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Re: For you designer builders...
Ah noise,
For my prototype, the first thing to do is to - somehow - quiet down that display. It makes a grinding noise; chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka. Sometimes, I can even hear it alongside the band noise. I thought 40M was just noisy, but then I switched to my boat anchor - and no chunka-chunka. I got a little jar of carbon paint in the mail yesterday. Two-inch copper tape arrived the day before. I'll be experimenting later. Right now, I'm buried in CAT software. - Jerry, KF6VB |
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Re: For you designer builders...
开云体育ARG!!!? LT3042 and LT3045… ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of K9HZ
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 11:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AmateurRadioBuilders] For you designer builders... ? I attended an online seminar/ instruction/ discussions today (with a friend of mine) regarding power supply devices and I learned a lot.? First off 7805 voltage regulators are very noisy… in fact generate 40nV of noise at best.? That noise gets into the A/D and D/A so with a 24 bit A/D with resolution of 298 nV (on 5V… its worse on 3V being 179nv)m that 40nV gives you a much higher noise floor and less dynamic range.? Buck/boost regulators are far worse.? There are ultra-low noise regulators that should be used with projects that use high resolution A/D and D/A converters in radios… like the LT3042 and LT3042 that are about 80db below a linear regular in noise generation.?? They are about 10x more expensive than the 7805 series regulators, but are critical to low noise floors. ? As a result, when I get time (and that may be years from now)… I’ll make some measurements on the T41 hardware for absolute noise floor and then sub in these low noise regulators and see what I measure. [nb. my thought would be to make small vertical boards with these low noise regulators on them… which are flat packs… to simply replace the 7805 type regulator with heatsink]. ? Lots to do. ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ? |
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For you designer builders...
开云体育I attended an online seminar/ instruction/ discussions today (with a friend of mine) regarding power supply devices and I learned a lot.? First off 7805 voltage regulators are very noisy… in fact generate 40nV of noise at best.? That noise gets into the A/D and D/A so with a 24 bit A/D with resolution of 298 nV (on 5V… its worse on 3V being 179nv)m that 40nV gives you a much higher noise floor and less dynamic range.? Buck/boost regulators are far worse.? There are ultra-low noise regulators that should be used with projects that use high resolution A/D and D/A converters in radios… like the LT3042 and LT3042 that are about 80db below a linear regular in noise generation.?? They are about 10x more expensive than the 7805 series regulators, but are critical to low noise floors. ? As a result, when I get time (and that may be years from now)… I’ll make some measurements on the T41 hardware for absolute noise floor and then sub in these low noise regulators and see what I measure. [nb. my thought would be to make small vertical boards with these low noise regulators on them… which are flat packs… to simply replace the 7805 type regulator with heatsink]. ? Lots to do. ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ? |
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Right-Left Rule Examples:
I presented the Right-Left Rule in the C Programming Guide book (1982) and there have been lots of examples written since then. This is a list of example you might use to test your understanding of the Rule, including some illegal data definitions:
-- Jack, W8TEE |
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Re: Comparison of the K4 to the T41 on frequency stability
The TCXO-equipped T41 may have its faults, but stability or accuracy is
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not one of them. - Jerry On 2025-02-11 17:25, K9HZ wrote: HAVE A LOOK AT THESE TWO NOTES. AN EASY COMPARISON OF THE K4 AT $7K |
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Re: Display Board evaluation help
Bill,
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If you don't get any body else, I do have a spare display I can run at 3.3v and just change my main board J8 jumper to run the display at 3.3v.? Not a problem for me,
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I thought that 90 degree IDC connectors on the front, back, and top edges would make the cable paths easier but I don't know what it does to board real-estate.
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Hank - wz3hmt |
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Comparison of the K4 to the T41 on frequency stability
开云体育Have a look at these two notes.? An easy comparison of the K4 at $7K vs the T41… not completely 1:1 but close enough…. ? From Al……………………………………………………………………. I just tried my rig with the Ver53.12 I sent you for frequency accuracy. I am using the TXCO and waited about 30 minutes to let everything warm up.
I would suggest you check the calibration of your T41 with WWV, if you can, using the SAM AM detection mode. ? And this for the K4 from Jim 狈8翱蚕………………………………………………. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of James DeYoung - N8OQ via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 6:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] K4 On FMT ? This afternoon while it snowed I did 2 minute sampling of each of the Bodnar GPSDO carrier located at 7.05000 MHz, CHU 7.850000 and CHU 3.330000 MHz. ? The K4 frequency on the display was positioned to put the each carrier at +2 KHz near the middle of the receive passband.? WSJT-X FreqCal was used to make the measurements for two minutes sampling (Measured - K4 Tuned display) to the nearest 0.001 Hz.? The summary stats follow. ? ? The spec for the K4 is 0.1 PPM using just the internal TCXO.? So all three of these checks show better than the spec.? There are still small state changes in the data but within the K4 spec. My K4 was actively using the 10-MHz input, Menu: Ext Ref. Lock.? ?Somewhere I read, but couldn't find the note today, was that a 10-MHz external input was not expected to bring huge improvements in frequency accuracy/stabiliity over the internal TCXO. ? Jim (N8OQ) |
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Re: No Audio V12 troubleshooting
When I first built my Main Board, there was no audio. Bad solder
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joint(s). I put the board under a microscope and teased the pins of the DAC chip with an Xacto knife. If they moved, they weren't soldered. I also had a few Teensy pins that weren't soldered. - Jerry, KF6VB On 2025-02-11 14:40, Tim via groups.io wrote:
I looked at pin 24 on Tweensy, Daudio-Out that goes to U5 audio |
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No Audio V12 troubleshooting
I looked at pin 24 on Tweensy, Daudio-Out that goes to U5 audio processor.
