I realized I did want to clarify one last bit - I didn¡¯t recommend anything from your extensive website only because I assumed the original poster would have already read everything pertaining to that topic contained within your website and be asking for additional help/outside resources to overcome their hurdle.
Hence why I thought my memory of Sue¡¯s book could be a helpful piece for them.
Maybe they just need to read your site.
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On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Marijah via groups.io <Mijeezie@...> wrote:
?I did not read that book in order to decide NOT to do math with my kids. I read that book - along with your book, almost the entirety of your website and Joyce¡¯s and countless others, and many unschooling podcasts - as part of my journey on deciding to DO IT as well as the why and how of that. I just particularly remembered Sue¡¯s bit on the Maths topic and I felt it could be helpful to this particular original poster. Have you read Sue¡¯s book?
You asked for things that could be helpful or were helpful and I tried to offer just that.
I won¡¯t engage anymore with you in this email thread or possibly at all in the future as I feel very confused and that your further responses don¡¯t seem to be trying to clarify or respond to me at all. Perhaps you only wanted your own blog posts quoted as resources that could be helpful? Or perhaps you only wanted definitive, ¡°one and done¡± decisiveness communicated even though you clearly reiterate countless times on your website to ¡°read a little, try a little, wait.¡±
People have processes. Deciding to unschool and carrying it out is a continual process. You allude to a process of your own around unschooling chores in your book - something you had not originally done - yet seem to scold any hinting at a process for people instead of ¡°just deciding to do it.¡±
On Aug 21, 2023, at 9:34 PM, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:
?-=-- I was just trying to summarize it in a way so people could get
the gist, but definitely intended for them to go and read it
themselves.-=-
I would rather people NOT go and read a book that you had to read to
decide NOT to do math with kids.
The starting place, here, should be the intention to be a radical
unschooler, not the vague plan to muddle around in that direction for
a while.
Sandra
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 7:46?PM Marijah via groups.io
<Mijeezie@...> wrote:
Maybe I¡¯m misunderstanding you but I was saying that what Sue Elvia wrote in her book I found helpful - I was just trying to summarize it in a way so people could get the gist, but definitely intended for them to go and read it themselves. I wasn¡¯t intending for my summary to be helpful in and of itself - but sharing that I found her writing with the detailed working out of her process around it to be helpful. I apologize if I did not make it clear. And yes, I agree that the ¡°better way¡± is to not hold onto maths at all. Reading other peoples processes and regrets and working out of hurdles has been helpful for me, atleast.
And as far as the personal hurdles we have ¡°bumped up against¡± that I gave as examples (per your request that people share just that) - i agree that parents need to do the work to be whole and present in order to have the best outcome for themselves and their kids. I was writing with the assumption that that was a ¡°given¡±. Awareness is the first step from my experience and healing is definitely our goal, journey, and process. So being aware of our own hurdles and why has been monumental in starting to unravel the tangle of our unique responses and then rewind it all up neatly in a better way.
I feel pretty taken aback by your responses and I¡¯m wondering if I just completely misinterpreted your original email.
On Aug 21, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Sandra Dodd <aelflaed@...> wrote:
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On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 04:02 PM, Marijah wrote:
I feel like what Sue Elvis shared in her books (she has two but I think it was ¡°curious unschoolers¡± - the other is ¡°radical unschool love¡±) helped me some around this area. She ¡°held on¡± to ¡°some of the basics¡± for a while and then later shifted (she had 7 children I believe? So shifted as they grew) and reevaluated her choices/regretted ¡°holding on¡± to the ¡°maths¡±.
So...
That's a bad example, someone who held on to math and regretted it.
It's like saying "If you follow this fork in the path, you'll come to brambles and a cliff." So the better advice is NOT to hold on to math, or to some of the basics.
But how? That's the question. :-) Knowing that some regret it can be helpful. To anyone who benefits from stories of what people regret, here's a collection:
Sandra
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(If this doesn't look like Sandra Dodd's e-mail, it is one. "AElflaed" is my medieval-studies/SCA name.)
Marijah