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Re: Follow-up Antuino question


 

There are lots of variants to doing a Huff and Puff.
EMRFD shows a very basic example on pages 4.5 and 4.7.
In this design, the frequency is constantly bouncing somewhere
between two frequencies that are 40hz apart.?

If the VFO is stable enough, one could slow down the loop filter between
the Huff and Puff detector and the varactor diode in the VFO, such that it
takes a minute or two (instead of under a second) before a change in
VFO frequency causes a significant change to the varactor correction voltage.
This would make the output frequency much more stable, but would take some time
to settle in after you manually tune the VFO.

The advantage of Huff and Puff is that you can make the VFO lock to
discrete steps without having to reprogram the dividers with each frequency change
as you would on a standard PLL.? Where a standard PLL will lock only to one specific?
frequency, a Huff and Puff might lock to any frequency that is an even multiple?
of 100 Hz. I doubt you could borrow a phase-frequency-detector directly
from a PLL design and have it work in a Huff and Puff.

Tom would almost certainly be better off with a standard PLL design
for his GPS stabilized crystal reference oscillator.

Huff and Puff isn't used a lot these days.? If you have a microcontroller in
the rig (such as the Nano on the Raduino), it's fairly easy to program the dividers
on a PLL device.? This will generally give a more stable output.? A PLL can allow
more resolution (much smaller steps) when choosing the output frequency.

Take the above with a large grain of salt.
I am no expert on either Huff and Puff or PLL's.

Jerry, KE7ER


On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 08:33 PM, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
It's been lots of years since I have looked at huff-and-puff oscillator stabilization.
What I wrote in that last post is incorrect, there's more going on here.

Jerry, KE7ER


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On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 06:08 PM, Jerry Gaffke wrote:

This may be an alternate way of looking at what you are proposing.


I suspect you are describing a phase-locked-loop.
And that yes, you have tried it.
There's a phase-frequency-detector inside the Si5351.

The VCO in the Si5351 can be pulled anywhere between 600 and 900 mhz
(and quite a bit beyond, actually).
But if instead of that VCO we have a VFO that is first manually tuned very near the
target frequency, the error detection will have far less work to do.?
And the output will have far less jitter.

Jerry, KE7ER

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