There is a signal there but it does not look any thing like a digital signal, I do see an occasional spike that coinsides with pulse I hear in headphones.
Anyone ever looked at the D-Audio output from Tweensy with a scope to see what it looks like?
Tim W4YN
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Re: K9HZ PA
开云体育Hi Wade… the Assembly manual covers all of these topics…?? IF you need help with the input attenuator, just ask for the specific example (formulas are in the manual)… ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Wayde VA3NCA/AD2GX via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 11:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] K9HZ PA ? Hi Dr Schmidt, and everyone here! ? I'm finally getting to start the build of your 20W PA semi-kit. I will eventually use it with my T41 build as I get there, but would like to experiment a little with it as a standalone amp in the meantime. ? Does anyone have a generic block diagram on how this would integrate into an arbitrary other radio? I assume the following needs consideration:? rf-in power matching ( via the input power pad on board)? , rf-out lpf , ptt voltage interface conversion (if necessary), and TR switching? Anything else that would need to be handled? ? If a specific other qrp radio integration has been documented someplace, I'd be interested in reviewing that too! ? Thanks! and 73, Wayde VA3NCA/AD2GX? |
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Re: K9HZ PA
Hi Dr Schmidt, and everyone here!
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I'm finally getting to start the build of your 20W PA semi-kit. I will eventually use it with my T41 build as I get there, but would like to experiment a little with it as a standalone amp in the meantime.
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Does anyone have a generic block diagram on how this would integrate into an arbitrary other radio? I assume the following needs consideration:? rf-in power matching ( via the input power pad on board)? , rf-out lpf , ptt voltage interface conversion (if necessary), and TR switching? Anything else that would need to be handled?
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If a specific other qrp radio integration has been documented someplace, I'd be interested in reviewing that too!
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Thanks! and 73, Wayde VA3NCA/AD2GX? |
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Re: Easy metal production facilities
开云体育Huh… I’m gonna have to check this out… ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Doug W via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 10:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] Easy metal production facilities ? On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 10:24 AM, jerry-KF6VB wrote:
? Actually it doesn't look that bad.? A while ago I cobbled together a slimmed down face plate to fit on a smaller printer bed and just uploaded it to oshcut to see what I'd get.? The powder coat set up fee adds quite a bit if you go that route but if someone really wants it and is willing to put together a group buy, by the time you get to about 10 pieces the powder coat price with setup drops to about the same as the raw or deburred single options. ? ? ? |
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Re: Easy metal production facilities
On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 10:24 AM, jerry-KF6VB wrote:
*** My guess is ...if you have to ask... ?
Actually it doesn't look that bad.? A while ago I cobbled together a slimmed down face plate to fit on a smaller printer bed and just uploaded it to oshcut to see what I'd get.? The powder coat set up fee adds quite a bit if you go that route but if someone really wants it and is willing to put together a group buy, by the time you get to about 10 pieces the powder coat price with setup drops to about the same as the raw or deburred single options.
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Re: Easy metal production facilities
开云体育Figgered that because OSH Park for PCBs is insanely expensive… ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jerry-KF6VB
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 10:24 AM To: [email protected] Cc: K9HZ <bill@...> Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] Easy metal production facilities ? On 2025-02-11 08:13, K9HZ wrote:
*** My guess is ...if you have to ask... |
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Re: Easy metal production facilities
On 2025-02-11 08:13, K9HZ wrote:
Well… this is interesting: Laser Cutting and Sheet Metal Services |*** My guess is ...if you have to ask... I was looking at OSHpark board service. For the same deal as $2 from JLCPCB, their price was $80. Except only 3 boards instead of 5. - Jerry, KF6VB |
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Easy metal production facilities
开云体育Well… this is interesting:? ? Wonder what is would cost to make a case for the T41 ? ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ? |
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Re: Display Board evaluation help
开云体育Perfect Hank, Thanks.? What voltage is your display jumper set to on the Main board? ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Hank Terwilliger via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 9:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] Display Board evaluation help ? Bill, ? I have a working V12 single transceiver.? My initial cable of 12" worked when it was on my bench but when I mounted in the encloser it quit working.? Not sure if that is long enough for a test for you, but when I build a new cable less than 5 inches the display started working. ? I would be happy to test the longer cable out with your board and give feedback.? Could also make a longer cable than required if needed to test.? Let me know. ? 73, ? Hank - WZ3HMT |
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Re: Conductive Paint
开云体育Thanks for summarizing. ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of chris corcoran via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 8:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] Conductive Paint ? Well, that’s 4 hours of my life I won’t get back. ? Rohde & Schwarz hade doing an online seminar ref EMC DEMC 2025 , obviously to sell their equipment, but normally some gems hidden. ? 3 things that come to mind from presentation: ?
I think links top the presentations will be available from the 13th from above url, don’t quote me…
? He referenced an expensive (well to me, ?80ish) ?book Henry Otts Book “Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineering” is a great resource for enclosure design ? BUT, 2009 pdf version can be found ? ? Pages 238 onwards, p270 mentions slot antennas. Also mentions meters/displays on p287, a bit extreme for us amateurs? ? ?
? ? hopefully helpful to someone….. ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of K9HZ ? I’m sure we should care about the EMI from the display too.??? Tell you what… You work on the EMR and I’ll finish getting the data line noise from propagating back into the radio… ? ? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ ? Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC Staunton, Illinois ? Owner – Operator Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: ? Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. ? email:? bill@... ? ? |