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Re: sBitx antenna-first warning


 

Interesting discussion.
Just a few very quick thoughts
I think that you have to consider the average of the input power to consider the input impedance of the power device as the instantaneous power varies widely under SSB conditions according to the voice characteristics, as indicated by Farhan in the examples he?gives of varying input power.
Otherwise, one can say that the low pass filter will not work correctly
Furthermore, I think that it is not the case that the SWR varies according to the power, but that since you have more power output, the reflected power will be greater?with a greater indication?on the SWR meter.
If the LPF is designed for 50 ohms at its output end the?SWR is not going to change with power as can be seen if the TX is terminated into a suitable dummy load, but will only change with the reactance of the antenna / feeder which does not change with power.
The pi network in the old valve tx's is not a good example?because it was a matching network to tune the tx and match it to the antenna.??
What you were doing was matching the tx to the antenna impedance, whatever that was, which did not change according to the power, but what was changing was the pi network impedance transformation between the antenna and the PA according to the PA input power.

Just a few quick thoughts for your consideration
Regards?
Lawrence

On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 5:59 PM Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox@...> wrote:
I guess the best way out is to use a robust transistor pair like the RD16HHF1 which can withstand infinite SWR, match the antenna regardless of the impedance at either end with an inline swr meter.
Remember the ol' 807 transmitters with a Pi network? You just did a dip and load until you came up to the full power.
The design question is, should we go for more expensive and difficult to get RF transistors or just use inexpensive IRF series and keep many spares?
- f

On Wed, Aug 3, 2022, 8:33 PM Jerry Gaffke via <jgaffke=[email protected]> wrote:
Not sure which statement that would be.
I've been making lots of them.

A resistive SWR meter assumes that the transmitter wants to see a 50 ohm resistive load,
but the transmitter will not necessarily work best at exactly 50 ohms.
For example, assume we are operating at 30mhz and there is a long trace to the antenna connector.
The antenna system would want to have a little bit of capactive reactance to counter the inductance of that trace.

Not much point to worry about such minor issues.
We just need a reasonably good match between transmitter and the antenna system,
doesn't have to be perfect.? You could spend a career trying to understand everything
that could go slightly wrong here, many people do.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 07:45 AM, Evan Hand wrote:
Jerry,

A resistive bridge SWR meter should not work if this statement is true.

Am I missing something here?
73
Evan
AC9TU

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