being a member has benefits to the member otherwise they wouldn't waste their time on the site, so BR is also covered. A membership fee is more difficult to manage, but not that much so. I know the mechanism Yahoo used for a restricted membership site because I use it for my own user group (e.g., SoftwareControlledHamRadio). Stating on the introduction page that membership requires an annual $1 fee isn't going to dissuade too many members...perhaps a few tire kickers, but not many. I have no problem with Admin taking a fee for managing the site. I think every member should pay the fee. It not only solves the storage issues, it will help limit the membership to those who are actually interested in the BITX40. Jack, W8TEE From: Todd K7TFC <k7tfc@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [BITX20] No uploads - support replied On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 07:37 am, Jerry KE7ER wrote:
An apt model for funding something like this would be PBS and NPR (American public-broadcasting organizations). The content is there for anyone who accesses it. There will be people who contribute and those who don't. Will there be "free riders"? Yes, there always are, but that is beside the point. On the Internet--YouTube in particular--services such as Patreon provide a way to pay at least some of the costs of producing web content. A percentage of the individuals who like the content contribute whatever they want, and that's enough. In our case, this year we need $120USD. If 4% of those subscribed to this group contributed $1, the problem would be solved. We wouldn't have to wring our hands in despair because we can't decide if we want files, photos, or attachments, in the mistaken belief we can't have them all. 73, Todd |